I love you more than you know. I think it has something to do with your funny little hat.....

dogbytes has now been elevated to 'godhood

Just don't tell Jeffery...his doG will be displeased and will deflower some more virgins. Not axtually x-rated, but educational

But you can leave your donations in the plate by the door...

...awaiting television syndication at this very moment.

The Emperior is pleased with you Robert...

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...but ignoring the racism by white people which caused the hate and violence by colored people is just bigot.

White people are not superior to colored ones. Never have been. No nation, no "race" is better or worse than others. Skin color tells you nothing about the character or "value" of a human.

You should see the whole picture: Why is the thought of "white supremacy" a rather accepted one and the colored should not be allowed to challenge it?

So this gives the "non-white"-people the legitimation to beat up whites? No? So where is the point?

As long as you don't draw a line and rate things objectively and try to solve the problems in a fair way for all sides you just create more tension. Equal means not only equal rights, but also equal obligations - that's easy forgotten.
A good example are feminists, who demand equal rights, but usually not at equal obligations. Plus they give a damn about women who want to stay at home, forcing everybody into their way of life. I am all for equal chances, but 50% quotes are for example not equal chances at all, since some women do want to stay at home. So in the end daddy is not promoted because of some silly quotes and a whole family just lost the chance for a better life. To me quite some abuse the fight vs racism for their own purpose either, which does not help the cause at all.

I pesonally see it this way: I am not responsible for what happened in the Nazi era, even if I am a German. I am also not responsible for what happened in the Inquisition, even if I am a catholic. But I for sure have the responsibility to make sure such things don't happen again. And it's the same way with racism. No "non-white" person has the right to "pay back" the same way. Injustice is injustice - regardless of the color of your skin or the language you speak or religious believes.

The Nazis who committed crimes in the Nazi era, the racists, who committed crimes in the past, who were not brought to justice, religious fanatics committing crimes - all those need to get their punishment. Just because they committed crimes not all Germans / Whites / Catholics / Muslims, whatever are guilty since there is no clan liability .

So it's not about ignoring - it's about true equality.
And yes, I do support equal chances regardless of the color of your skin and I do know that it's not been achieved. I just think that an eye for an eye won't solve this problem and can't be justified.

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If a group of six white kids beat up a black kid, they get hung from the yard arm as racists. If six black kids beat up a white kid, they get a massive protest in their support, along with all the black activists jumping in to soak up the gravy??? I would call them professional pimps.

Please don't insult good honest hard working pimps by lumping them in with such people.............

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Two wrongs don't make a right...plain and simple.

The main issue at Jena is "equal rights under the law." That includes everyone. That being the case, those white kids should have been charged with claas B felonies; if the black kid get murder charges thrown at him for using a lethal weapon like a tennis shoe. Let's get real peeps...

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Agreed, the whole issue is sick. Either the white boys are racists or simply stupid - just wondering what their parents do about it. They should have had received a serious punishment like 100h social service or a few day in jail to give them time to think about what they have done. But the main problem is that the law system in the US is pretty sure pretty messed up. On the other hand I don't know how serious the injuries of the white boy were and 6 vs 1 is also an issue. So in the end maybe the charges would be justified, depending on the injuries of the boy. Someone knows how serious he was injured?

Agreed, the whole issue is sick. Either the white boys are racists or simply stupid - just wondering what their parents do about it. They should have had received a serious punishment like 100h social service or a few day in jail to give them time to think about what they have done. But the main problem is that the law system in the US is pretty sure pretty messed up. On the other hand I don't know how serious the injuries of the white boy were and 6 vs 1 is also an issue. So in the end maybe the charges would be justified, depending on the injuries of the boy. Someone knows how serious he was injured?

Serious bruising...got the crap kicked out of him.

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Agreed, the whole issue is sick. Either the white boys are racists or simply stupid - just wondering what their parents do about it. They should have had received a serious punishment like 100h social service or a few day in jail to give them time to think about what they have done. But the main problem is that the law system in the US is pretty sure pretty messed up. On the other hand I don't know how serious the injuries of the white boy were and 6 vs 1 is also an issue. So in the end maybe the charges would be justified, depending on the injuries of the boy. Someone knows how serious he was injured?

Serious bruising...got the crap kicked out of him.

Yep....and as someone else posted a day or 2 ago the 2 incidents are NOT related. The whites that hung nooses in that tree were suspended immediately according to school rules about harassing behavior and so forth. I don't think any criminal laws were breached but IF....if...they were, charge them.

I DO KNOW WHAT IS A CRIME....and that is picking out some white kid apparently at random and beating the snot out of him for no good reason but 'vengeance'....THAT'S the hate crime if there ever was one.

Now 50,000 'activists' are assaulting this poor town of 3,000 and turning it upside down for political purposes.

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Agreed, the whole issue is sick. Either the white boys are racists or simply stupid - just wondering what their parents do about it. They should have had received a serious punishment like 100h social service or a few day in jail to give them time to think about what they have done. But the main problem is that the law system in the US is pretty sure pretty messed up. On the other hand I don't know how serious the injuries of the white boy were and 6 vs 1 is also an issue. So in the end maybe the charges would be justified, depending on the injuries of the boy. Someone knows how serious he was injured?

Serious bruising...got the crap kicked out of him.

Yep....and as someone else posted a day or 2 ago the 2 incidents are NOT related. The whites that hung nooses in that tree were suspended immediately according to school rules about harassing behavior and so forth. I don't think any criminal laws were breached but IF....if...they were, charge them.

I DO KNOW WHAT IS A CRIME....and that is picking out some white kid apparently at random and beating the snot out of him for no good reason but 'vengeance'....THAT'S the hate crime if there ever was one.

Now 50,000 'activists' are assaulting this poor town of 3,000 and turning it upside down for political purposes.

A display of nooses is a threat of physical violence and is also a hate crime. Both sides have enough blame, and both sides should have appropriate penalties. If the suspension of the 6 white boys was sufficient, then fellonies for the blacks is too severe. If the felonies for the blacks is appropriate, then the suspensions for the whites was too light. My bet is that someplace in the middle is appropriate for both.

Yes, two wrongs do not make a right, but I can understand the vastly different treatment of the two wrongs being upsetting.

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A display of nooses is a threat of physical violence and is also a hate crime. Both sides have enough blame, and both sides should have appropriate penalties. If the suspension of the 6 white boys was sufficient, then fellonies for the blacks is too severe. If the felonies for the blacks is appropriate, then the suspensions for the whites was too light. My bet is that someplace in the middle is appropriate for both.

Yes, two wrongs do not make a right, but I can understand the vastly different treatment of the two wrongs being upsetting.

Ohferjeebussakes.

The law makes distinctions between different types of crime. In this case, the "two wrongs," are not parallel, and should not be punished similarly. Like it or not, nooses aren't even an overt threat. They are symbols, not a sign or a personalized letter that says "I'll kill you." In fact, the threat is in the eye of the beholder--anyone can walk past them and make of them what they will. While tasteless to some observers, they don't even rise to the level of simple assault because they are generalized and do not by themselves present a imminent threat of physical harm.

Conversely, a physical beating is a direct assault and battery on a specific individual. Depending on the level of injury, or the use of a weapon, assault and battery can become aggravated assault and battery.

Certainly one can discuss the relative merits of prescribed punishments in relation to crimes committed, but suggesting that a tasteless expression of free speech is somehow akin to felony assault, or that the two crimes in this case deserve similar punishment, is ludicrous.

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Is it too much to ask for people to refrain from attacking others in the schoolyard because of the color of their skin?

As stated earlier, these 2 incidences are unrelated. A poor white boy was beaten because of the color of his skin.

A display of nooses is a threat of physical violence and is also a hate crime. Both sides have enough blame, and both sides should have appropriate penalties. If the suspension of the 6 white boys was sufficient, then fellonies for the blacks is too severe. If the felonies for the blacks is appropriate, then the suspensions for the whites was too light. My bet is that someplace in the middle is appropriate for both.

Yes, two wrongs do not make a right, but I can understand the vastly different treatment of the two wrongs being upsetting.

Ohferjeebussakes.

The law makes distinctions between different types of crime. In this case, the "two wrongs," are not parallel, and should not be punished similarly. Like it or not, nooses aren't even an overt threat. They are symbols, not a sign or a personalized letter that says "I'll kill you." In fact, the threat is in the eye of the beholder--anyone can walk past them and make of them what they will. While tasteless to some observers, they don't even rise to the level of simple assault because they are generalized and do not by themselves present a imminent threat of physical harm.

Conversely, a physical beating is a direct assault and battery on a specific individual. Depending on the level of injury, or the use of a weapon, assault and battery can become aggravated assault and battery.

Certainly one can discuss the relative merits of prescribed punishments in relation to crimes committed, but suggesting that a tasteless expression of free speech is somehow akin to felony assault, or that the two crimes in this case deserve similar punishment, is ludicrous.

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Is it too much to ask for people to refrain from attacking others in the schoolyard [snip]

Hmm... I dunno... Is it? ;)

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Is it too much to ask for people to refrain from attacking others in the schoolyard [snip]

Hmm... I dunno... Is it? ;)

That's as good a place as any for you to play the "victim."

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That's as good a place as any for you to play the "victim."

Woof woof... ;)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

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6 vs 1 is also an issue
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I have one thing about this 6 Vs. 1. Hardly a fair fight in most situations. To me that says one thing.

Individually the 6 are cowards and need numbers to feel tough and big. And this has nothing to do with colour/race/culture etc.

Like most school bullies I knew back in my school days. They never worked alone, they were in gangs and to beat you they used numbers. They themselves were not necessarily tougher, but their numbers gave them strength.

So to me, these 6 are not real men. They are cowards picking on the weak through simple numbers. If they think they can prove something then 1 Vs 1 or 6 Vs 6. Make it fair.

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Individually the 6 are cowards and need numbers to feel tough and big.

Now where have I seen this sort of behavior before... Hmm, let me think for a minute... ;)

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Individually the 6 are cowards and need numbers to feel tough and big.

Now where have I seen this sort of behavior before... Hmm, let me think for a minute... ;)

Probably just about everywhere and anywhere and in my case at school, where I experienced it myself. My point stands, regardless of who they are. If you read closely I said it has nothing to do with colour/race/culture etc. If 6 'white men' ganged up on a single 'black/yellow/orange/red/green' man, I would still call those 6 cowards. The six whites who are accused of the crimes against a single black women. I find them to be cowards and sick. If they truly did it they need to be dealt with most severely to make it clear it is wrong. By the same token had the 'colours' been reversed (six black males doing this to a white women) I would still demand the exact same thing and I would think of them exactly the same.

If you want to read racism into my post then that is your choice. If you want to read into more than there really is, that's your choice.

And if you wish to accuse me of something, then be clear and forthright and say it, not hint at it.

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Never surrender and never give up. In the darkest hour there is always hope.

If you want to read into more than there really is, that's your choice.

I was referring to the 'forum bullies'... Nothing more... ;)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

A display of nooses is a threat of physical violence and is also a hate crime. Both sides have enough blame, and both sides should have appropriate penalties. If the suspension of the 6 white boys was sufficient, then fellonies for the blacks is too severe. If the felonies for the blacks is appropriate, then the suspensions for the whites was too light. My bet is that someplace in the middle is appropriate for both.

Yes, two wrongs do not make a right, but I can understand the vastly different treatment of the two wrongs being upsetting.

Ohferjeebussakes.

The law makes distinctions between different types of crime. In this case, the "two wrongs," are not parallel, and should not be punished similarly. Like it or not, nooses aren't even an overt threat. They are symbols, not a sign or a personalized letter that says "I'll kill you." In fact, the threat is in the eye of the beholder--anyone can walk past them and make of them what they will. While tasteless to some observers, they don't even rise to the level of simple assault because they are generalized and do not by themselves present a imminent threat of physical harm.

Conversely, a physical beating is a direct assault and battery on a specific individual. Depending on the level of injury, or the use of a weapon, assault and battery can become aggravated assault and battery.

Certainly one can discuss the relative merits of prescribed punishments in relation to crimes committed, but suggesting that a tasteless expression of free speech is somehow akin to felony assault, or that the two crimes in this case deserve similar punishment, is ludicrous.

Lets see, the whites involved get the lightest possible treatment.

The blacks involved are threatened with the heaviest possible treatment.

See any disparity here?

Nooses are an overt threat. They were used for lynchings for almost a hundred years. It is the threat of another lynching.

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Certainly one can discuss the relative merits of prescribed punishments in relation to crimes committed, but suggesting that a tasteless expression of free speech is somehow akin to felony assault, or that the two crimes in this case deserve similar punishment, is ludicrous.

Yell "FIRE" at a crowded indoor concert venue and see how far your "free speech" will get you...all the way to the gurney.

Start a riot where people get killed and see Ol' Sparky light up...there are
de facto limits to free speech in even the most democratic institutions. There
is a line between freedom of speech and civil responsibility.

In countries where the death penalty has been abolished, the above pranks wiil
get you up to life in prison.

I'm not putting down you opinion, but only adding more scope to it.

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Well, I have to agree with John, here.
Rush, with the given history in the US a noose is probably similar to Nazi symbols in Germany. You receive serious punishment, up to jail for using them and that's IMHO, what those guys deserve, especially because "it's a tree for whites" simply reminds of apartheid.

Personally I see a discrepancy here, the white guys got away too cheap.
Still even a attempt murder charge for the black guys would be fair, if the poor guy was injured so heavy, that his life was endangered.