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Message 29044 - Posted: 22 Sep 2004, 16:54:24 UTC

I will try this again. I hope I can provide all the info I left out of my 1st attempt.

I have 3 home computers (on has been down for weeks).
When I set up my account(s) I signed up as JimHollandJr@yahoo.com for all machines. I later changed my profile to provide a hyper link to a free fan club I run "Janette Littledove".

The problem is I have at least two seperate accounts that are both taking recent credits from all my CPU, even the one that has been down for 2 weeks.

Please look at both links to this 3rd party stat site to see if any details there help.

http://www.setisynergy.com/stats/boinc-stats.php?id=16457
http://www.setisynergy.com/stats/boinc-stats_cpdn.php?id=4819

How can I combine these ID's credits?
How can I find other (if any) ID's I have?

How I was able to do this may explain many other credit related problems.

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Message 29068 - Posted: 22 Sep 2004, 18:20:19 UTC

Sorry, but for the last ID you mentioned, you didn't have any team yet. The first ID you mentioned you are at team Art Bell, which has taken over all your credits since that time.

With the new Seti by BOINC, you can switch teams as much as you like, but you will always leave your last earned credit at the team you just left, even if there wasn't a team, while you start at zero credits with the new team.

Your own credits though will accumulate no matter what.
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Message 29097 - Posted: 22 Sep 2004, 20:02:27 UTC

You missed the point. Or did not look at the links.

3 PC's, at least 2 ID's both collecting credit for some recent credit. The 933 MHz CPU has not run in 2 weeks and it still has recent credit.

I want to add the JimHollandJr (id=4819) credits to the other (id=16457
).

Both are getting recent credit from both of my current PC's and one is getting credit from a CPU that has not run in weeks. If I reset one PC which one would I reset?

The base ID is my email that I joined with, why would it allow multiple accounts attached to the same address? This sounds like a bug in Bonic.



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Message 29102 - Posted: 22 Sep 2004, 20:18:43 UTC - in response to Message 29068.  

I logged out of my Seti/Bonic user preferences, relogged on, and had them send me another log-on number. Since I used my base email address, they should have send ALL numbers attached to that email. I only got one number so I can not modify my second ID.

I also looked at my CPU info and merged one CPU that was listed two times. We need the same function to merge two ID's.




> Sorry, but for the last ID you mentioned, you didn't have any team yet. The
> first ID you mentioned you are at team Art Bell, which has taken over all your
> credits since that time.
>
> With the new Seti by BOINC, you can switch teams as much as you like, but you
> will always leave your last earned credit at the team you just left, even if
> there wasn't a team, while you start at zero credits with the new team.
>
> Your own credits though will accumulate no matter what.
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> src="http://boinc.mundayweb.com/cpdn/stats.php?userID=2&trans=off">
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Message 29152 - Posted: 22 Sep 2004, 23:09:42 UTC

Well sorry, but you cannot. Not if you changed email addresses.
http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah/forum_thread.php?id=4619

(And I did read your links, how else was I telling that you weren't in a team in link two and were in a team in link one?)
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Message 29210 - Posted: 23 Sep 2004, 2:21:59 UTC

You should sign up exactly once and use the information from the one email for all of the computers you want to add. You can detach computers from the account(s) that you do not want to keep, and then attach them to the account you want to use.
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Message 29248 - Posted: 23 Sep 2004, 4:01:16 UTC

It looks like you have subscribed to two different projects under your account. Project id 16457 is a SETI account and project id 4819 is a climate prediction account. There is no way to combine the two.

Looking at your computer list if the computer with id's 117068 and 185478 are the same computer you can combine them.

As a further note, I have a computer that has not submitted a result in almost a month but it is still gathering some credits as the results are slowly being validated.
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Message 29253 - Posted: 23 Sep 2004, 4:13:26 UTC - in response to Message 29152.  

I did not change my email address, all use the same one.



> Well sorry, but you cannot. Not if you changed email addresses.
> http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah/forum_thread.php?id=4619
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> (And I did read your links, how else was I telling that you weren't in a team
> in link two and were in a team in link one?)
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> src="http://boinc.mundayweb.com/cpdn/stats.php?userID=2&trans=off">
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Message 29260 - Posted: 23 Sep 2004, 4:40:44 UTC - in response to Message 29248.  

Yes each computer runs 2 projects, Seti and Climate Prediction. Remember when we had no WU's to do? I am not asking to combine the different projects, just Seti credit for my 3 computers on 2 seperate user ID's (16457 & 4819)

I run Seti on each 66% of the time. But that is not the problem.

I do have 3 home computers, 185478 (dual CPU system), 179211, and 106565. THe last one is the one that has been down for 2-3 weeks.


Ok, I can see how an old PC is still getting credit.

Thanks for the attempt.


> It looks like you have subscribed to two different projects under your
> account. Project id 16457 is a SETI account and project id 4819 is a climate
> prediction account. There is no way to combine the two.
>
> Looking at your computer list if the computer with id's 117068 and 185478 are
> the same computer you can combine them.
>
> As a further note, I have a computer that has not submitted a result in almost
> a month but it is still gathering some credits as the results are slowly being
> validated.
>
>
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Message 29264 - Posted: 23 Sep 2004, 4:50:51 UTC - in response to Message 29210.  

Yes, I know I made a bo-bo. This was during a time when Bonice was down more offen than not so I was not sure if it was my setup or the project.

ALSO the directions and Bonic should have been plainer and should not allow 2 ID's for one email.

How do I know which account or PC to detach? Each CPU is giving credit to both user ID's?

Since I made this mistake, others have too. SO I am asking if we can add the feature to combine user ID's like we can now merge CPU's.




> You should sign up exactly once and use the information from the one email for
> all of the computers you want to add. You can detach computers from the
> account(s) that you do not want to keep, and then attach them to the account
> you want to use.
> <a> href="http://www.boinc.dk/index.php?page=user_statistics&project=cpdn&userid=13">
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Message 29269 - Posted: 23 Sep 2004, 4:55:13 UTC - in response to Message 29068.  

I tried and I can't access my 4819 ID account info, SO I can't chage anything there. Yes team Art Bell was my old team.

I am really not concerned with team credit, just combining my 2 user ID's.



> Sorry, but for the last ID you mentioned, you didn't have any team yet. The
> first ID you mentioned you are at team Art Bell, which has taken over all your
> credits since that time.
>
> With the new Seti by BOINC, you can switch teams as much as you like, but you
> will always leave your last earned credit at the team you just left, even if
> there wasn't a team, while you start at zero credits with the new team.
>
> Your own credits though will accumulate no matter what.
> ----------------------
> Jordâ„¢
>
> src="http://boinc.mundayweb.com/cpdn/stats.php?userID=2&trans=off">
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Message 29275 - Posted: 23 Sep 2004, 5:29:50 UTC

I only run one project on BOINC so I am pretty much shooting in the dark here but just trying to help. Here is my understanding of the BOINC superstructure.

The BOINC program allows you to participate in different distributed computing projects. You can allocate your computer's resources any way you want. Each project is it's own entity. You can sign up for as many projects as you want.

If you sign up for SETI and CPDN then you are participating in two different projects. The credits earned in CPDN have nothing to do with the SETI project, and vice versa, that is why there is no way to combine them.

If you want to access your CPDN account (4819) you would have to do it from the CPDN home page.

I wish someone who is running two projects would help out here.

I imagine that under the "project" tab in the BOINC client you have two projects listed. If you want to stop contributing to CPDN then right click on that project and select detach. You have to do this on all three computers.




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Message 29403 - Posted: 23 Sep 2004, 16:13:35 UTC

You CANNOT combine accounts! You CAN stop using BOTH accounts and sign up for one more and then use ONLY that one! I would use a different email address and everything to get the next account.
If you detach your computers you can then reattach them to one single account without having to create a third account.
You WILL lose all workunits when you dettach but it could be worth it so all computers are then crunching on the one account.
Your computer that has been idle for awhile and is still getting credit shows how long it can take for some of the credits to come thru. In some cases it can be months, depending on lots of things! Your detaching will be one of the reasons someone will be slow getting credits!

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Message 29570 - Posted: 24 Sep 2004, 4:22:54 UTC - in response to Message 29403.  

Yes uninstalling and starting from scratch was always the LAST choice. I knew that before asking. I was wondering if there was or will be a better option. I would prefer to keep 2 screwed up accounts before starting over.

I don't want to lose 8486 total credits just because I have an extra account that I should not have been able to create.

I am not using either account. I can't decide to stop one or the other since those ID's are not assigned to discrete CPU's. Each account gets some credit from all CPU's.

I also have 5 years worth of credit on Seti Classic that is suppose to be transfered sometime. I was in the top ~99.69%. SO if I start over I will loose that too.



Points.
1. I should not have been allowed 2 ID's to the same email. This should be fixd in code and new user directions.

2. Bonic code should combine (or allow the user to combine) ID's assigned to the same email. It currently allows you to combine CPU's that have the same hardware.



> You CANNOT combine accounts! You CAN stop using BOTH accounts and sign up for
> one more and then use ONLY that one! I would use a different email address and
> everything to get the next account.
> If you detach your computers you can then reattach them to one single account
> without having to create a third account.
> You WILL lose all workunits when you dettach but it could be worth it so all
> computers are then crunching on the one account.
> Your computer that has been idle for awhile and is still getting credit shows
> how long it can take for some of the credits to come thru. In some cases it
> can be months, depending on lots of things! Your detaching will be one of the
> reasons someone will be slow getting credits!
>
>
>
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Message 29574 - Posted: 24 Sep 2004, 4:31:37 UTC - in response to Message 29275.  

Yes I know the CPDN has nothing to do with my question, I did not ask about it.

4819 is a user ID, that lists 2 of my CPU's. Each has 2 projects. That ID has nothing to do with CPDN, but is a Bonic ID.

http://www.setisynergy.com/stats/boinc-stats_cpdn.php?id=4819

Sorry, this is not a 2 project question, it is about 2 Bonic ID's that could have up to 5 projects each when all come on line.




> I only run one project on BOINC so I am pretty much shooting in the dark here
> but just trying to help. Here is my understanding of the BOINC
> superstructure.
>
> The BOINC program allows you to participate in different distributed computing
> projects. You can allocate your computer's resources any way you want. Each
> project is it's own entity. You can sign up for as many projects as you want.
>
> If you sign up for SETI and CPDN then you are participating in two different
> projects. The credits earned in CPDN have nothing to do with the SETI project,
> and vice versa, that is why there is no way to combine them.
>
> If you want to access your CPDN account (4819) you would have to do it from
> the CPDN home page.
>
> I wish someone who is running two projects would help out here.
>
> I imagine that under the "project" tab in the BOINC client you have two
> projects listed. If you want to stop contributing to CPDN then right click on
> that project and select detach. You have to do this on all three computers.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Message 29815 - Posted: 24 Sep 2004, 23:20:35 UTC - in response to Message 29248.  

SORRY.

This did answer my question.

I just missed seeing that this was a stat page for 2 different projects.

I was convinced I had 2 different Bonic-Seti stat pages with 2 different user ID's.



> It looks like you have subscribed to two different projects under your
> account. Project id 16457 is a SETI account and project id 4819 is a climate
> prediction account. There is no way to combine the two.
>
> Looking at your computer list if the computer with id's 117068 and 185478 are
> the same computer you can combine them.
>
> As a further note, I have a computer that has not submitted a result in almost
> a month but it is still gathering some credits as the results are slowly being
> validated.
>
>
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Message 29817 - Posted: 24 Sep 2004, 23:23:37 UTC

I would like to say I am sorry for this mess.

I miss read 2 different stat pages, and since my CPDN wu is no where near finished I assumed I had no stats for that project and really never looked for them. So when 2 stat pages came up when I found 2 stat pages I just ASSUMED they were both Seti stat pages.



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Message 29827 - Posted: 24 Sep 2004, 23:37:11 UTC

Glad to hear it is figured out. I knew one of us was overlooking something and I wasn't sure if it was me or you. Thanks for letting us know.

Happy Crunching
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Message 29843 - Posted: 25 Sep 2004, 0:24:35 UTC

I just looked JimHollandJr up at www.boincstats.com. There is one combined stats account.
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Message 29888 - Posted: 25 Sep 2004, 4:28:32 UTC - in response to Message 29570.  

> Yes uninstalling and starting from scratch was always the LAST choice. I knew
> that before asking. I was wondering if there was or will be a better option.
> I would prefer to keep 2 screwed up accounts before starting over.
>
> I don't want to lose 8486 total credits just because I have an extra account
> that I should not have been able to create.
>
> I am not using either account. I can't decide to stop one or the other since
> those ID's are not assigned to discrete CPU's. Each account gets some credit
> from all CPU's.
>
> I also have 5 years worth of credit on Seti Classic that is suppose to be
> transfered sometime. I was in the top ~99.69%. SO if I start over I will
> loose that too.
>
>
>
> Points.
> 1. I should not have been allowed 2 ID's to the same email. This should be
> fixd in code and new user directions.
>
> 2. Bonic code should combine (or allow the user to combine) ID's assigned to
> the same email. It currently allows you to combine CPU's that have the same
> hardware.
>
You will have to take all that up with Rom Walton or another programmer.
You seem to have a point but also seem to have misplaced the first email they sent you, which is why I am guessing you asked for a second one.
I can see your point but can also see reasons why you should not be able to combine accounts. BUT since Rom Walton is the one to start your conversation with you will have to take it to him. He can usually be found in the Message Boards. You may want to start a new thread there or even take this to the suggestions for future enhancements of Boinc/Seti section.


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