the middle east has just as much right to travel the globe and spread their influence as anyone else

And with that said, we discover your personal motivation for wanting to murder every muslim on the planet...

As for your "religious" beliefs...

'nuff said... ;)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

If I disagree with that basic premise then I must be unamerican. (insert raspberry noise here)

Actually your country of origin and failure to apply for citizenship make you unAmerican.

Your continued criticism of our country coupled with your your refusal to be critical of the actions of your own country make you nothing more than a hypocrite.

No one here approves of terrorism or wants war, but most of us realize the middle east has been at war with western culture for well over 30 years now, and I for one am happy that my country AS WELL AS YOURS is there doing something about it!

I am very critical of my own government.
I send letters to my Member of Parliament and Prime Minister quite often to express my views and opposition to the directions they take.

I also see our present Prime Minister as nothing more than a lapdog to your president and his corporate overlords.

PS: Why in hell would I be applying for American citizenship?
Canada is the country of my birth.
I grew up in Canada.
I live in Canada.
I work in Canada.
I raise my kids as Canadians.
I AM Canadian.
(another raspberry)

Big difference between allegedly expressing your views in a private letter and calling my President a liar on a public forum. Of course, double standards are the norm for liberal scumbags....it's why you're scumbags.

BTW, you're the one making up BS excuses for being unAmerican. I merely pointed out that your political views have nothing to do with it...

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the middle east has just as much right to travel the globe and spread their influence as anyone else

And with that said, we discover your personal motivation for wanting to murder every muslim on the planet...

As for your "religious" beliefs...

'nuff said... ;)

I won't apologize for condemning criminals who follow a faith that preaches murder of those who think differently.

2:191 And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter.

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Freedom of Speech:
The constitution guarantees your right to express yourself, save that it does not equal libel or slander, and that you are not inciting lawlessness.

The city council of Berkeley has the right to vote to put the Marine Corps recruiting station on notice that they are unwanted, and it has the right to approve Code Pink's petition to protest, etc.

What they fail to understand is that every American has a right to express themselves by seeking lawful employment, to include joining the Armed forces. Infringing that right is a violation of everyone's right to choose to serve their nation.

Now, I realize that in this lair of liberalism, most people wouldn't have the personal courage to put their money where their mouth is and actually go see what is going on in Iraq and Afghanistan for themselves (as I have twice and will again). I got it. But just remember that the same people who feel that they can pick and choose whose speech can be protected (or not) based on their own political agendas (rather than the constitution) are just as bad as the Nazis who burned books or the Taliban who made it illegal to watch sattelite television in Afghanistan.

And oh, by the way, if we don't let military recruiters do their job, then everyone has to face the draft again. I wonder how that will go down? Will the population of Canada see a sharp uptick in Californian Refugees? Will they close their border down to keep a wave of illegal immigrants from overburdening their socialist state-run healthcare system? Probably, eh?

As a result of Berkeley's leftist city council, I have dropped my support of the SETI@home project. Don't bother replying as this will be my last visit to this site.

sounds rather treasonous.

So be it... ;)

Just call it 'regime change' and it's ok.

Please don't point a BB gun at me when you're making an argument. Uma Thurman can do better although we do appreciate the effort.

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Founder of BOINC team Objectivists. Oh the humanity! Rational people crunching data!
I did NOT authorize this belly writing!

2:191 And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter.

2:190
Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.

2:191
And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.

2:192
But if they cease, Allah is Oft−forgiving, Most Merciful.


I see some of us still have 'reading comprehension' issues... ;)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

You're so cute when you get all riled up.

Lies Lies Lies

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me@rescam.org

And I do believe calling my President and Vice President liar's is an insult to my country and thus an insult to me.

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky."

Bill Clinton lied. He admitted it. He was the president of your country and mine. Have I insulted our country and you by reminding you of this? Or do you only get insulted when it's a Republican President (or V.P.) that is being called a liar?

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Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes.

If I disagree with that basic premise then I must be unamerican. (insert raspberry noise here)

Actually your country of origin and failure to apply for citizenship make you unAmerican.

Your continued criticism of our country coupled with your your refusal to be critical of the actions of your own country make you nothing more than a hypocrite.

No one here approves of terrorism or wants war, but most of us realize the middle east has been at war with western culture for well over 30 years now, and I for one am happy that my country AS WELL AS YOURS is there doing something about it!

I am very critical of my own government.
I send letters to my Member of Parliament and Prime Minister quite often to express my views and opposition to the directions they take.

I also see our present Prime Minister as nothing more than a lapdog to your president and his corporate overlords.

PS: Why in hell would I be applying for American citizenship?
Canada is the country of my birth.
I grew up in Canada.
I live in Canada.
I work in Canada.
I raise my kids as Canadians.
I AM Canadian.
(another raspberry)

Big difference between allegedly expressing your views in a private letter and calling my President a liar on a public forum. Of course, double standards are the norm for liberal scumbags....it's why you're scumbags.

BTW, you're the one making up BS excuses for being unAmerican. I merely pointed out that your political views have nothing to do with it...

You're always good for a laugh before I head to work.

Did I not state in the post that you quoted above that my own Prime Minister is a lapdog?
And is this not a public forum? What more can I do?

Every neo-con in office is a knob. Every neo-con who supports them is a fool.
Every neo-con who controls the two groups is very wealthy. What a country.

I won't apologize for condemning criminals who follow a faith that preaches murder of those who think differently.

Of course you can't apologize, or you'd be forced to apply that same principle toward this republican administration.

2:191 And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter.

2:190
Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.

2:191
And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.

2:192
But if they cease, Allah is Oft−forgiving, Most Merciful.


I see some of us still have 'reading comprehension' issues... ;)

To bad you can't see what makes you an enemy sympathizer though...

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And I do believe calling my President and Vice President liar's is an insult to my country and thus an insult to me.

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky."

Bill Clinton lied. He admitted it. He was the president of your country and mine. Have I insulted our country and you by reminding you of this? Or do you only get insulted when it's a Republican President (or V.P.) that is being called a liar?

There is a very distinct difference between being a liar and being called a liar

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If I disagree with that basic premise then I must be unamerican. (insert raspberry noise here)

Actually your country of origin and failure to apply for citizenship make you unAmerican.

Your continued criticism of our country coupled with your your refusal to be critical of the actions of your own country make you nothing more than a hypocrite.

No one here approves of terrorism or wants war, but most of us realize the middle east has been at war with western culture for well over 30 years now, and I for one am happy that my country AS WELL AS YOURS is there doing something about it!

I am very critical of my own government.
I send letters to my Member of Parliament and Prime Minister quite often to express my views and opposition to the directions they take.

I also see our present Prime Minister as nothing more than a lapdog to your president and his corporate overlords.

PS: Why in hell would I be applying for American citizenship?
Canada is the country of my birth.
I grew up in Canada.
I live in Canada.
I work in Canada.
I raise my kids as Canadians.
I AM Canadian.
(another raspberry)

Big difference between allegedly expressing your views in a private letter and calling my President a liar on a public forum. Of course, double standards are the norm for liberal scumbags....it's why you're scumbags.

BTW, you're the one making up BS excuses for being unAmerican. I merely pointed out that your political views have nothing to do with it...

You're always good for a laugh before I head to work.

Did I not state in the post that you quoted above that my own Prime Minister is a lapdog?
And is this not a public forum? What more can I do?

Every neo-con in office is a knob. Every neo-con who supports them is a fool.
Every neo-con who controls the two groups is very wealthy. What a country.

And you see calling your Prime Minister a lapdog as being equal to the criticism you've brought forth against my country? I refer you to my double standard comment.

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I won't apologize for condemning criminals who follow a faith that preaches murder of those who think differently.

Of course you can't apologize, or you'd be forced to apply that same principle toward this republican administration.

The very First Amendment of our Constitution separates church and state and no amount of stupidity on your part will ever change that.

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i put my reccomendation forth that this thread be closed...i sat reading this entire thing for over an hour and i feel i have not gained any new understanding or insight into the situations involed. Instead all i see is random citizens of various countried, sniping at each other with increasing levels of frustration and degradation.

The truth is, whether the American administration lied or not, gave falsestatement or not, they have spin doctored the situation so much, we will probably never know the truth.


as to my personal opinion, i dont care whether it was 'lies' or 'false statements', i belive the whole situation was handled with extreme incompetance, the consequence of which should be an impeachment and fresh election, and a full public review of the intelligence service and its ability to gather acurate info (obviously for security certain things cant be disclosed, but the value and accuracy of current techniques should be ripped apart and the truth of success rates be told to the people that own them)

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The very First Amendment of our Constitution separates church and state and no amount of stupidity on your part will ever change that.

Really?
That's what the US constitution says but it seems that every candidate for president must pass the "God" test to get elected.

Hell, your present leader is one of the biggest rapture kooks around.

Yup Yup They're all gonna fly up through the sky to heaven real soon, leaving us heathen non-believers behind.

You can't really believe that quaint children's story about the separation of church and state and that it actually holds true? C'mon man.

Now that I think about it. Bush probably isn't very religious at all, rather, he's embraced the fascade of piety knowing it was necessary if he wanted to run for office.
He's lied about so many other important issues, why not lie about talking to God too?

And you see calling your Prime Minister a lapdog as being equal to the criticism you've brought forth against my country? I refer you to my double standard comment.

Oh the things I do to satisfy you.

Stephen Harper, the Prime Minister of Canada, in my opinion is all of the following:

Fool...He wanted Canada to be involved in the original Iraqi invasion.

Coward...He lets Bush set the agenda.

Idiot...For involving Canada in the SPP agreement talks.

Traitor...For embracing globalization.

Lapdog to Bush...For not turning off the southbound electricity and oil/gas pipelines during the softwood lumber fiasco.

Lacking vision...For abandoning Canada's legal committment to the Kyoto Accords.

Got any more you want me to add?
The reason I don't bring these up is because no one wants to talk about Canadian politics in a SETI forum thread about the lies told by a sitting US president.

(Here come the right wing wingnuts, we have them here too.)

Might I suggest to any Canadians angry at this, please start another thread to spit at me so this one can try to get back on topic. If you've been here for any length of time, you'll know that I won't avoid you.

The person with the gaping mouth avatar has a talent for derailing threads.

When in England at a fairly large conference, Colin
Powell was asked by the Archbishop of Canterbury if
our plans for Iraq were just an example of 'empire
building' by George Bush. He answered by saying,
"Over the years, the United States has sent many of
its fine young men and women into great peril to
fight for freedom beyond our borders. The only
amount of land we have ever asked for in return is
enough to bury those that did not return."

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Man - a creature made at the end of the week's work when God was tired. - Mark Twain

When President Bush went to visit Pope John Paul on his death bed,
the Pope rebuked the President for what he was doing in Iraq... ;)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

To bad you can't see what makes you an enemy sympathizer though...

What makes you think that I sympathize with you... ... ;)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .