Back to the stone age.

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Founder of BOINC team Objectivists. Oh the humanity! Rational people crunching data!
I did NOT authorize this belly writing!

Back to the basics... ;)

what about having gods after him?

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me@rescam.org

Psalms 40:5 (rsv)
Blessed is the man who makes the LORD his trust, who does not turn to the proud, to those who go astray after false gods!

Beyond the basics... ;)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

You want him NOT to post scripture in the Religious Thread??? I think scripture can support or deny his positions depending what he is saying...I support the postings of scripture if it is relevant to the discussion at hand

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If God had meant to guide humanity through scripture he could have made sure a modern English version of the bible, or quaran was buried, to be found in modern times

The Book of Mormon? ;)

The Second Book Of Nephi chapter 29
Many gentiles shall reject the Book of Mormon—They shall say: We need no more Bible—The Lord speaks to many nations—He will judge the world out of the books thus written. Between 559 and 545 B.C.

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

aka... The book of "SATAN".

Don't the non-believers say that about all of Gods books? Didn't the Jews say that about the Gospels? Don't the Jews and the Christians say that about the Qur'an? Don't the Jews the Christians and the Muslims all say that about The Book of Mormon? Are you seeing a pattern here? I know that I am... ;)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

aka... The book of "SATAN".

Don't the non-believers say that about all of Gods books? Didn't the Jews say that about the Gospels? Don't the Jews and the Christians say that about the Qur'an? Don't the Jews the Christians and the Muslims all say that about The Book of Mormon? Are you seeing a pattern here? I know that I am... ;)

You got a good crossword puzzle going?

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me@rescam.org

Often as not you see what you want, or are preconditioned, to see.

1 John 2:27
but the anointing which you received from him abides in you, and you have no need that any one should teach you; as his anointing teaches you about everything, and is true, and is no lie, just as it has taught you, abide in him.

Obviously, you are confusing 'me' with a 'sunday christian'... ;)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

I am a passive Christian.....which means to say.....I do not often impose my spirituality on others. Maybe that is not in line with those that say that all Christians should try to spread their faith to others......but I put in a good word when I can without upsetting the nonbelievers.

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

Guido--just a FYI I wasn't playing mod on you earlier...just giving my thoughts. It's all good. :)

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I put in a good word when I can without upsetting the nonbelievers.

Nearly impossible to do nowadays considering most non-believers seem to get upset over simple phrases such as 'in God we trust' or 'one nation under God'... Heaven forbid we wear 'religious jewlery' or tote a 'Holy Book' in public... ;)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

Me-perceives that someone is on a mission to highjack the religious thread... ;)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

Me-perceives that someone is on a mission to highjack the religious thread... ;)

Will you be serving the pancake breakfast?

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I put in a good word when I can without upsetting the nonbelievers.

Nearly impossible to do nowadays considering most non-believers seem to get upset over simple phrases such as 'in God we trust' or 'one nation under God'... Heaven forbid we wear 'religious jewlery' or tote a 'Holy Book' in public... ;)

Wrong again (imagine my surprise).

It's liberals who want you to stop chanting lines of blind witchery, because it's offensive, and/or oppressive depending on the circumstances, to people of other religious beliefs.

Nonbelievers don't care what imaginary being you kneel before.

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Wrong again (imagine my surprise).

Ones 'political' affiliation has nothing to do with ones 'religious' beliefs. (Unless you're a hypocrite)... ;)

(Example: You claim to vote 'republican', yet you are clearly not a member of the 'christian right'.)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

I wouldn't like to see this thread disapear.

I'd just like to see the bi-polar arguements between 'Jeffrey', 'SC' change to something more meaningful.

I don't think either are wrong per-se.

... but if I wanted to talk about something that was spiritually important to me I think neither of those two positions could give me a personalised or humane perspective.

Most of us already know the religious and political scriptures or arguements.

I do feel that when we talk about 'politics' or 'religion' we get into the arguement about who quotes better than who...


I don't think I have made my point well.

Sorry.


Can I ask that next time this thread get's recreated 'Qui-Gon' (or et-al) that the title gets changed to the "Spiritual Thread" just to see if that allows for a greater range of different beliefs?

Just a request :o)

Most of us already know the religious and political scriptures or arguements.

If that were true, people wouldn't get so uptight over the posting of supporting scripture... ;)

(Don't confuse personal conviction with perceived hatred... Scripture convicts... I know because I've been there, and at the time, I hated it too.)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

Most of us already know the religious and political scriptures or arguements.

If that were true, people wouldn't get so uptight over the posting of supporting scripture... ;)

Jeffrey. If I asked one thing of you:

If I ever asked or talked about something spiritual would you do me the favour of not quoting scripture but instead offered me the best of your own personal experiences (which may of course be informed by scripture) as a response?

Could you that?


I guess one of the questions I am asking is whether this is a 'political thread about religion' or 'a thread about the politics of religion' or 'a thread about religion' or 'a thread for people to share their spirituality'?

At the moment I doubt the latter two.



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I'm not likely to change the name of this thread (series). If anyone is not interested in the topic, then simply don't post here. But if I understand the argument correctly, I think that cRunchy is saying spirituality and religion are unrelated topics. They are not. Talking about spirituality, morality, even humanity are the very things that this thread is meant to do. One does not have to be a member of any religion or even "religious" to post here. Indeed, a number of atheists and agnostics have posted here over the years.

SNIP...

But if I understand the argument correctly, I think that cRunchy is saying spirituality and religion are unrelated topics. They are not.

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Qui-Gon,

I am not saying that at all.

I'm saying the opposite.

I don't see any difference between religion, spirituality or my awe for life.

I'm just asking in my annoying way that this thread should not just end up as a set of scriptures or an anti-religious thread.

The concept that 'religion' and 'spirituality' is divided was not made by me but is a well and long understood seperation of thought. (... I never created the concept of this thread.. so don't blame me!!)

If anyone is not interested in the topic, then simply don't post here.

I always hated that sort of statement as we would not be here without having some sort of interest.

I just came here a few weeks ago with a spiritual question in mind but found 2 people in particular locked into a linear arguement...

Sorry for my reaction..




(I know It's not my baby.)