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MrGray Send message Joined: 17 Aug 05 Posts: 3170 Credit: 60,411 RAC: 0 |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3jk4kJG1Sg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2XlEoiqX2U http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4L5f9qlqBRw "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss |
Darth Dogbytes™ Send message Joined: 30 Jul 03 Posts: 7512 Credit: 2,021,148 RAC: 0 |
So what else is new...I've been saying the same thing for several years now. The one honorable person in the whole lot really got shafted...Colin Powell. Account frozen... |
John McLeod VII Send message Joined: 15 Jul 99 Posts: 24806 Credit: 790,712 RAC: 0 |
There is an end in sight. When the next president is inaugurated in about a year and a half, all of these people will leave. BOINC WIKI |
thorin belvrog Send message Joined: 29 Sep 06 Posts: 6418 Credit: 8,893 RAC: 0 |
There is an end in sight. When the next president is inaugurated in about a year and a half, all of these people will leave. And - if it's the wrong president, he'll replace them with people of the same kind but worse... Account frozen... |
Jon (nanoreid) Send message Joined: 16 Aug 07 Posts: 643 Credit: 583,870 RAC: 0 |
There is an end in sight. When the next president is inaugurated in about a year and a half, all of these people will leave. I shudder to think what might be worse than what we have now. How is the living in Germany right now? I may be looking to transplant my family and I might have a few relatives over there. Hopefully the cosmos is not trying to reverse the charges. Moderation in all things. |
Jon (nanoreid) Send message Joined: 16 Aug 07 Posts: 643 Credit: 583,870 RAC: 0 |
So what else is new...I've been saying the same thing for several years now. Agreed. This whole debacle totally ruined his chances of ever running for president. On the plus side, Condi Rice has been exposed for the idiot she is. Hopefully the cosmos is not trying to reverse the charges. Moderation in all things. |
thorin belvrog Send message Joined: 29 Sep 06 Posts: 6418 Credit: 8,893 RAC: 0 |
There is an end in sight. When the next president is inaugurated in about a year and a half, all of these people will leave. Well, if you're colored then there are some areas especially in East Germany you better not move to. Strangely racism is strong in some towns. In Saxony the right-wing parties are even in the Landtag (=kind of state parliament) Account frozen... |
RichaG Send message Joined: 20 May 99 Posts: 1690 Credit: 19,287,294 RAC: 36 |
There is an end in sight. When the next president is inaugurated in about a year and a half, all of these people will leave. Well you don't need to worry you are in Germany! Red Bull Air Racing Gas price by zip at Seti |
thorin belvrog Send message Joined: 29 Sep 06 Posts: 6418 Credit: 8,893 RAC: 0 |
There is an end in sight. When the next president is inaugurated in about a year and a half, all of these people will leave. Actually I have to worry... What if the next president says Germany is on the "Axis of Evil" because of not supporting his war policy? Account frozen... |
Rush Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 3131 Credit: 302,569 RAC: 0 |
Actually I have to worry... What if the next president says Germany is on the "Axis of Evil" because of not supporting his war policy? Well, since it's just political rhetoric, what if? So what if he says that? Cordially, Rush elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com Remove the obvious... |
Darth Dogbytes™ Send message Joined: 30 Jul 03 Posts: 7512 Credit: 2,021,148 RAC: 0 |
Actually I have to worry... What if the next president says Germany is on the "Axis of Evil" because of not supporting his war policy? ...you just ignore it like the babblings of an idiot. Account frozen... |
thorin belvrog Send message Joined: 29 Sep 06 Posts: 6418 Credit: 8,893 RAC: 0 |
Actually I have to worry... What if the next president says Germany is on the "Axis of Evil" because of not supporting his war policy? Well, in my eyes all warmongers are idiots, so this suggestion may be right :D Account frozen... |
Fuzzy Hollynoodles Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 9659 Credit: 251,998 RAC: 0 |
... I don't know if Germany is better or worse than most countries in Europe to live in. We see more and more polarized conditions here with increasing racism because of the immigration from Middle Eastern countries and from Muslim Asian countries as Pakistan. As Caucasian Americans I don't think you and your family will face any problems, on the contrary, if you can provide working capacity in areas where we need skilled labours and highly educated people, like doctors, nurses, engineers, IT professionals, or such. If you can't offer work capacity we need, then you will have high risk of facing unemployment, and the situation is different though. And if you are not Caucasian or look Middle Eastern or Asian, the situation will be different. Then you will have to face discrimination and you might have to accept work in areas where they have problems hiring people to. Here, in Denmark, the unemployment rate at the moment is the lowest it has been for more than 35 years, I don't know if it's the same in Germany. If it is the same, then it should be easy to get work. But be prepared for a lot of cultural differences. I don't even know how easy it is for people, who are not "invited" to come and work here in Europe because they have special working capacity, to get in, EU is pretty strict about immigration. Here, as an American, you'd have to marry a Dane to be allowed to stay here permanently, unless, again, if you have been hired for a job where the employer can document to the authorities that it has been impossible to hire Danes or people living in Denmark already for the job. Good luck with your endeavours. :-) "I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me |
MAC Send message Joined: 12 Feb 01 Posts: 203 Credit: 58,346 RAC: 0 |
IMHO the problem in Germany is that you can't even address serious issues because you are instantly labeled a Nazi. It's a vicious circle: many people are fed up because problems with immigration and lack of integration are not addressed. This creates tension and results in violence - from my experience the violence of immigrant gangs simply don't make it into the news, which creates even more anger. When then violence against immigrants takes place the media is full of it and the journalists ride on a wave of political education. Just what the average citizen experiences is something different and people are therefore fed up by the one sided press and even more angry. As long as the problems with a lack of integration won't be solved the situation won't change. All in all I guess Germany is over all a very tolerant country and racism is on par with other european countries, even though eastern Germany has indeed a problem because people are dissatisfied. Anyways Europe is quit some fun. So many different cultures probably living in countries like Sweden, Switzerland, Denmark, Spain, Austria is best - what does the rest think? |
Darth Dogbytes™ Send message Joined: 30 Jul 03 Posts: 7512 Credit: 2,021,148 RAC: 0 |
IMHO the problem in Germany is that you can't even address serious issues because you are instantly labeled a Nazi. It's a vicious circle: many people are fed up because problems with immigration and lack of integration are not addressed. This creates tension and results in violence - from my experience the violence of immigrant gangs simply don't make it into the news, which creates even more anger. When then violence against immigrants takes place the media is full of it and the journalists ride on a wave of political education. Just what the average citizen experiences is something different and people are therefore fed up by the one sided press and even more angry. For those that fail to assimilate or refuse to do so, give them a free ticket back to their homeland, since that is what they prefer. Account frozen... |
Jeffrey Send message Joined: 21 Nov 03 Posts: 4793 Credit: 26,029 RAC: 0 |
For those that fail to assimilate or refuse to do so, give them a free ticket back to their homeland, since that is what they prefer. Sounds like a GWB speech... ;) It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . . |
Rush Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 3131 Credit: 302,569 RAC: 0 |
Well, since it's just political rhetoric, what if? So what if he says that? Exactly. Cordially, Rush elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com Remove the obvious... |
John McLeod VII Send message Joined: 15 Jul 99 Posts: 24806 Credit: 790,712 RAC: 0 |
IMHO the problem in Germany is that you can't even address serious issues because you are instantly labeled a Nazi. It's a vicious circle: many people are fed up because problems with immigration and lack of integration are not addressed. This creates tension and results in violence - from my experience the violence of immigrant gangs simply don't make it into the news, which creates even more anger. When then violence against immigrants takes place the media is full of it and the journalists ride on a wave of political education. Just what the average citizen experiences is something different and people are therefore fed up by the one sided press and even more angry. I believe (but am not quite certain) the Germany has permanent guest workers - whose children and grandchildren are born in Germany but will never be able to become citizens. I believe (but again my information is a bit limited) that many of these that were born in Germany but have no path to citizenship are the malcontants. Now, where are you going to send them back to? BOINC WIKI |
thorin belvrog Send message Joined: 29 Sep 06 Posts: 6418 Credit: 8,893 RAC: 0 |
IMHO the problem in Germany is that you can't even address serious issues because you are instantly labeled a Nazi. It's a vicious circle: many people are fed up because problems with immigration and lack of integration are not addressed. This creates tension and results in violence - from my experience the violence of immigrant gangs simply don't make it into the news, which creates even more anger. When then violence against immigrants takes place the media is full of it and the journalists ride on a wave of political education. Just what the average citizen experiences is something different and people are therefore fed up by the one sided press and even more angry. And you are right. Well, they are able but hindered. No-one here in Germany automatically becomes a German citizen who is born here, except if at least one of the parents is German. That's #1 Resident aliens can of course apply for citizenship after several years of living and working here (and all permanent guest workers are what you call resident aliens), but no-one of the bureaucrats tells them that they have this right: they have to inform themselves (being hindered by the clerks), when, where and under which circumstances they can apply. That's #2 Many of these "resident aliens" are just so sick of their current bureaucratic fights, that they just don't want to struggle even more just for the line "Citizenship: German". And so it comes that people live here as resident alien and apply for citizenship who are the 3rd generation of "resident aliens" in a family. They just can't be sent back to where their grandparents came from. Even their parents grew up here. Here they are the "foreigners" who "have to go home", while in the country of their grandfathers they are the "Germans", the "foreigners" again. As long as these people don't have the German citizenship they have no "home". But: to get a replacement of a home they are "ghettoizing" themselves: instead of trying to become part of the town's mishmash, they move to where people of their own nationality are living, try to meet only their own nationality, live their own culture. Of course they are malcontent. Account frozen... |
Darth Dogbytes™ Send message Joined: 30 Jul 03 Posts: 7512 Credit: 2,021,148 RAC: 0 |
Naturalization is a privilege, not a right. Account frozen... |
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