Just seen this news item on the Washington Post Radio Telescope And Its Budget Hang in the Balance

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Just seen this news item on the Washington Post Radio Telescope And Its Budget Hang in the Balance

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Andy

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It's not in the wrong place - and it's an outstanding article find !!!

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oh dear oh dear thats not good news at all is it ?

i think his idea at the end to sell advertising space to google on the collector is as good an idea as any :-)

not much i can do here in the UK about it but any americans reading it should consider petitioning government perhaps ?

regards

adream

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I tried to defend Arecibo against termination in an Einstein@home message board and was violently contrasted. I then understood it was not a scientific problem but a political problem. Not being an American, I backed out. But I still think that shutting down Arecibo would be a folly.
Tullio

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Wow.. not good.. I really hope they find the funds.. closing Arecibo would be a huge loss to all, whether or not they are concerned about the importance of it..

*sadface* :(

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Not the most welcome of news admittedly.

However, how many of us are there already helping S@H with our time and computers.Annually I spend about £300 (that is equal to approximately $550) running my computers so, if I switch my computers off for 12 days during the year, or one day per month, I could donate the money I spend on electricity to S@H. That would be a total of about $18.

So the crunching of WU's would slow down by a few million per annum. My average number of WU's per day lies at about 10-12. So if everyone did the same we could easily raise the funds Arecibo needs to continue and not damage the project.

My thoughts are that if politics get in the way We the people should vote with our feet, words and actions. (That does not include ACTS of Terrorism)

I Don't Want Seti@Home to Close, Personally I have Invested 1000's of computing hours into the project because I want an answer to one of the greatest enigmas to mankind......IS THERE INTELLIGENT LIFE OUT.......?

So who will join me in digging in to support S@H and build an action plan to assist in the best way possible?

Kind Regards to everyone
Greg.

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Bad news indeed. How can people not living in the U.S. ( like myself )help ?
As I understand it, it`s a matter of lack of money - So why not start a team - fundraising ? Send e-mails to all the "Teamcaptains" out there, everyone of them could post this issue in his teamforum in the language of his country for those members not speaking English, and therefore not knowing what`s up !

Please let me know if I´m right, and I´ll be the first to contact my teammates ! ( I´m NOT teamcaptain, but I`ll post in our forum )


Regards

Kurt

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it could be a good idea to approach the big companys like google, intel, amd, or microsoft and the like. this is a pretty big advertiseing space .. so what if the dish says Microsoft or intel accross it .. bill gates has like 90 billion whats a few million a year and the reconition that they helped find life out there worth in to them in the long run

imageine the boost in processing power if intel or amd were to sponser

Bad news indeed. How can people not living in the U.S. ( like myself )help ?
As I understand it, it`s a matter of lack of money - So why not start a team - fundraising ? Send e-mails to all the "Teamcaptains" out there, everyone of them could post this issue in his teamforum in the language of his country for those members not speaking English, and therefore not knowing what`s up !

From what I get it's not only a question of lesser money, but also a question of how it's distributed between the many projects - and that's rather political.
Sure, more money would be better, but first someone has to tell the people who descide how to descide. Maybe they just don't know how imprtant Arecibo is...

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mic.

it could be a good idea to approach the big companys like google, intel, amd, or microsoft and the like. this is a pretty big advertiseing space .. so what if the dish says Microsoft or intel accross it .. bill gates has like 90 billion whats a few million a year and the reconition that they helped find life out there worth in to them in the long run

This:

...Funded at about $2 million by a separate NSF division, the center studies the impacts of solar flares on satellite and cellphone communication;...

sounds like Nokia could be a potential sponsor, too.

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mic.

sounds like Nokia could be a potential sponsor, too.

That's a good idea. :)

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Manned mission to Mars in 2019 Petition <-- Sign this, please.

Some Golden Arches might work [More cash to throw around]. Then ET might phone ahead for a happy meal :D ... they do like beef and strawberry thickshakes after all...

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"Living by the wisdom of computer science doesn't sound so bad after all. And unlike most advice, it's backed up by proofs." -- Algorithms to live by: The computer science of human decisions.

it could be a good idea to approach the big companys like google, intel, amd, or microsoft and the like. this is a pretty big advertiseing space .. so what if the dish says Microsoft or intel accross it .. bill gates has like 90 billion whats a few million a year and the reconition that they helped find life out there worth in to them in the long run

I believe I read somewhere that Microsoft co-founder Paul Allen donates money to SETI@Home. I don't know how he'd feel about getting hit up for more money. Might be worth a shot though.

imageine the boost in processing power if intel or amd were to sponser

Somebody can correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Intel already donate a server or two?

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it could be a good idea to approach the big companys like google, intel, amd, or microsoft and the like. this is a pretty big advertiseing space .. so what if the dish says Microsoft or intel accross it .. bill gates has like 90 billion whats a few million a year and the reconition that they helped find life out there worth in to them in the long run

I believe I read somewhere that Microsoft co-founder Paul Allen donates money to SETI@Home. I don't know how he'd feel about getting hit up for more money. Might be worth a shot though.

imageine the boost in processing power if intel or amd were to sponser

Somebody can correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Intel already donate a server or two?

If you go the SETI Institute home page you'll find a description of the Allen radio telescope array which is being built for SETI. See www.seti.org
Tullio

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I believe I read somewhere that Microsoft co-founder Paul Allen donates money to SETI@Home. I don't know how he'd feel about getting hit up for more money. Might be worth a shot though.
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imagine the boost in processing power if intel or amd were to sponser

Somebody can correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Intel already donate a server or two?

Aren't we talking about Aricebo ? ... or both Aricebo and Seti@home? [ On Aricebo.. I DO find it quite odd that authorities would even consider dismantling a PRODUCTIVE and OPERATIONAL facility in favour of basically untested ones... that won't serve AT LEAST the same function ]

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"Living by the wisdom of computer science doesn't sound so bad after all. And unlike most advice, it's backed up by proofs." -- Algorithms to live by: The computer science of human decisions.

sounds like Nokia could be a potential sponsor, too.

That's a good idea. :)

Or Verizon. . .

"Can you hear me now?"

(From a Verizon Wireless ad campagn for those outside their advertising radius.)

Aren't we talking about Aricebo ? ... or both Aricebo and Seti@home? [ On Aricebo.. I DO find it quite odd that authorities would even consider dismantling a PRODUCTIVE and OPERATIONAL facility in favour of basically untested ones... that won't serve AT LEAST the same function ]

Well, this thread is about Arecibo, but SETI@Home needs funding too.

My comments, since you replied to me, were simply stating that since some celebrities (or millionaires) already donate to 'the cause' in general, they might feel it unnecessary to donate more or feel that others should join in the cause too. Of course, I'm only speculating, I cannot speak for any of them.

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Aren't we talking about Aricebo ? ... or both Aricebo and Seti@home? [ On Aricebo.. I DO find it quite odd that authorities would even consider dismantling a PRODUCTIVE and OPERATIONAL facility in favour of basically untested ones... that won't serve AT LEAST the same function ]

Well, this thread is about Arecibo, but SETI@Home needs funding too.

My comments, since you replied to me, were simply stating that since some celebrities (or millionaires) already donate to 'the cause' in general, they might feel it unnecessary to donate more or feel that others should join in the cause too. Of course, I'm only speculating, I cannot speak for any of them.

Oh I agree wholeheartedly there.

[Rant_Mode] I would like to add that the current situation whereby many of the sciences are forced to compete for rather limited budgets 'kindof sucks' (In My Opinion), and that maybe a reunion of efforts (and perhaps the scientific community as a whole) is needed. Aricebo, as described in the article, has been at the forefront in many fields (and involved with major discoveries) since it was built so I am more than a little curious that new projects seem to be 'forced to' compete with Aricebo for funding, rather than recognising and prioritising it as a critical component of productive science.

Seems like 'Cutting their nose off to spite their face'

Similarly Seti@home also provided the 'Original' DC project leading to the development of the Boinc Infrastructure, forms the largest userbase [Many of whom do crunch for other projects, may not if seti@home ceased], and an effective testbed for technologies used by ALL the other projects...

Some of the strangest seemingly insignificant scientific endeavours have formed .... *gasp* I need a lie down and a cup of tea now ...
[/Rant_Mode]

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"Living by the wisdom of computer science doesn't sound so bad after all. And unlike most advice, it's backed up by proofs." -- Algorithms to live by: The computer science of human decisions.

Aren't we talking about Aricebo ? ... or both Aricebo and Seti@home?

I'm afraid they are hand in hand. If Arecibo goes down, where would Seti get the data to process?

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"Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once."

Aren't we talking about Aricebo ? ... or both Aricebo and Seti@home?

I'm afraid they are hand in hand. If Arecibo goes down, where would Seti get the data to process?

LOL I was worried about that too, just can't handle more than one set of grave concerns at once... I was initially more concerned about ALL the science that would go down the tube if Aricebo closed.

As for Seti@home getting data ...
Word has it there'll soon be some used atomic clocks, radio receivers and assorted highly specialised equipment going to auction...[Aricebo's] . Anyone know anything about interferometry? [ half a million extremely small dishes ....]

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"Living by the wisdom of computer science doesn't sound so bad after all. And unlike most advice, it's backed up by proofs." -- Algorithms to live by: The computer science of human decisions.