The thread will be closed when the thread author requests it.

Or perhaps when the discussion becomes something less than 'respectful'.

That is always a possibility. But the preference is to leave a thread open until the thread author requests that it be closed. Otherwise, it can be locked and/or hidden if it descends into uncontrolled flames.

The thread will be closed when the thread author requests it.

Or perhaps when the discussion becomes something less than 'respectful'.

That is always a possibility. But the preference is to leave a thread open until the thread author requests that it be closed. Otherwise, it can be locked and/or hidden if it descends into uncontrolled flames.

It's a good thing we have the Setimod Sprinkler System in place. Don't wanna burn the house down, now do we?

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

Respect = tolerance.

(such as that may mean)

I am going to disagree here. Tolerance is given (until you earn disrespect by being a ... Respect has to be earned.

I disagree. Love, tolerance, and respect have in common that you have to give them to others before getting them.
Respect is nothing someone has to earn.
According to the definitions I found, respect is:

politeness, honor and care shown towards someone or something;
polite expressions of greeting, friendship, or sympathy (--> neither friendship nor sympathy are things to be earned for a tolerant person);
admiration for someone or something that you believe has good ideas or qualities;
to admire (an ability or good quality), or to admire (someone) for their ability or qualities.

IMHO nothing in these definitions shows that respect has to be earned. Either there is respect, born out of tolerance and sympathy, or some people seem to mistake fear for respect (like: "they have to fear me, I'm their superior")

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Respect = tolerance.

(such as that may mean)

I am going to disagree here. Tolerance is given (until you earn disrespect by being a ... Respect has to be earned.

I disagree. Love, tolerance, and respect have in common that you have to give them to others before getting them.
Respect is nothing someone has to earn.
According to the definitions I found, respect is:

politeness, honor and care shown towards someone or something;
polite expressions of greeting, friendship, or sympathy (--> neither friendship nor sympathy are things to be earned for a tolerant person);
admiration for someone or something that you believe has good ideas or qualities;
to admire (an ability or good quality), or to admire (someone) for their ability or qualities.

IMHO nothing in these definitions shows that respect has to be earned. Either there is respect, born out of tolerance and sympathy, or some people seem to mistake fear for respect (like: "they have to fear me, I'm their superior")

That's not called respect, it's called intimidation......

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

I disagree. Love, tolerance, and respect have in common that you have to give them to others before getting them.
Respect is nothing someone has to earn.

Why? Because you sez so?

According to the definitions I found, respect is:

politeness, honor and care shown towards someone or something;
polite expressions of greeting, friendship, or sympathy (--> neither friendship nor sympathy are things to be earned for a tolerant person);
admiration for someone or something that you believe has good ideas or qualities;
to admire (an ability or good quality), or to admire (someone) for their ability or qualities.

IMHO nothing in these definitions shows that respect has to be earned. Either there is respect, born out of tolerance and sympathy, or some people seem to mistake fear for respect (like: "they have to fear me, I'm their superior")

Ummmm, the reason that "nothing in these definitions shows that respect has to be earned," is because the definition of respect has no bearing on how such respect is earned or on why it must be earned.

One can define "money" without listing the myriad ways it can be earned and the fact that the definition of the concept of money does not contain them is irrelevant.

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Cordially,
Rush

elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com
Remove the obvious...

Two common meanings of the word "respect" are: 1) admiration or esteem, and 2) avoiding violation of or interference with. The first usage is what has to be earned; no one admires a person who has done nothing or who does "bad" things. The second usage is what I assumed this thread was talking about, as in "respecting" the rules of posting, or netiquette or feelings of others; that kind of respect should just be given. Though respecting others can be difficult when you do not get it in return.

I've tried very hard NOT to enter this fray.....

(1) Most that want have said what they think

(2)Admins/Mods are now just using this to let people vent their spleen in a controlled fashion.

Nothing much more will be gained by going down this route.

With all due respect Chris, there is still MUCH to be gained. Like the opinions of posters who do not visit the forum an a daily basis.

Please, carry on.

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And one of the eternal questions:

Will you still respect me in the morning?

;)

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Participating in another culture is acting like a prat? How about poking fun at someone simply because you don't agree with their point of view--how respectful is that?

What is respect?

Respect means lot's of different things to lot's of different people. On a basic level it seems to include taking someone's various feelings, needs, thoughts, ideas, wishes and proclivities into consideration. You might as well say it means, taking all of these seriously, and assigning them a value within your own belief system equal to your own. In fact, giving someone respect seems similar to valuing them as people and not summarily dismissing their thoughts, feelings, etc. It also seems to include acknowledging them, listening and being accepting of their individuality and idiosyncrasies.

Respect can be shown through behavior and it can also be felt. We can act in ways which are considered respectful, yet we can also feel respect for someone and feel respected by someone. Because it is possible to act in ways that do not reflect how we really feel, the feeling of respect is more important than the behavior without the feeling. When the feeling is there, the behavior will naturally follow.

Respect is earnt it can't be just given and be genuine.

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Participating in another culture is acting like a prat? How about poking fun at someone simply because you don't agree with their point of view--how respectful is that?

You do make a point. We often find things funny that don't 'look right' (whatever 'right' may mean.)

I'm not sure though that dancing to an African tune with all the colourful clothing and banners is really participation of another's culture.

To some degree politicians and those that make a living and have power from celebrity or public fame are fair game for fun and jokes. (It's part of our culture to make fun of such people and they invite our irreverence.)

When a president, prime minister, queen or any human eats, works, suffers and laughs on a daily basis with the 'average' person then we can say they are participating in other people's culture.

A dance for the camera is not participation in anything but a dance.

I think President Bush is quite brave to stand up and dance but I think African culture is far more than this.


Respect must run deeper.

Why else would we care so passionatly about Pawly's thread?



If we look at the photo in a different way:

It is oddly amusing that we should think the black guy dressed all in white is somehow participating in American culture!

Respect = tolerance.

(such as that may mean)

I am going to disagree here. Tolerance is given (until you earn disrespect by being a ... Respect has to be earned.

I disagree. Love, tolerance, and respect have in common that you have to give them to others before getting them.
Respect is nothing someone has to earn.
According to the definitions I found, respect is:

politeness, honor and care shown towards someone or something;
polite expressions of greeting, friendship, or sympathy (--> neither friendship nor sympathy are things to be earned for a tolerant person);
admiration for someone or something that you believe has good ideas or qualities;
to admire (an ability or good quality), or to admire (someone) for their ability or qualities.

IMHO nothing in these definitions shows that respect has to be earned. Either there is respect, born out of tolerance and sympathy, or some people seem to mistake fear for respect (like: "they have to fear me, I'm their superior")

If you treat me with politenes, honor and care, you will earn my respect. If you treate me with rudeness, dishonor, or carelessness, you will earn my disrespect. I can only hope that the obverse is true as well. This is what I am talking about when I say the respect has to be earned. The act of treating someone with politeness honor and care is not nessecarily a sign of respect, but it is a sign of tolerance.

[edited for clarity.]

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Ice, my man, how are you tonight? I was really not intending to get under your skin last night, just trying to calm things down a bit. I was not going after you personally. I hope you understand.

Respectfully (and I do mean that, not just 'cuz of the thread title),
Mark.

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

Ice, my man, how are you tonight? I was really not intending to get under your skin last night, just trying to calm things down a bit. I was not going after you personally. I hope you understand.

Respectfully (and I do mean that, not just 'cuz of the thread title),
Mark.

No worries Mark, I was just fine last night, thank you for asking. I hope your Friday goes well.

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Ice, my man, how are you tonight? I was really not intending to get under your skin last night, just trying to calm things down a bit. I was not going after you personally. I hope you understand.

Respectfully (and I do mean that, not just 'cuz of the thread title),
Mark.

No worries Mark, I was just fine last night, thank you for asking. I hope your Friday goes well.

The same for you. I have to go off to work to do some OT before the weekend. Gotta pay for these crunchers somehow. Take care.

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

'retire' the RESPECT Thread?

Agreed Richard.

Think it's served it's purpose.

Well, thank Jeebus we have you two here to decide what's best for the rest of us.

Here's an idea: don't read the thread.

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Cordially,
Rush

elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com
Remove the obvious...

'retire' the RESPECT Thread?

Agreed Richard.

Think it's served it's purpose.

Well, thank Jeebus we have you two here to decide what's best for the rest of us.

Here's an idea: don't read the thread.

Wow. What a novel idea. Think a little harder and you can come up with one that is even more novel and more effective. :)

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