Are you a woman Jeffrey?

Ouch!

Is that akin to asking someone if they are a "Herbert" or a "Mary" or an "Apple" or a "Peach"?

Or is that a date?!


You should be able to form your own judgement from the manner of words used...

Mmmmm...
Martin

---

See new freedom: Mageia Linux
Take a look for yourself: Linux Format
The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3)

Are you a woman Jeffrey?

Ouch!

Is that akin to asking someone if they are a "Herbert" or a "Mary" or an "Apple" or a "Peach"?

Or is that a date?!


You should be able to form your own judgement from the manner of words used...

Mmmmm...
Martin

Jeffrey is an enigma :D

Myself..i picture him as looking exactly like a guy i went to school with who was a convert to Islam and who tried to convert me and my friends. I learnt a lot about Islam from him..he was very interesting to talk to.

---

Reality Internet Personality

Are you a woman Jeffrey?

Ouch!

Is that akin to asking someone if they are a "Herbert" or a "Mary" or an "Apple" or a "Peach"?

Or is that a date?!


You should be able to form your own judgement from the manner of words used...

Mmmmm...
Martin

Well, Jeffrey brought it up in the first place. Up until then I had assumed he was male but he has now shaken my universe.

Funny, on the internet I have found that the usual assumption is that everyone is male 'til proven otherwise, so I don't think judgements are that easy to make from which words are used..

he has now shaken my universe.

I have a knack of shaking everyones universe... ;)

---

It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

he has now shaken my universe.

I have a knack of shaking everyone's universe... ;)

(Everyone's???)


Islam did shake the foundations of Medieval Christianity.

Islam gave us perspective, logic, a look at the world that did not include Jesus simply because Islam had preserved pre-Christian texts going back to Aristotle.


Moses (or Musa) was most likely trained as an (ancient) Egyptian cleric but he never brought forwards the discoveries of ancient Egyptian intellectuals.


If you want to see who first measured the world and suggested it was a 'globe' ('round' and not-flat) look back past the Bible and look at the ancient Egyptians. Their measurements were so amazingly precise given their tools.


I think Jeffrey is right to bring up Islam as the Bible (and more importantly the way we read it today) has been enormously affected by Islam.


If you believe the Bible you read today is the same as the bible you would have read if you lived 600+ years ago you are probably mistaken.

If you believe the Bible today is what was written by the apostles then you have lost the nature of how the Bible has developed.


In my whole life my father never mentioned there was an island just off the coast of 'Nha Trang'...

... I only just found out about this island because I was googling...

... Without google I might have never have known.



My question relative to the thread subject ("Did the bible say anything about life outside planet Earth?") is: Who cares?


Did the Bible say anything about 'cars', 'planes', 'malaria', 'TFT Screens', 'Pineapples', 'Toilet Paper', 'Telephones', blah blah blah.....

Did the Bible (or the Quran.. or any other religious book) say anything about most of the discoveries in our world....

The Bible says next to nothing regarding physical life outside of our world.


But then my Father never told me about the island outside of 'Nha Trang'...


I don't think the Bible was written in a language that was meant to speak to those from some 1800+ years ago as if they were children in hindsight.

It was simply written in the language and understanding of that time. (I doubt the authors even tried to imagine what our world would be like in 2008.)


Who cares whether God or Nature gave us the ability to search our universe.

We have the ability. Why do we need to look to the Bible for permission to be all we can be.


For me the wildest discovery might be that we are the only sentient beings in the whole universe.

... How crazy would that be?



.

We have the ability. Why do we need to look to the Bible for permission to be all we can be.

'Be all you can be' used to be a recruitment slogan of the armed forces...

I later learned that it was better stated as: 'Be all you can be, as long as you're not greater than me'...

Nowadays, I have a new interpretation of that phrase: 'You can only be what we want you to be'...

What a waste of ability... ;)

---

It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

For me the wildest discovery might be that we are the only sentient beings in the whole universe.

... How crazy would that be?

.

Given the limitations of the speed of light, we may never know - a good sized piece of the universe is unobservable, and a further good sized piece is only observable as it was billions of years ago (perhaps before life developed).

---

I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Genesis Chapter 6:
Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose. Then the LORD said, "My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years." The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

ET was here both before and after the Great Flood? How come they didn't drown, then? Also, how come men began to multiply? When did daughters stop being born to them, I wonder? Curious biology and reproductive practices in those days, I guess.

---

Other Biblical interpretations:

'Ye shall not make with me gods of silver, neither shall ye make unto you gods of gold.' Exodus, Chap 20, verse 23. [Possible meaning: You shall not work with metals, for this will lead to you becoming a technological civilization].

'For I the Lord thy God am a jealous god.' Exodus, Chap 20, vs 5. [I wish to keep technology for myself. I do not want my people to become my 'rivals' in space.]

'The Seventh Day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God. In it thou shalt not do any work.' Exodus, Chap 20, vs 10. [The Seventh Day is when humans learn to build spacecraft. You must not go into space, i.e. you will 'rest' on the Seventh Day.]

'Thou shalt not make any gods before me. Thou shalt not make unto them any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above..' Exodus, chap 20, verses 3-4. [You will not try to copy anything you see above you in the sky, i.e my spacecraft] Note: this may be why Yahweh went before the Israelites often smothered in a cloud. All they could see was a cloud going before them, an effective disguise.

'And the Lord said to Moses, "Hew these two tables of stone like unto the first, and I will write upon these tables.." Exodus, Chap 34, vs 1.

"And be ready in the morning to come up ...unto Mount Sinai and present thyself there to me in the top of the Mount." Exodus, Chap 34, vs 2.

And when it came to pass, when Moses came down from Mount Sinai...that the skin of his face shone. Exodus, Chap 34, vs 29. [Radiation from the spacecraft maybe?]

And so on.....

---

'No one can make you inferior without your consent.'
Eleanor Roosevelt.

We have the ability. Why do we need to look to the Bible for permission to be all we can be.

'Be all you can be' used to be a recruitment slogan of the armed forces...

I later learned that it was better stated as: 'Be all you can be, as long as you're not greater than me'...

Nowadays, I have a new interpretation of that phrase: 'You can only be what we want you to be'...

What a waste of ability... ;)

Jeffrey,

I never meant to say what you have re-interpreted my words to say.

I can not image the bible OR Jesus ever felt we should not try to be all that we could be.

(To do less for me would be rather dishonest.)

There is no 'waste of ability' in trying to be everything we can be. Is there?


I understand there are thousands of advertisements by the military or companies that use euphamisms and heart felt meanings to sell their objectives...

. ... but I wasn't selling anything.


Even if God created me do you think I should limit myself to a writtings on paper in a book called the 'bible'?

Perhaps I am crazy but I think God or Nature gave me so much more.



SETI is not mentioned in the Bible.

If people are going to be honest about this issue maybe they should say whether they feel SETI is a 'good' or 'bad' thing and whether it's crunchers are doing 'right' or 'wrong' by the Bible or God???

I suspect those who so promote their religious values here will not give a direct answer to this question!


Is to search for life outside of this planet an afront to God?



.

Even if God created me do you think I should limit myself to a writtings on paper in a book called the 'bible'?

No more than I think I should have to limit myself by wasting time (re)learning what I already know because some man with too much money and too few brains seems to think I need some silly plaque on my wall to prove my worth... ;)

(I think you missed the point of my post.)

---

It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

Is to search for life outside of this planet an afront to God?

Qur'an 67:3
He Who created the seven heavens one above another: No want of proportion wilt thou see
in the Creation of (Allah) Most Gracious. So turn thy vision again: seest thou any flaw?

The Scientific Paradigm Given in the Qur'an... ;)

(I know, I know... This thread is about the Bible not the Qur'an.)

---

It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

Did the holy bible say (or hint) anything about life outside planet Earth and our solar system?

Not sure about that but watched a show that says the Giants that were talked about in Genesis were actually Neanderthals. They even found the bones mixed with human bones in lots of places around Israel....Seems the Greeks made more than one mistake originally translating from Hebrew....

---

Official Abuser of Boinc Buttons...
And no good credit hound!

the Giants that were talked about in Genesis were actually Neanderthals. They even found the bones mixed with human bones in lots of places around Israel.

Neanderthal man bones mixed with human bones found in the same place?

Was Neanderthal man an 'alien being', or is the 'theory of evolution' wrong?

If what you say is true, then one thing is for sure, my bible wasn't wrong... ;)

---

It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

the Giants that were talked about in Genesis were actually Neanderthals. They even found the bones mixed with human bones in lots of places around Israel.

Neanderthal man bones mixed with human bones found in the same place?

Was Neanderthal man an 'alien being', or is the 'theory of evolution' wrong?

If what you say is true, then one thing is for sure, my bible wasn't wrong... ;)

Some interesting questions might be:

"Can the Bible cope with the idea or existance of Neanderthals?"

"Were Adam and Eve Neanderthal lovers?"

The bible says nothing about (other planetary) 'aliens', cars, aeroplanes, coffee or potatoes. (... We are not talking about spirits, devils or angels..)


How does the bible account for Neanderthal men and women?

I mean from scientific / bone / artifact evidence Neanderthals existed amongst / alongside us homosapiens for quite a long time.

They are no more alien than any other expression of life on our planet.

How does the bible account for Neanderthal people???


.

How does the bible account for Neanderthal people???

Giants... ;)

(You'll have to settle for a link because I haven't installed bible software on this OS... yet)

---

It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

How does the bible account for Neanderthal people???

Giants... ;)

...(You'll have to settle for a link because I haven't installed bible software on this OS... yet)...

You will have to settle for questions: :o)~

How tall were Neanderthals?

(As far as I am aware they were no taller or shorter than homosapiens of the same time period... Am I wrong?)

Were homosapiens really tiny people when the bible was being recorded?

There have always been plenty of tall peoples ("Giants") in the homosapien ethnic /genome populations across the world. Are we re-writing the bible to excuse it's lack of testability against the physical world.

Was the bible not just talking about a different ethnic group of humans?

What makes a giant?


.

(As far as I am aware they were no taller or shorter than homosapiens of the same time period... Am I wrong?)

Based on what I learned in school, yes... Do I know for sure, no... ;)

---

It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

(As far as I am aware they were no taller or shorter than homosapiens of the same time period... Am I wrong?)

Based on what I learned in school, yes... Do I know for sure, no... ;)

How many inches taller were Neanderthals than Homosapiens?

If I was to talk about giants they would have to be at least 12 inches if not 10 foot taller than me...


Does anyone have an idea how tall the average Neanderthal actually was?

How many inches taller were Neanderthals than Homosapiens?

Apparently you were right, wiki says there was no difference in height...

When I was in school there used to be a chart of human evolution (although they didn't call it evolution back then) hanging on the wall in every science classroom... I sure wish I could find one of those charts now, but I'm definitely not digging through all the individual wiki pages to find out 'which one was the tallest of them all'... ;)

---

It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .