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Message 683285 - Posted: 23 Nov 2007, 21:38:13 UTC

But still I wonder why firearms are allowed while knives (eg. butterfly knives) are forbidden. There's much more distance from which a firearm is harmful - even hundreds of yards - while a knife is only harmful when you go real close.
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Message 683298 - Posted: 23 Nov 2007, 22:43:19 UTC

Right now its covered under the 2nd Amendment of the constitution. However, that is now being challenged in the supreme court. Will have to wait and see how that pans out.
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Message 683361 - Posted: 24 Nov 2007, 1:41:04 UTC - in response to Message 683285.  

But still I wonder why firearms are allowed while knives (eg. butterfly knives) are forbidden. There's much more distance from which a firearm is harmful - even hundreds of yards - while a knife is only harmful when you go real close.

Cross bows and spears then...
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Message 683427 - Posted: 24 Nov 2007, 4:10:21 UTC - in response to Message 683285.  

But still I wonder why firearms are allowed while knives (eg. butterfly knives) are forbidden. There's much more distance from which a firearm is harmful - even hundreds of yards - while a knife is only harmful when you go real close.


Because we don't have a Constitutionally protected right to carry butterfly knives.


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Message 683429 - Posted: 24 Nov 2007, 4:17:25 UTC - in response to Message 683427.  

But still I wonder why firearms are allowed while knives (eg. butterfly knives) are forbidden. There's much more distance from which a firearm is harmful - even hundreds of yards - while a knife is only harmful when you go real close.


Because we don't have a Constitutionally protected right to carry butterfly knives.


There are many places where you can't carry guns either.

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Message 683536 - Posted: 24 Nov 2007, 12:23:01 UTC - in response to Message 683429.  
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But still I wonder why firearms are allowed while knives (eg. butterfly knives) are forbidden. There's much more distance from which a firearm is harmful - even hundreds of yards - while a knife is only harmful when you go real close.


Because we don't have a Constitutionally protected right to carry butterfly knives.


There are many places where you can't carry guns either.


With the proper licensing (a privilege, not a right) you CAN carry a gun just about anywhere in the US.

This was discussed just a few days ago on this very topic and if you disagree, simply go to one of those "many places" and call the cops.


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Message 683600 - Posted: 24 Nov 2007, 15:25:02 UTC - in response to Message 683429.  

But still I wonder why firearms are allowed while knives (eg. butterfly knives) are forbidden. There's much more distance from which a firearm is harmful - even hundreds of yards - while a knife is only harmful when you go real close.


Because we don't have a Constitutionally protected right to carry butterfly knives.


There are many places where you can't carry guns either.

Yep, Airports, Police/Sheriff's offices, Courts, in Nevada, you also can't carry onto University properties, any public school property, and anywhere a sign is posted that specifically has the proper Nevada Revised Statute on it, as well as any building that has a metal detector.

Oh well, plenty of other places to carry a gun at. :-)
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Message 683714 - Posted: 24 Nov 2007, 18:39:07 UTC - in response to Message 683600.  
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But still I wonder why firearms are allowed while knives (eg. butterfly knives) are forbidden. There's much more distance from which a firearm is harmful - even hundreds of yards - while a knife is only harmful when you go real close.


Because we don't have a Constitutionally protected right to carry butterfly knives.


There are many places where you can't carry guns either.

Yep, Airports, Police/Sheriff's offices, Courts, in Nevada, you also can't carry onto University properties, any public school property, and anywhere a sign is posted that specifically has the proper Nevada Revised Statute on it, as well as any building that has a metal detector.

Oh well, plenty of other places to carry a gun at. :-)


I was about to explain something similar to BrainSmashR. At public parks, shopping malls, as well as many other places, if you carry a gun you can be in trouble. Also there many town/local ordinances that have restrictions (you gave examples) on guns. There are even laws that say what kind of gun you can and cannot have. All disguised as "public safety" laws. But in reality these laws are just another way for politicians to control the dangerous masses. We wouldn't want the masses walking around with guns uncontrolled now would we?
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Message 683787 - Posted: 24 Nov 2007, 20:04:48 UTC - in response to Message 683714.  

[quote]But still I wonder why firearms are allowed while knives (eg. butterfly knives) are forbidden. There's much more distance from which a firearm is harmful - even hundreds of yards - while a knife is only harmful when you go real close.


Because we don't have a Constitutionally protected right to carry butterfly knives.


There are many places where you can't carry guns either.

Yep, Airports, Police/Sheriff's offices, Courts, in Nevada, you also can't carry onto University properties, any public school property, and anywhere a sign is posted that specifically has the proper Nevada Revised Statute on it, as well as any building that has a metal detector.

Oh well, plenty of other places to carry a gun at. :-)


I was about to explain something similar to BrainSmashR.


Good luck with that.

At public parks, shopping malls, as well as many other places, if you carry a gun you can be in trouble. Also there many town/local ordinances that have restrictions (you gave examples) on guns. There are even laws that say what kind of gun you can and cannot have. All disguised as "public safety" laws. But in reality these laws are just another way for politicians to control the dangerous masses. We wouldn't want the masses walking around with guns uncontrolled now would we?

This is true. Also, indian lands are also off limits.

And darn it all, I'd love to be able to carry a full automatic machine gun, that would be a great packing weapon. LOL
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Message 683820 - Posted: 24 Nov 2007, 21:26:19 UTC - in response to Message 683536.  
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With the proper licensing (a privilege, not a right) you CAN carry a gun just about anywhere in the US.

Please tell us which license would be the 'proper' license?

Here's the rub... Even with a license: You can't carry in parks, you can't carry on school grounds, you can't carry anywhere alchohol is served, you can't carry at sporting events, you can't carry in any law enforcement or federal building, you can't carry on public transportation, you can't carry in shopping malls, you can't carry where there is a large crowd of people, you can't carry anywhere there is a sign posted saying that you can't carry there, and most likely, you can't carry at your workplace ... Not too mention, this all varies from state to state, from town to town, even from building to building... And if you slip up, it's a felony...

So where does that leave you... Well, you can carry in your home and in your car... Great! We could have done that without the cost and hassle of getting a license...

LET THE 'FREEDOM' RING! ;)
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Message 683822 - Posted: 24 Nov 2007, 21:36:06 UTC - in response to Message 683820.  

With the proper licensing (a privilege, not a right) you CAN carry a gun just about anywhere in the US.

Please tell us which license would be the 'proper' license?

Here's the rub... Even with a license: You can't carry in parks, you can't carry on school grounds, you can't carry anywhere alchohol is served, you can't carry at sporting events, you can't carry in any law enforcement or federal building, you can't carry on public transportation, you can't carry in shopping malls, you can't carry where there is a large crowd of people, you can't carry anywhere there is a sign posted saying that you can't carry there, and most likely, you can't carry at your workplace ... Not too mention, this all varies from state to state, from town to town, even from building to building... And if you slip up, it's a felony...

So where does that leave you... Well, you can carry in your home and in your car... Great! We could have done that without the cost and hassle of getting a license...

LET THE 'FREEDOM' RING! ;)

ROFLMAO!!! The special license is by being a federal law enforcement officer.

I'm glad Nevada doesn't have a lot of those restrictions you posted Jeffrey. Here, we can carry in most parks, bars, shopping malls. We don't have as many restrictions as many other states. Plus, we also have open carry, but, why ruin the element of suprise right??? LOL

This has been a good thread, I have enjoyed it. Good discussions here. Lets keep it up and keep it civil, so that the moderators don't have to punish us. :-)
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Message 683896 - Posted: 24 Nov 2007, 23:21:54 UTC

The law states you have the right to bare arms, not fully automatic weapons. The purpose is to protect yourself and/or provide food for your family by hunting, not wipe out your neighborhood in a hail of machine gun fire. Rational people understand the difference.




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Message 683983 - Posted: 25 Nov 2007, 0:38:57 UTC - in response to Message 683896.  

The law states you have the right to bare arms, not fully automatic weapons. The purpose is to protect yourself and/or provide food for your family by hunting, not wipe out your neighborhood in a hail of machine gun fire. Rational people understand the difference.

Wow. I truely am impressed. Obviously you couldn't tell I was joking with that remark, but then again, any rational person could tell when someone was joking.
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Message 683993 - Posted: 25 Nov 2007, 0:54:21 UTC - in response to Message 683983.  
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The law states you have the right to bare arms, not fully automatic weapons. The purpose is to protect yourself and/or provide food for your family by hunting, not wipe out your neighborhood in a hail of machine gun fire. Rational people understand the difference.

Wow. I truely am impressed. Obviously you couldn't tell I was joking with that remark, but then again, any rational person could tell when someone was joking.



You'd think since I didn't quote YOU, that my comment wasn't intended specifically for YOU. Of course rational thought doesn't seem to be your forte, now does it?


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Message 684016 - Posted: 25 Nov 2007, 1:35:18 UTC - in response to Message 683787.  
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And darn it all, I'd love to be able to carry a full automatic machine gun, that would be a great packing weapon. LOL


Yeaah! A Tommy Gun, a.k.a. Chicago Typewriter. If one is to have a gun, it might as well be a gun with some class. lol
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Message 684026 - Posted: 25 Nov 2007, 1:45:52 UTC - in response to Message 683820.  
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Well, you can carry in your home and in your car... Great! We could have done that without the cost and hassle of getting a license...


And if someone is caught without a license, they can't even carry it in their own home. But the criminals will.
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Message 684041 - Posted: 25 Nov 2007, 2:13:53 UTC - in response to Message 683896.  
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The law states you have the right to bare arms, not fully automatic weapons. The purpose is to protect yourself and/or provide food for your family by hunting, not wipe out your neighborhood in a hail of machine gun fire. Rational people understand the difference.



Wow, Vermont along with Alaska are the only states that don't infringe on your constitutional right to own and bear arms? And yet look, it has one of the lowest violent crime and murder rates in the country. FBI source
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Message 684066 - Posted: 25 Nov 2007, 3:37:34 UTC - in response to Message 683993.  

The law states you have the right to bare arms, not fully automatic weapons. The purpose is to protect yourself and/or provide food for your family by hunting, not wipe out your neighborhood in a hail of machine gun fire. Rational people understand the difference.

Wow. I truely am impressed. Obviously you couldn't tell I was joking with that remark, but then again, any rational person could tell when someone was joking.



You'd think since I didn't quote YOU, that my comment wasn't intended specifically for YOU. Of course rational thought doesn't seem to be your forte, now does it?

Wow, you hit the nail right on the head. Your more rational than I thought. Good job!
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Message 684269 - Posted: 25 Nov 2007, 17:57:04 UTC

Any ex military from the past thirty years has probably used full automatic weapons in training. I know I had in the fifties. Even spent a week firing a .50 BMG in AA school. Ten guns firing at a drone aircraft makes a lot of noise. I'm sure it cost me in hearing.

Fully auto hand guns are a joke. One hand can't keep the second shot on target, not to mention later ones.

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