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Message 633393 - Posted: 4 Sep 2007, 14:31:18 UTC - in response to Message 633349.  

Last nigth i upgraded from 5.10.13 to 5.10.20 (recomended).

Since that i have a problem... The completed WU's are uploaded correctly, but don't reported automatically as with the 5.10.13. The WU's are stay in 'ready to report' until I press manually the 'update' button.



They have changed to report rules . It is in the changelogs a couple of posts down. It can now take up to a day before a result is reported.

I see in the change log:

- client: allow up to a day (rather than work_buf_min()) to elapsed between completing a result and reporting it.

What determines the "up to a day" value of the delay?
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Message 633401 - Posted: 4 Sep 2007, 14:41:47 UTC - in response to Message 633393.  

What determines the "up to a day" value of the delay?

There are 4 or 5 reasons why the client will contact the server (to get more work, for example). If none of those reasons occurs, then the client will wait up to a maximum of 24 hours before reporting.

This change occurred with 5.10.14. With 5.10.13 and earlier, setting your connect time to 0 provides the same behavior as Return Results Immediately.



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Message 633421 - Posted: 4 Sep 2007, 15:10:11 UTC - in response to Message 633401.  
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What determines the "up to a day" value of the delay?

There are 4 or 5 reasons why the client will contact the server (to get more work, for example). If none of those reasons occurs, then the client will wait up to a maximum of 24 hours before reporting.

This change occurred with 5.10.14. With 5.10.13 and earlier, setting your connect time to 0 provides the same behavior as Return Results Immediately.




I have this parameter set to 0. If I'm not wrong, if you don't return results, no more work is allowed to you until then... And that means what who has set to 0 this parameter only can have new WU's every 24 hours... isn't it?
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Message 633430 - Posted: 4 Sep 2007, 15:25:17 UTC - in response to Message 633421.  

What determines the "up to a day" value of the delay?

There are 4 or 5 reasons why the client will contact the server (to get more work, for example). If none of those reasons occurs, then the client will wait up to a maximum of 24 hours before reporting.

This change occurred with 5.10.14. With 5.10.13 and earlier, setting your connect time to 0 provides the same behavior as Return Results Immediately.




I have this parameter set to 0. If I'm not wrong, if you don't return results, no more work is allowed to you until then... And that means what who has set to 0 this parameter only can have new WU's every 24 hours... isn't it?


If you set connect time to 0, then you should also set "Maintain enough work for an additional" to manage the amount of work downloaded in your queue. I generally use .1 or .2 days.
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Message 633443 - Posted: 4 Sep 2007, 15:52:06 UTC - in response to Message 633430.  

What determines the "up to a day" value of the delay?

There are 4 or 5 reasons why the client will contact the server (to get more work, for example). If none of those reasons occurs, then the client will wait up to a maximum of 24 hours before reporting.

This change occurred with 5.10.14. With 5.10.13 and earlier, setting your connect time to 0 provides the same behavior as Return Results Immediately.




I have this parameter set to 0. If I'm not wrong, if you don't return results, no more work is allowed to you until then... And that means what who has set to 0 this parameter only can have new WU's every 24 hours... isn't it?


If you set connect time to 0, then you should also set "Maintain enough work for an additional" to manage the amount of work downloaded in your queue. I generally use .1 or .2 days.



I know. I have a few days of work on my cache... I was thinking, if you have only .1 or .2 extra days and your WU's are procesed faster than expected, in a few hours (or minutes) by diferent circumstances (as usual), you don't have more work until 24 hours later... I think in the 'set and forget' users...

I think that give to them a lot of time without work to process... A waste of time for the science... Don't believe...?
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Message 633446 - Posted: 4 Sep 2007, 15:58:17 UTC - in response to Message 633443.  

What determines the "up to a day" value of the delay?

There are 4 or 5 reasons why the client will contact the server (to get more work, for example). If none of those reasons occurs, then the client will wait up to a maximum of 24 hours before reporting.

This change occurred with 5.10.14. With 5.10.13 and earlier, setting your connect time to 0 provides the same behavior as Return Results Immediately.




I have this parameter set to 0. If I'm not wrong, if you don't return results, no more work is allowed to you until then... And that means what who has set to 0 this parameter only can have new WU's every 24 hours... isn't it?


If you set connect time to 0, then you should also set "Maintain enough work for an additional" to manage the amount of work downloaded in your queue. I generally use .1 or .2 days.



I know. I have a few days of work on my cache... I was thinking, if you have only .1 or .2 extra days and your WU's are procesed faster than expected, in a few hours (or minutes) by diferent circumstances (as usual), you don't have more work until 24 hours later... I think in the 'set and forget' users...

I think that give to them a lot of time without work to process... A waste of time for the science... Don't believe...?


Boinc will try to contact the server for more work as your cache runs down, it will not wait for 24 hours if you need work and your connect time is set to a very low value.

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Message 633456 - Posted: 4 Sep 2007, 16:15:00 UTC - in response to Message 633446.  

What determines the "up to a day" value of the delay?

There are 4 or 5 reasons why the client will contact the server (to get more work, for example). If none of those reasons occurs, then the client will wait up to a maximum of 24 hours before reporting.

This change occurred with 5.10.14. With 5.10.13 and earlier, setting your connect time to 0 provides the same behavior as Return Results Immediately.




I have this parameter set to 0. If I'm not wrong, if you don't return results, no more work is allowed to you until then... And that means what who has set to 0 this parameter only can have new WU's every 24 hours... isn't it?


If you set connect time to 0, then you should also set "Maintain enough work for an additional" to manage the amount of work downloaded in your queue. I generally use .1 or .2 days.



I know. I have a few days of work on my cache... I was thinking, if you have only .1 or .2 extra days and your WU's are procesed faster than expected, in a few hours (or minutes) by diferent circumstances (as usual), you don't have more work until 24 hours later... I think in the 'set and forget' users...

I think that give to them a lot of time without work to process... A waste of time for the science... Don't believe...?


Boinc will try to contact the server for more work as your cache runs down, it will not wait for 24 hours if you need work and your connect time is set to a very low value.



Hi Msattler!

I think, in the new 5.10.20 version, BOINC wait 24 hours...



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Message 633457 - Posted: 4 Sep 2007, 16:15:58 UTC - in response to Message 633443.  

What determines the "up to a day" value of the delay?

There are 4 or 5 reasons why the client will contact the server (to get more work, for example). If none of those reasons occurs, then the client will wait up to a maximum of 24 hours before reporting.

This change occurred with 5.10.14. With 5.10.13 and earlier, setting your connect time to 0 provides the same behavior as Return Results Immediately.




I have this parameter set to 0. If I'm not wrong, if you don't return results, no more work is allowed to you until then... And that means what who has set to 0 this parameter only can have new WU's every 24 hours... isn't it?


If you set connect time to 0, then you should also set "Maintain enough work for an additional" to manage the amount of work downloaded in your queue. I generally use .1 or .2 days.



I know. I have a few days of work on my cache... I was thinking, if you have only .1 or .2 extra days and your WU's are procesed faster than expected, in a few hours (or minutes) by diferent circumstances (as usual), you don't have more work until 24 hours later... I think in the 'set and forget' users...

I think that give to them a lot of time without work to process... A waste of time for the science... Don't believe...?


Ah, I misunderstood your question. No, BOINC will not wait 24 hours to get more work when it runs out. This is true for both .13- and .14+ versions.
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Message 633463 - Posted: 4 Sep 2007, 16:23:57 UTC - in response to Message 633457.  

What determines the "up to a day" value of the delay?

There are 4 or 5 reasons why the client will contact the server (to get more work, for example). If none of those reasons occurs, then the client will wait up to a maximum of 24 hours before reporting.

This change occurred with 5.10.14. With 5.10.13 and earlier, setting your connect time to 0 provides the same behavior as Return Results Immediately.




I have this parameter set to 0. If I'm not wrong, if you don't return results, no more work is allowed to you until then... And that means what who has set to 0 this parameter only can have new WU's every 24 hours... isn't it?


If you set connect time to 0, then you should also set "Maintain enough work for an additional" to manage the amount of work downloaded in your queue. I generally use .1 or .2 days.



I know. I have a few days of work on my cache... I was thinking, if you have only .1 or .2 extra days and your WU's are procesed faster than expected, in a few hours (or minutes) by diferent circumstances (as usual), you don't have more work until 24 hours later... I think in the 'set and forget' users...

I think that give to them a lot of time without work to process... A waste of time for the science... Don't believe...?


Ah, I misunderstood your question. No, BOINC will not wait 24 hours to get more work when it runs out. This is true for both .13- and .14+ versions.


Aaah... I was thinking (reading the changelog) this feature was implemented in the 5.10.20 too... Sorry...
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Message 633464 - Posted: 4 Sep 2007, 16:29:32 UTC - in response to Message 633463.  


Aaah... I was thinking (reading the changelog) this feature was implemented in the 5.10.20 too... Sorry...


I think the feature IS in 5.10.20, but if I understand it correctly, it means that Boinc CAN wait for up to 24 hours to report results, not that it MUST wait 24 hours. If you need work and your connect setting allows it, Boinc will still ask for work. If you do not need work, it may wait up to 24 hours before it connects just to report completed results.

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Message 633465 - Posted: 4 Sep 2007, 16:30:47 UTC - in response to Message 633456.  

I think, in the new 5.10.20 version, BOINC wait 24 hours...

BOINC will wait 24 hours before reporting, if there's no other reason to connect earlier, like asking for more work...

Asking for more work will happen just like before, every time amont of cached work drops below cache-setting. The only difference is:

"cache-size" = "connect every N days" + "Maintain enough work for an additional N days".


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Message 633470 - Posted: 4 Sep 2007, 19:44:30 UTC

Just posted my opinion of this new 'feature' over on the BOINC CC board.

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Message 633510 - Posted: 4 Sep 2007, 20:44:53 UTC

blimey, more updates than me having hot lunches, wots with the servers, everytime i seem to log onto this site it always seems to be down?
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Message 633524 - Posted: 4 Sep 2007, 21:02:42 UTC - in response to Message 633510.  

blimey, more updates than me having hot lunches, wots with the servers, everytime i seem to log onto this site it always seems to be down?



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Message 633576 - Posted: 4 Sep 2007, 21:44:37 UTC - in response to Message 633510.  

blimey, more updates than me having hot lunches


You do know that you don't have to update to every new version (it's good practice in general, but it isn't required), right?

, wots with the servers, everytime i seem to log onto this site it always seems to be down?


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Message 633598 - Posted: 4 Sep 2007, 21:53:59 UTC - in response to Message 633576.  

blimey, more updates than me having hot lunches


You do know that you don't have to update to every new version (it's good practice in general, but it isn't required), right?

What's with the servers, everytime I seem to log onto this site it always seems to be down?


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Message 634372 - Posted: 5 Sep 2007, 22:39:06 UTC

I'm testing the new '24 hours' feature since two days... My cache is decreasing and BOINC don't ask for new work... Only reports every 24 hours after complete next WU before last connect... I have set the preferences 0 days to connect and 10 days of extra work...

I send you more news tomorrow after connecting, but this appears BOINC new version don´t request new work until the cache is empty...
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Message 634389 - Posted: 5 Sep 2007, 22:57:04 UTC - in response to Message 633465.  

I think, in the new 5.10.20 version, BOINC wait 24 hours...

BOINC will wait 24 hours before reporting, if there's no other reason to connect earlier, like asking for more work...

Asking for more work will happen just like before, every time amont of cached work drops below cache-setting. The only difference is:

"cache-size" = "connect every N days" + "Maintain enough work for an additional N days".


In 5.10.20 work will be reported at the first of:

1) More work is needed (a work fetch is generated).
2) 24 hours before deadline.
3) Connect interval (Connect every X) before deadline.
4) 24 hours after completion of a task.
5) A manual connection.

Batching things reduces the load on the database server.


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Message 634390 - Posted: 5 Sep 2007, 22:57:25 UTC - in response to Message 634372.  

I'm testing the new '24 hours' feature since two days... My cache is decreasing and BOINC don't ask for new work... Only reports every 24 hours after complete next WU before last connect... I have set the preferences 0 days to connect and 10 days of extra work...

I send you more news tomorrow after connecting, but this appears BOINC new version don´t request new work until the cache is empty...


Stone the crows!! That's where all the WU's went - 10 day's worth on a C2D.
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Message 634406 - Posted: 5 Sep 2007, 23:17:50 UTC - in response to Message 634390.  

I'm testing the new '24 hours' feature since two days... My cache is decreasing and BOINC don't ask for new work... Only reports every 24 hours after complete next WU before last connect... I have set the preferences 0 days to connect and 10 days of extra work...

I send you more news tomorrow after connecting, but this appears BOINC new version don´t request new work until the cache is empty...


Stone the crows!! That's where all the WU's went - 10 day's worth on a C2D.

No... I have 10 days set since a month or two and when i have 5.10.13, BOING only request a few WU's every time when it needed to complete the cache...

If the new version runs like apeears... when BOINC decides to request more WU's my cache could be empty and that means a lot of WU's to request...
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