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PKII Send message Joined: 28 May 07 Posts: 165 Credit: 2,729,646 RAC: 0 |
I'm switching to my new computer here a few days. It will have the OS Vista. Are there any issues using Vista with Bonic I should know about? Also, I currently have a P4 1.6Mhz lol I know slow. My new one will have a Pentium Duo 2 2.13MHz will I notice a major difference in the time the units are finished or will I just get a bigger unit if my processing power is greater? |
AlphaLaser Send message Joined: 6 Jul 03 Posts: 262 Credit: 4,430,487 RAC: 0 |
I'm switching to my new computer here a few days. It will have the OS Vista. Are there any issues using Vista with Bonic I should know about? Yes, there are known issues with Vista and BOINC. First you should install BOINC into a folder outside of C:\\Program Files, such as C:\\BOINC. Secondly, there are known problems with the screensaver graphics. There are also reports of Vista blocking one of the BOINC components. However, I always install BOINC in service mode and never encountered this. The BOINC core client v6.0 will be designed with Vista compatibility in mind, so these problems should be solved when that version is released. Also, I currently have a P4 1.6Mhz lol I know slow. My new one will have a Pentium Duo 2 2.13MHz will I notice a major difference in the time the units are finished or will I just get a bigger unit if my processing power is greater? Yes, you will notice a huge boost in the crunch times! The Conroe-based micro architecture was already significantly better than the last generation of 3.0+ Ghz Pentium 4s, and will be even more so compared to your old 1.6 GHz part. The work units are handed out randomly regardless of the host speed so you will definitely see this change. |
Heflin Send message Joined: 22 Sep 99 Posts: 81 Credit: 640,242 RAC: 0 |
I'm switching to my new computer here a few days. Are you keeping your old-reliable for fun? IF you are going to run BOINC as a **SERVICE**, then it had a problem where it would not stop when user was active like it was supposed to. See the begining of this thread: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=1836&nowrap=true#10524 It may have been resolved (sort of) by adding an additional process: see here SETI@home since 1999 "Set it, and Forget it!" |
aka_Sam Send message Joined: 1 Aug 07 Posts: 471 Credit: 1,637,878 RAC: 0 |
Ohhh, interesting stuff! (Am a Vista user on both my home rig and laptop) Question to AlphaLaser (or whom ever may know): Does putting BOINC in it’s own folder outside the C:\\Program Files solve the occasional shutdown/re-start issues that I have? (Sometimes, despite the registry slow-down hack, it will trash underway wu’s as well as a few other ‘ready-to-start' wus) Also, I am running 5.10.20 in my laptop, 5.10.13 in the desktop rig. Should I be brave (stupid?) and jump to 6.0 now, or wait until its out of Beta.. (Just so ya know, I also crunch Einstein and Rosetta, if that matters for the upgrade) Thanks. |
PKII Send message Joined: 28 May 07 Posts: 165 Credit: 2,729,646 RAC: 0 |
I'm switching to my new computer here a few days. Yeah my old-reliable will be just for fun. Maybe the video card blew up today. |
Dr Who Fan Send message Joined: 8 Jan 01 Posts: 3214 Credit: 715,342 RAC: 4 |
Here is what I have found worked for me in addition to what has been said previously by others: When using Vista make sure you have 2GB or more of RAM and set your swap file Minimum and Maximum size to 1.5 or 2.0 GB. |
Vid Vidmar* Send message Joined: 19 Aug 99 Posts: 136 Credit: 1,830,317 RAC: 0 |
Here is what works for me: I don't use Vista period. Why in the world would anyone "upgrade" to an OS that is over-bloated with seldom used features, requires more disk space, RAM and processor power than previous M$ OSes, has old and newly introduced vulnerabilities and costs more than it is worth? That's beyond me. For a fun comparison: If this was say Windoze 98, this is Vista. [edit] URLs [/edit] Greetings, |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
Here is what works for me: I don't use Vista period. Why in the world would anyone "upgrade" to an OS that is over-bloated with seldom used features, requires more disk space, RAM and processor power than previous M$ OSes, has old and newly introduced vulnerabilities and costs more than it is worth? That's beyond me. That's quite funny. I remember them saying the exact same thing when Windows XP was first released. One XP vulnerability was that XP could be compromised within minutes of going online (even with dial up). People couldn't stand the new colorful interface (felt that it was slowing down the system and unnecessary) and required too much disk space compared to the popular OSes of the time (Win2K and Win98SE). And of course, XP required more RAM and processing power than either OS. XP was claimed to be a hog when it was first released. |
perryjay Send message Joined: 20 Aug 02 Posts: 3377 Credit: 20,676,751 RAC: 0 |
Really, I agree completely. What do we need with XP or Vista when we had a perfectly good OS in Windows ME!!! :) PROUD MEMBER OF Team Starfire World BOINC |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20291 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Really, I agree completely. What do we need with XP or Vista when we had a perfectly good OS in Windows ME!!! :) Well, I had a play with my old Win 3.11 WfWg system and it still worked fine. What's more, no viruses and no anti-virus needed! It did look and feel rather impoverished compared to today's mainstream Linux distros ;-) Cheers, Martin (ps: And yes, I do play with more recent MS up to WinXP... But not by choice...) See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Mray Send message Joined: 16 May 99 Posts: 124 Credit: 35,848,796 RAC: 23 |
I installed BOINC on my new Vista machine a couple of weeks ago and have had no problems with it. Installed as a regular program, not as a service. I also don't use the screensaver so I have no idea if that works OK or not. |
Dissident Send message Joined: 20 May 99 Posts: 132 Credit: 70,320 RAC: 0 |
Really, I agree completely. What do we need with XP or Vista when we had a perfectly good OS in Windows ME!!! :) http://members.shaw.ca/dessident/images/windows-cement.jpg |
Josef W. Segur Send message Joined: 30 Oct 99 Posts: 4504 Credit: 1,414,761 RAC: 0 |
... The latest Alpha version is 5.10.30, the 6.x test builds haven't even started Alpha testing yet. I suggest you wait at least until a 6.x appears on the all versions page before you risk it. Joe |
PKII Send message Joined: 28 May 07 Posts: 165 Credit: 2,729,646 RAC: 0 |
Here is what works for me: I don't use Vista period. Why in the world would anyone "upgrade" to an OS that is over-bloated with seldom used features, requires more disk space, RAM and processor power than previous M$ OSes, has old and newly introduced vulnerabilities and costs more than it is worth? That's beyond me.Vista has more room. lol. Well I like Windows 98 but it has no support. And I love XP but they are gonna go to no support in 2009 so I had no choice. I didn't want it. I need a third choice that is compatible with all my programs. |
AlphaLaser Send message Joined: 6 Jul 03 Posts: 262 Credit: 4,430,487 RAC: 0 |
Does putting BOINC in it’s own folder outside the C:\\Program Files solve the occasional shutdown/re-start issues that I have? (Sometimes, despite the registry slow-down hack, it will trash underway wu’s as well as a few other ‘ready-to-start' wus) The problem with the Program Files directory is that it is write-protected in Vista. Here's another thread which discusses the BOINC/Vista compatibility issues in more detail. |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
Does putting BOINC in it’s own folder outside the C:\\Program Files solve the occasional shutdown/re-start issues that I have? (Sometimes, despite the registry slow-down hack, it will trash underway wu’s as well as a few other ‘ready-to-start' wus) Just to note, the Program Files is only write protected when UAC (User Account Control) is turned on. When UAC is turned off, Vista works just like XP before it, and is less secure without it. |
Mray Send message Joined: 16 May 99 Posts: 124 Credit: 35,848,796 RAC: 23 |
Does putting BOINC in it’s own folder outside the C:\\Program Files solve the occasional shutdown/re-start issues that I have? (Sometimes, despite the registry slow-down hack, it will trash underway wu’s as well as a few other ‘ready-to-start' wus) I did install to the program files directory and do have the User Access Control (or whatever they call it) turned on. I had to give the program administrative permissions which means everytime I start it I get that dimming screen and the confirmation dialog. No biggie since I don't start it that often. It does not auto-start on boot nor do I use the screensaver which simplifies things. I'm not sure why that "vitualization" thing didn't kick in, I'm still figuring out Vista. This new security setup seems like a hodge-podge of patches to attempt to fix an inherently weak foundation. The problem is that Windows was, from the beginning, always meant to be a single-user system where the user had full (administrative) control. Trying to turn that into a multiuser environment with limited access and backwards compatibility is quite a challenge. Linux has the advantage here - it was always multi-user. OT Vista note: One of the biggest peeves I've had with it so far is that it does not allow remote sessions without disconnecting the user logged in at the machine. I would have sworn that Vista Ultimate was supposed to allow that. I declared it a bug and thus felt entitled to "fix it" ;-) |
PKII Send message Joined: 28 May 07 Posts: 165 Credit: 2,729,646 RAC: 0 |
Well it is installed not sure if its working yet. I think its getting reporting errors. Oh well not as bad as when I tried to install Itunes. lol My DVD drive dissapeared. :( don't these guys and gals over at Microsoft use a Ipod lol |
Kibble (KB7TIB) Send message Joined: 6 Dec 99 Posts: 27 Credit: 10,121,469 RAC: 2 |
And I love XP but they are gonna go to no support in 2009 so I had no choice. I didn't want it. I need a third choice that is compatible with all my programs. That's not exactly true. MS's support for XP will officially continue until around 2014, but the sale of the OS is gonna stop around June 2008. I believe that individual users and especially the corporations have spoken decisively here. And if my limited experience with Vista is any indication, XP, a mature system, will go further into the future. My 2 cents! Kibble |
RandyC Send message Joined: 20 Oct 99 Posts: 714 Credit: 1,704,345 RAC: 0 |
Well it is installed not sure if its working yet. I think its getting reporting errors. Oh well not as bad as when I tried to install Itunes. lol My DVD drive dissapeared. :( don't these guys and gals over at Microsoft use a Ipod lol Based on your two good returned results, it looks like you've got all the wrinkles ironed out. |
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