I thought this deserves a new thread...

The first Barcelona on SETI
The second Barcelona on SETI

Andy.

3 Letters: L.O.L

who?

I thought this deserves a new thread...

The first Barcelona on SETI
The second Barcelona on SETI

Andy.

3 Letters: L.O.L

who?

You started it! Let's see if they walk the talk, and if they are as scary as you give the impression they are. I don't think you have too much to worry about for crunching, but performance per watt matters more on big server farms than raw cpu power, and you have penryn and harpertown on the way.
Let's face it, if they hadn't set off a stick of opteron dynamite under your a$$es, we'd all still be using P4s, or abacusses!

I thought this deserves a new thread...

The first Barcelona on SETI
The second Barcelona on SETI

Andy.

3 Letters: L.O.L

who?

You started it! Let's see if they walk the talk, and if they are as scary as you give the impression they are. I don't think you have too much to worry about for crunching, but performance per watt matters more on big server farms than raw cpu power, and you have penryn and harpertown on the way.
Let's face it, if they hadn't set off a stick of opteron dynamite under your a$$es, we'd all still be using P4s, or abacusses!

Well, I am tired of hearing "we are 35% faster than ... bla bla bla on Floating point" and then:

Cinebench, Povray on techreport
Even in 3DSMax (on Anand), when it is compare to a similar frequency CPU, it does not win.

In the case of anand, he started to use a application that nobody knows ...

bottom line, Cinebench, Povray, 3DSMax all show that Core 2 rocks! and NOBODY is 35% faster.

It is time that fake marketing stop and real result speaks.

Let's look at applications that people use, like Cinebench, Povray, 3DSMax, SETI, and now you know what rocks and what sucks.

The Fan boys now can see that they were mislead. Sorry, this part is not my doing, I just push the fact on the table.

Relaxed Who? in Cote d'azure, France.

I thought this deserves a new thread...

The first Barcelona on SETI
The second Barcelona on SETI

Andy.

3 Letters: L.O.L

who?

You started it! Let's see if they walk the talk, and if they are as scary as you give the impression they are. I don't think you have too much to worry about for crunching, but performance per watt matters more on big server farms than raw cpu power, and you have penryn and harpertown on the way.
Let's face it, if they hadn't set off a stick of opteron dynamite under your a$$es, we'd all still be using P4s, or abacusses!

Hey, easy on the abacus, us accountants still use them.

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I'd go with Who? on this - with the proviso that it's early days yet. I like passion - and heck, there's a little space for brand loyalty - but there's gonna come a time whrn it boils down to cold hard fact.

Most of us use a machine/group of machines and/or processors because they're fit for purpose, I think. Including Boinc. To give a rather simplistic view - If I can do what I want to do, without slowdown or interruption, and seti as well, I'd be a happy chappy. :) That's the dream.

Respects, Slugbug :)

been waiting for barcelona so i could go get some serious crunching done,think i might get me com 64 out instead

yes and than on Linux64 bit...., with an optimized Client

i think there is going somethink

@who?

we know that you are working for Imhell, so be ....

Greetings from Germany NRW
Ulli

been waiting for barcelona so i could go get some serious crunching done,think i might get me com 64 out instead

yes and than on Linux64 bit...., with an optimized Client

i think there is going somethink

@who?

we know that you are working for Imhell, so be ....

Greetings from Germany NRW
Ulli

Just don't tell me that they beat my babies if you don't. There is a big fake hype that needs to stop, it is misleading.

oulala

The numbers keep going down now that people can check them ... Where is the 40% faster than XEONS?

who?

been waiting for barcelona so i could go get some serious crunching done,think i might get me com 64 out instead

yes and than on Linux64 bit...., with an optimized Client

i think there is going somethink

@who?

we know that you are working for Imhell, so be ....

Greetings from Germany NRW
Ulli

Just don't tell me that they beat my babies if you don't. There is a big fake hype that needs to stop, it is misleading.

who?

nooooooooo

we have not seen any 64 Bit Linux Machines with an optimmized Client...

as we see this we have to look closer...

@who?

your Computers are hidden, did you think.....


Greetings from Germany NRW
Ulli

@who?

your Computers are hidden, did you think.....

well, I don't think you need to see.
only around the 18th :)

I return to my vacation, barcelona, bla bla bla, now we know it.

who?

@who?

your Computers are hidden, did you think.....

well, I don't think you need to see.
only around the 18th :)

I return to my vacation, barcelona, bla bla bla, now we know it.

who?

my Computers can every body see, i have no Secrets...

btw i have also a Quad as you can see...

Greetings from Germany NRW
Ulli

yes and than on Linux64 bit...., with an optimized Client

i think there is going somethink

@who?

we know that you are working for Imhell, so be ....

Greetings from Germany NRW
Ulli

Well, I run 64bit Linux and optimized app on this one giving me about 15-20% advantage over win/stock-app.

Now do the calculation yourself...

Sorry, Ulli das sieht nicht gut aus.

I use both, Intel and AMD - and from my experience - Intel works better for Seti. On the other hand RieselSieve seems to favour AMD cpus...

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mic.

been waiting for barcelona so i could go get some serious crunching done,think i might get me com 64 out instead

yes and than on Linux64 bit...., with an optimized Client

i think there is going somethink

@who?

we know that you are working for Imhell, so be ....

Greetings from Germany NRW
Ulli

Just don't tell me that they beat my babies if you don't. There is a big fake hype that needs to stop, it is misleading.

oulala

The numbers keep going down now that people can check them ... Where is the 40% faster than XEONS?

who?

... and Intel has never been guilty of "fake hype"....

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been waiting for barcelona so i could go get some serious crunching done,think i might get me com 64 out instead

yes and than on Linux64 bit...., with an optimized Client

i think there is going somethink

@who?

we know that you are working for Imhell, so be ....

Greetings from Germany NRW
Ulli

Just don't tell me that they beat my babies if you don't. There is a big fake hype that needs to stop, it is misleading.

oulala

The numbers keep going down now that people can check them ... Where is the 40% faster than XEONS?

who?

... and Intel has never been guilty of "fake hype"....

All of them have been, at one time or another, plenty of 'fake hype'.

Having said that, in the early stages for sure, Barcalona (sp?) on SETI has been less than advertised.

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V1.0 of anything has problems

lets not forget dos 6.0

or the pentium that couldnt do math ( OMG Not Intel )

I say give it 6 months and we'll see

V1.0 of anything has problems

lets not forget dos 6.0

or the pentium that couldnt do math ( OMG Not Intel )

I say give it 6 months and we'll see

Core 2 Conroe rocks from the beginning. You can't claim to beat your competitor if you don't, and it is what Randy Allen and co do every day now.
He needs to get some glasses to look at the numbers.

I am sorry for the fan boys, i understand the passion going for brand A or B, i try to say it smoothly without hurting, but the fan boys were mislead by strange claims that nobody can reproduce, look at the youtube videos! 40% faster everywhere, it is where k10 was claim to be.

every time i show numbers, people can reproduce them, i actually always let them measure them.

sorry for the message, but the truth need to be known.
in 6 months, i am going to have heavy improvement too on SETI.
and yes, i want to see a custom version of SETI for K10, for fair comparaision with my sse4 version, when it gets available.


who?

The Core2 architecture performs VERY well, no one is suggesting otherwise.

We (the posting seti community) have yet to get our hands on one or two of the new opterons. We can observe a handfull, but we don't know the type of memory used, speed of it, the clockspeeds of the processors (we can theorize that they should be stock), if the power planes feature is activated and so on.

Obviously this release from AMD is not all the company (and fan base) hoped for, but I defenately think it is enough to make for an interesting fall.

It may well prove a competitive platform, price wise, for about the same performance.
Reasonable pricing of the cpus, lower power requirements & no need for FBDIMMs...

@Who?
You really don't need to prove anything, the capabilities of the Core2 architecture does not crumble to dust just because the competition stiffens a bit.

The Core2 architecture performs VERY well, no one is suggesting otherwise.

We (the posting seti community) have yet to get our hands on one or two of the new opterons. We can observe a handfull, but we don't know the type of memory used, speed of it, the clockspeeds of the processors (we can theorize that they should be stock), if the power planes feature is activated and so on.

Obviously this release from AMD is not all the company (and fan base) hoped for, but I defenately think it is enough to make for an interesting fall.

It may well prove a competitive platform, price wise, for about the same performance.
Reasonable pricing of the cpus, lower power requirements & no need for FBDIMMs...

@Who?
You really don't need to prove anything, the capabilities of the Core2 architecture does not crumble to dust just because the competition stiffens a bit.

Ahhhh, but do not forget that the Core 2 architecture is gonna stiffen a bit come the 18th.

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"Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once."

Ahhhh, but do not forget that the Core 2 architecture is gonna stiffen a bit come the 18th.

Bring it on!!
Faster = Me Happier :)

/Anton

Ahhhh, but do not forget that the Core 2 architecture is gonna stiffen a bit come the 18th.

Bring it on!!
Faster = Me Happier :)

/Anton

The kitties will be happier too!! Faster...faster....

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"Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once."

I just have one thing to say about all of this. Intel better be VERY careful that they don't put AMD out of business. Competition spurs innovation. Having AMD around is (of course) good for the AMD employees and shareholders, it is good for the public (ever faster and more capable CPUs is a good thing), and (bizarrely enough) it is good for the Intel employees and shareholders. If AMD tanks, Intel won't need as much R&D, plus they would be likely to get the Govt. snooping around because of a lack of effective competition.

It is a good thing for BOTH companies (and the rest of us as well) to trade 'the lead' back and forth periodically. And no, I am not a fan boy of either company. I buy what is the best deal at the moment that I need a new computer. Of the 5 computers that my wife and I have at the moment, 3 are Intel, 2 are AMD.

Who?: Perhaps, since it is known that you are an Intel employee, it might be best if you spent a little less time crowing about how Intel is currently in the lead, and a little bit more time watching your rear-view mirror. If AMD wrecks, Intel just might declare you redundant. :P

Remember, it is in your best interests for them to catch up and pass Intel again.

Myself, I am interested in BOTH companies' new (and soon to be released) offerings.