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Message 741034 - Posted: 18 Apr 2008, 21:49:22 UTC

II Timothy 3:1-5
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

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Message 741211 - Posted: 19 Apr 2008, 2:25:37 UTC

On today's front page.

The main caption: Pope meets with victims of sexual abuse

The picture:

Is there a lawyer in the house?
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Message 741676 - Posted: 20 Apr 2008, 0:56:32 UTC - in response to Message 741211.  

there is no need to one cause for god it is ok to have children with your sister brother etc, adam and eve, noah and i don´t remember her name but you get the picture
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Message 741698 - Posted: 20 Apr 2008, 2:48:20 UTC - in response to Message 741676.  

noah and i don´t remember her name but you get the picture

Her name was Naamah... And no, I don't get the picture, but I do get the facts... ;)
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Message 743293 - Posted: 23 Apr 2008, 22:52:51 UTC

The problem with killing all the religious people in the world is that EVERYONE is born with a desire to learn about their Creator... Therefore, it will prove to be a 'never ending' process...

Hmm... The 'war on terror' seems to have a similar timetable... ;)
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Message 743351 - Posted: 24 Apr 2008, 0:55:49 UTC

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Message 744885 - Posted: 27 Apr 2008, 4:15:56 UTC

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Message 744918 - Posted: 27 Apr 2008, 6:22:09 UTC - in response to Message 744885.  

II Peter 3:8
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Just thought I'd point that out... ;)
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Message 744920 - Posted: 27 Apr 2008, 6:23:52 UTC - in response to Message 744918.  

... that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, ...

So, he is that boring?
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Message 744932 - Posted: 27 Apr 2008, 7:44:01 UTC - in response to Message 744918.  

II Peter 3:8
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Just thought I'd point that out... ;)

And since he said there were a few days left we're all OK. ;)
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Message 744945 - Posted: 27 Apr 2008, 7:56:16 UTC - in response to Message 744932.  

II Peter 3:8
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Just thought I'd point that out... ;)

And since he said there were a few days left we're all OK. ;)


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Message 744991 - Posted: 27 Apr 2008, 12:15:30 UTC - in response to Message 744945.  

II Peter 3:8
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Just thought I'd point that out... ;)

And since he said there were a few days left we're all OK. ;)


May God have mercy on us all.

Uhm.. sorry to spoil the mood but He said that a few "days" ago... ;)
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Message 745037 - Posted: 27 Apr 2008, 15:35:32 UTC - in response to Message 744920.  

... that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, ...

So, he is that boring?

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Message 745112 - Posted: 27 Apr 2008, 19:38:33 UTC

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Message 745164 - Posted: 27 Apr 2008, 21:10:59 UTC

I love Hebrew National hot dogs. They should put me back in their commercials. You can still view me on YouTube.
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Message 745343 - Posted: 28 Apr 2008, 3:02:08 UTC - in response to Message 744991.  

And since he said there were a few days left we're all OK.

Uhm.. sorry to spoil the mood but He said that a few "days" ago...

Hey now! That's MY job... ;)
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Message 745770 - Posted: 29 Apr 2008, 12:57:01 UTC - in response to Message 744918.  

II Peter 3:8
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Just thought I'd point that out... ;)




but it still doesnt add up, did he came here after all the planets etc were here already
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Message 745856 - Posted: 29 Apr 2008, 22:05:14 UTC - in response to Message 745770.  

but it still doesnt add up

Sure it does... The most well known passage in the Bible reads: In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth...

Maybe God did it in seven days, maybe God did it over 7000 years, maybe 'a day is like a thousand years' was a metaphor, maybe God just said 'BE' and it was... Does it really matter 'how' God did it? ;)
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Message 745920 - Posted: 30 Apr 2008, 0:57:18 UTC

Disobeying the pope on communion

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CHICAGO SUN-TIMES

April 29, 2008

In the aftermath of the visit by Pope Benedict XVI, a troublesome question is asked by traditional Catholics: Did American pro-choice politicians receiving Holy Communion at the papal masses indicate a softening on the abortion question by the pope? The answer is that it did not. On the contrary, it reflected disobedience to Benedict by the archbishops of New York and Washington.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Sens. John Kerry, Christopher Dodd and Edward M. Kennedy received communion at Nationals Park in Washington, as did Rudolph Giuliani at Yankee Stadium in New York. They were present because they were invited to the masses by Archbishop Donald Wuerl of Washington and Cardinal Edward Egan, archbishop of New York. Given choice seats, they took communion hosts as a matter of course.

Vatican sources say the pope has not retreated from his long-held position that pro-choice politicians should be deprived of communion, but the decisions in Washington and New York were not his. The effect was to dull messages of faith, obligation and compassion conveyed by Benedict. In his Yankee Stadium homily, he talked of “authority” and “obedience” – acknowledging that “these are not easy words to speak nowadays.” They surely are not for four former presidential candidates and two princes of the church, representing Catholics who defy their faith's doctrine on abortion.

Benedict's position was unequivocal when he was Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. Asked in 2004 whether Kerry as Democratic presidential nominee should be allowed to take communion, he replied, “The minister of Holy Communion must refuse to distribute it.”

Ratzinger's demeanor necessarily has changed in his elevation from doctrinal enforcer to global pastor, but he has not altered his position on abortion-communion. When as Benedict he arrived in Brazil a year ago, he declared: “The killing of an innocent human child is incompatible with going into communion in the body of Christ.”

Benedict did not reiterate that position in Washington and New York, because a pope traveling abroad is influenced by the stance of local church authorities. American bishops are divided. Archbishop Raymond Burke of St. Louis leads those who believe pro-choice politicians cannot receive communion. Cardinal Theodore McCarrick, Wuerl's predecessor as archbishop of Washington, took a position opposite to Burke's. Blessed with charm and political finesse, McCarrick was not about to clash with his archdiocese's most famous parishioners.

Wuerl is considered less political than McCarrick, but he is hardly less averse to colliding with powerful laymen. He could have avoided any confrontation at Nationals Park by simply not inviting the pro-choice politicians to a mass where there was no room for the vast majority of Catholics who wanted to attend. The five pro-choice Catholics took communion from the hand of Archbishop Pietro Sambi, the pope's representative to the United States as apostolic delegate.

In New York, Giuliani receiving communion was even more remarkable. Unlike Pelosi and Kennedy, who are regular Mass attendees, the former mayor of New York says he goes to church only “occasionally,” usually for holidays or funerals. Abortion aside, Giuliani's third marriage would make him ineligible for communion because his second marriage was not annulled by the church. But in New York, Cardinal Egan is no more apt than Cardinal McCarrick was to offend the powerful, and Giuliani was invited to the Mass.

There are devout pro-life Catholics who oppose rejection of any worshiper at the communion rail, but they believe bishops should publicly manifest disapproval of Catholic politicians who support abortion rights. The bishops of Washington and New York do not. During Wuerl's installation Mass as archbishop of Washington in 2006, he shook hands with Kerry and Kennedy, seated side by side.

At Yankee Stadium, Benedict spoke of the “inalienable dignity and rights” of “the most defenseless of all human beings, the unborn child in the mother's womb.” In parishes across the country, the faithful hear their priests echo the Holy Father's words. Those professions ring hollow when pro-choice politicians are honored as they were during the pope's visit.
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