AMD vs. Intel

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Francois Piednoel Send message Joined: 14 Jun 00 Posts: 898 Credit: 5,969,361 RAC: 0	Message 638210 - Posted: 10 Sep 2007, 18:13:51 UTC - in response to Message 637946. I thought this deserves a new thread... The first Barcelona on SETI The second Barcelona on SETI Andy. 3 Letters: L.O.L who? ID: 638210 ·

Andy Lee Robinson Send message Joined: 8 Dec 05 Posts: 630 Credit: 59,973,836 RAC: 0	Message 638218 - Posted: 10 Sep 2007, 18:29:48 UTC - in response to Message 638210. I thought this deserves a new thread... The first Barcelona on SETI The second Barcelona on SETI Andy. 3 Letters: L.O.L who? You started it! Let's see if they walk the talk, and if they are as scary as you give the impression they are. I don't think you have too much to worry about for crunching, but performance per watt matters more on big server farms than raw cpu power, and you have penryn and harpertown on the way. Let's face it, if they hadn't set off a stick of opteron dynamite under your a$$es, we'd all still be using P4s, or abacusses! ID: 638218 ·

Francois Piednoel Send message Joined: 14 Jun 00 Posts: 898 Credit: 5,969,361 RAC: 0	Message 638234 - Posted: 10 Sep 2007, 18:42:40 UTC - in response to Message 638218. I thought this deserves a new thread... The first Barcelona on SETI The second Barcelona on SETI Andy. 3 Letters: L.O.L who? You started it! Let's see if they walk the talk, and if they are as scary as you give the impression they are. I don't think you have too much to worry about for crunching, but performance per watt matters more on big server farms than raw cpu power, and you have penryn and harpertown on the way. Let's face it, if they hadn't set off a stick of opteron dynamite under your a$$es, we'd all still be using P4s, or abacusses! Well, I am tired of hearing "we are 35% faster than ... bla bla bla on Floating point" and then: Cinebench, Povray on techreport Even in 3DSMax (on Anand), when it is compare to a similar frequency CPU, it does not win. In the case of anand, he started to use a application that nobody knows ... bottom line, Cinebench, Povray, 3DSMax all show that Core 2 rocks! and NOBODY is 35% faster. It is time that fake marketing stop and real result speaks. Let's look at applications that people use, like Cinebench, Povray, 3DSMax, SETI, and now you know what rocks and what sucks. The Fan boys now can see that they were mislead. Sorry, this part is not my doing, I just push the fact on the table. Relaxed Who? in Cote d'azure, France. ID: 638234 ·

Philadelphia Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 12 Feb 07 Posts: 1590 Credit: 399,688 RAC: 0	Message 638244 - Posted: 10 Sep 2007, 18:47:55 UTC - in response to Message 638218. I thought this deserves a new thread... The first Barcelona on SETI The second Barcelona on SETI Andy. 3 Letters: L.O.L who? You started it! Let's see if they walk the talk, and if they are as scary as you give the impression they are. I don't think you have too much to worry about for crunching, but performance per watt matters more on big server farms than raw cpu power, and you have penryn and harpertown on the way. Let's face it, if they hadn't set off a stick of opteron dynamite under your a$$es, we'd all still be using P4s, or abacusses! Hey, easy on the abacus, us accountants still use them. ID: 638244 ·

wheelieslug Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 8 Jul 03 Posts: 38 Credit: 3,688,407 RAC: 0	Message 638299 - Posted: 10 Sep 2007, 19:55:44 UTC I'd go with Who? on this - with the proviso that it's early days yet. I like passion - and heck, there's a little space for brand loyalty - but there's gonna come a time whrn it boils down to cold hard fact. Most of us use a machine/group of machines and/or processors because they're fit for purpose, I think. Including Boinc. To give a rather simplistic view - If I can do what I want to do, without slowdown or interruption, and seti as well, I'd be a happy chappy. :) That's the dream. Respects, Slugbug :) ID: 638299 ·

Sir Ulli Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 21 Oct 99 Posts: 2246 Credit: 6,136,250 RAC: 0	Message 638352 - Posted: 10 Sep 2007, 20:42:46 UTC - in response to Message 638268. been waiting for barcelona so i could go get some serious crunching done,think i might get me com 64 out instead yes and than on Linux64 bit...., with an optimized Client i think there is going somethink @who? we know that you are working for Imhell, so be .... Greetings from Germany NRW Ulli ID: 638352 ·

Francois Piednoel Send message Joined: 14 Jun 00 Posts: 898 Credit: 5,969,361 RAC: 0	Message 638360 - Posted: 10 Sep 2007, 21:11:16 UTC - in response to Message 638352. Last modified: 10 Sep 2007, 21:17:25 UTC been waiting for barcelona so i could go get some serious crunching done,think i might get me com 64 out instead yes and than on Linux64 bit...., with an optimized Client i think there is going somethink @who? we know that you are working for Imhell, so be .... Greetings from Germany NRW Ulli Just don't tell me that they beat my babies if you don't. There is a big fake hype that needs to stop, it is misleading. oulala The numbers keep going down now that people can check them ... Where is the 40% faster than XEONS? who? ID: 638360 ·

Sir Ulli Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 21 Oct 99 Posts: 2246 Credit: 6,136,250 RAC: 0	Message 638362 - Posted: 10 Sep 2007, 21:17:01 UTC - in response to Message 638360. been waiting for barcelona so i could go get some serious crunching done,think i might get me com 64 out instead yes and than on Linux64 bit...., with an optimized Client i think there is going somethink @who? we know that you are working for Imhell, so be .... Greetings from Germany NRW Ulli Just don't tell me that they beat my babies if you don't. There is a big fake hype that needs to stop, it is misleading. who? nooooooooo we have not seen any 64 Bit Linux Machines with an optimmized Client... as we see this we have to look closer... @who? your Computers are hidden, did you think..... Greetings from Germany NRW Ulli ID: 638362 ·

Francois Piednoel Send message Joined: 14 Jun 00 Posts: 898 Credit: 5,969,361 RAC: 0	Message 638366 - Posted: 10 Sep 2007, 21:23:46 UTC - in response to Message 638362. @who? your Computers are hidden, did you think..... well, I don't think you need to see. only around the 18th :) I return to my vacation, barcelona, bla bla bla, now we know it. who? ID: 638366 ·

Sir Ulli Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 21 Oct 99 Posts: 2246 Credit: 6,136,250 RAC: 0	Message 638368 - Posted: 10 Sep 2007, 21:25:58 UTC - in response to Message 638366. @who? your Computers are hidden, did you think..... well, I don't think you need to see. only around the 18th :) I return to my vacation, barcelona, bla bla bla, now we know it. who? my Computers can every body see, i have no Secrets... btw i have also a Quad as you can see... Greetings from Germany NRW Ulli ID: 638368 ·

speedimic Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 28 Sep 02 Posts: 362 Credit: 16,590,653 RAC: 0	Message 638376 - Posted: 10 Sep 2007, 21:31:51 UTC Last modified: 10 Sep 2007, 21:32:36 UTC yes and than on Linux64 bit...., with an optimized Client i think there is going somethink @who? we know that you are working for Imhell, so be .... Greetings from Germany NRW Ulli Well, I run 64bit Linux and optimized app on this one giving me about 15-20% advantage over win/stock-app. Now do the calculation yourself... Sorry, Ulli das sieht nicht gut aus. I use both, Intel and AMD - and from my experience - Intel works better for Seti. On the other hand RieselSieve seems to favour AMD cpus... mic. ID: 638376 ·

1mp0Â£173 Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 8423 Credit: 356,897 RAC: 0	Message 638438 - Posted: 10 Sep 2007, 22:54:16 UTC - in response to Message 638360. been waiting for barcelona so i could go get some serious crunching done,think i might get me com 64 out instead yes and than on Linux64 bit...., with an optimized Client i think there is going somethink @who? we know that you are working for Imhell, so be .... Greetings from Germany NRW Ulli Just don't tell me that they beat my babies if you don't. There is a big fake hype that needs to stop, it is misleading. oulala The numbers keep going down now that people can check them ... Where is the 40% faster than XEONS? who? ... and Intel has never been guilty of "fake hype".... ID: 638438 ·

Philadelphia Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 12 Feb 07 Posts: 1590 Credit: 399,688 RAC: 0	Message 638576 - Posted: 11 Sep 2007, 2:08:51 UTC - in response to Message 638438. been waiting for barcelona so i could go get some serious crunching done,think i might get me com 64 out instead yes and than on Linux64 bit...., with an optimized Client i think there is going somethink @who? we know that you are working for Imhell, so be .... Greetings from Germany NRW Ulli Just don't tell me that they beat my babies if you don't. There is a big fake hype that needs to stop, it is misleading. oulala The numbers keep going down now that people can check them ... Where is the 40% faster than XEONS? who? ... and Intel has never been guilty of "fake hype".... All of them have been, at one time or another, plenty of 'fake hype'. Having said that, in the early stages for sure, Barcalona (sp?) on SETI has been less than advertised. ID: 638576 ·

zoom3+1=4 Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65778 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49	Message 638632 - Posted: 11 Sep 2007, 3:33:43 UTC - in response to Message 638576. been waiting for Barcelona so i could go get some serious crunching done,think i might get me com 64 out instead yes and than on Linux64 bit...., with an optimized Client I think there is going something @who? we know that you are working for Imhell, so be .... Greetings from Germany NRW Ulli Just don't tell me that they beat my babies if you don't. There is a big fake hype that needs to stop, it is misleading. oulala The numbers keep going down now that people can check them ... Where is the 40% faster than XEONS? who? ... and Intel has never been guilty of "fake hype".... All of them have been, at one time or another, plenty of 'fake hype'. Having said that, in the early stages for sure, Barcelona (sp?) on SETI has been less than advertised. Give Me some good ram and a Q6600 and there's no stopping Me, Bought the ram today, That and an 850w OCZ psu, But the Q6600 will have to wait some. :D The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's ID: 638632 ·

Gorkan Send message Joined: 10 Sep 07 Posts: 1 Credit: 1,824 RAC: 0	Message 638657 - Posted: 11 Sep 2007, 5:00:20 UTC V1.0 of anything has problems lets not forget dos 6.0 or the pentium that couldnt do math ( OMG Not Intel ) I say give it 6 months and we'll see ID: 638657 ·

Francois Piednoel Send message Joined: 14 Jun 00 Posts: 898 Credit: 5,969,361 RAC: 0	Message 638686 - Posted: 11 Sep 2007, 6:15:13 UTC - in response to Message 638657. V1.0 of anything has problems lets not forget dos 6.0 or the pentium that couldnt do math ( OMG Not Intel ) I say give it 6 months and we'll see Core 2 Conroe rocks from the beginning. You can't claim to beat your competitor if you don't, and it is what Randy Allen and co do every day now. He needs to get some glasses to look at the numbers. I am sorry for the fan boys, i understand the passion going for brand A or B, i try to say it smoothly without hurting, but the fan boys were mislead by strange claims that nobody can reproduce, look at the youtube videos! 40% faster everywhere, it is where k10 was claim to be. every time i show numbers, people can reproduce them, i actually always let them measure them. sorry for the message, but the truth need to be known. in 6 months, i am going to have heavy improvement too on SETI. and yes, i want to see a custom version of SETI for K10, for fair comparaision with my sse4 version, when it gets available. who? ID: 638686 ·

mr.kjellen Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 4 Jan 01 Posts: 195 Credit: 71,324,196 RAC: 0	Message 638735 - Posted: 11 Sep 2007, 8:47:09 UTC Last modified: 11 Sep 2007, 8:47:30 UTC The Core2 architecture performs VERY well, no one is suggesting otherwise. We (the posting seti community) have yet to get our hands on one or two of the new opterons. We can observe a handfull, but we don't know the type of memory used, speed of it, the clockspeeds of the processors (we can theorize that they should be stock), if the power planes feature is activated and so on. Obviously this release from AMD is not all the company (and fan base) hoped for, but I defenately think it is enough to make for an interesting fall. It may well prove a competitive platform, price wise, for about the same performance. Reasonable pricing of the cpus, lower power requirements & no need for FBDIMMs... @Who? You really don't need to prove anything, the capabilities of the Core2 architecture does not crumble to dust just because the competition stiffens a bit. ID: 638735 ·

kittyman Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51469 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004	Message 638740 - Posted: 11 Sep 2007, 8:52:58 UTC - in response to Message 638735. The Core2 architecture performs VERY well, no one is suggesting otherwise. We (the posting seti community) have yet to get our hands on one or two of the new opterons. We can observe a handfull, but we don't know the type of memory used, speed of it, the clockspeeds of the processors (we can theorize that they should be stock), if the power planes feature is activated and so on. Obviously this release from AMD is not all the company (and fan base) hoped for, but I defenately think it is enough to make for an interesting fall. It may well prove a competitive platform, price wise, for about the same performance. Reasonable pricing of the cpus, lower power requirements & no need for FBDIMMs... @Who? You really don't need to prove anything, the capabilities of the Core2 architecture does not crumble to dust just because the competition stiffens a bit. Ahhhh, but do not forget that the Core 2 architecture is gonna stiffen a bit come the 18th. "Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster ID: 638740 ·

mr.kjellen Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 4 Jan 01 Posts: 195 Credit: 71,324,196 RAC: 0	Message 638760 - Posted: 11 Sep 2007, 9:39:47 UTC - in response to Message 638740. Ahhhh, but do not forget that the Core 2 architecture is gonna stiffen a bit come the 18th. Bring it on!! Faster = Me Happier :) /Anton ID: 638760 ·

kittyman Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51469 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004	Message 638761 - Posted: 11 Sep 2007, 9:41:47 UTC - in response to Message 638760. Ahhhh, but do not forget that the Core 2 architecture is gonna stiffen a bit come the 18th. Bring it on!! Faster = Me Happier :) /Anton The kitties will be happier too!! Faster...faster.... "Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster ID: 638761 ·

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