When they're all dead or you run out of ammo.

I suspect I know which will happen first with you holding the gun, good luck.

[quote[]Did they make him replace his divot? ;)

Close to being worthy of reporting to the mods.

As opposed to what?[/quote]

LOL@Jon.

Yeah. I think that's pretty funny. I disagree with about %50 of what Jon says but he does have a sense of humor. I like jokerinos.

Just remember that you don't need a parachute to skydive. You only need a parachute to skydive twice.

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Indeed, Rush, but to be fair it was Jeffrey, not Jon who made the original comment, like the absurd comment about terrorists showing up at convenient times.

Yeah, Bob. It was. Which is why I specifically said:

"Then maybe you shouldn't have responded to this idiocy: 'And yet I've never seen an airplane leave a crater in the earths surface... Go figure... ;)

With this: 'Craters are usually formed when a large amount of mass impacts a larger amount of mass. Considering that most of the weight in an airplane is the fuel, most planes do not have the mass to form a crater.'"

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elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com
Remove the obvious...

Then what's the problem? If you look back, you will see that I said "most planes" not "all planes". A passenger jet would most likely not leave a crater. A fully loaded C-5 Galaxy will leave a good sized crater.

Once again, what does it matter? No government plot, just a bunch of crazy people.

I can't make this any simpler: You made affirmative statements concerning a point of discussion that you now say does not matter, enticing others to present arguments refuting your statements.

If it didn't matter, then like I said, you should have said that it didn't matter initially instead of continuing to argue against the likelihood of a crater forming in dirt.

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elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com
Remove the obvious...

[quote]When they're all dead or you run out of ammo.

I suspect I know which will happen first with you holding the gun, good luck.

Did they make him replace his divot? ;)

Close to being worthy of reporting to the mods.

As opposed to what?

LOL@Jon.

Yeah. I think that's pretty funny. I disagree with about %50 of what Jon says but he does have a sense of humor. I like jokerinos.

Just remember that you don't need a parachute to skydive. You only need a parachute to skydive twice.

LOL Yes, the humour is pretty black in a parachute club, a lot of jokes are being told which are horrible.

And no, Jon, he was not asked to replace his divot, and I think it was a little more than a divot. ;-)

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'And yet I've never seen an airplane leave a crater in the earths surface... Go figure... ;)

With this: 'Craters are usually formed when a large amount of mass impacts a larger amount of mass. Considering that most of the weight in an airplane is the fuel, most planes do not have the mass to form a crater.'"

Depending on the plane they can actually be extremely heavy...

example...

Boeing 747-400:
Maximum Takeoff Weight: 875,000 lb (396,890 kg)

Boeing 767-300ER:
Maximum Takeoff Weight 412,000 lb (186,880 kg)

And the largest plane in the world...
AN-225
Maximum Takeoff Weight 1,411,000 lb


Also the fuel does have an impact... it does not lite off instantly when the plane hits the ground. The fuel has to mix with the air first to burn.

~BoB

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With this: 'Craters are usually formed when a large amount of mass impacts a larger amount of mass. Considering that most of the weight in an airplane is the fuel, most planes do not have the mass to form a crater.'"

That depends on the angle, an aeroplane dropping like a rock going vertically down will create a rather big hole in the ground.

But since they possess some kind of aerodynamics, they most probably glide down and will hit the ground in a more flat angle and ending up surfing on the ground on touch down. Helicopters on the other hand with no aerodynamic abilities drop like a rock...

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With this: 'Craters are usually formed when a large amount of mass impacts a larger amount of mass. Considering that most of the weight in an airplane is the fuel, most planes do not have the mass to form a crater.'"

That depends on the angle, an aeroplane dropping like a rock going vertically down will create a rather big hole in the ground.

But since they possess some kind of aerodynamics, they most probably glide down and will hit the ground in a more flat angle and ending up surfing on the ground on touch down. Helicopters on the other hand with no aerodynamic abilities drop like a rock...

I have to agree. Back in the late 80's I've seen a crater formed by a fighter jet, which's pilot steered the machine just vertically down on a field to not hit into a school (or was it a hospital? No the school at that event) after a serious technical failure occurred.
This jet didn't just fall like a rock, it had almost full speed - it hit the ground with about Mach 0.75! 'twas no nice place to look at...

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A skydiver who falls vertically down with free fall speed creates a hole in the ground on the impact.

Actually, they bounce... ;)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

A skydiver who falls vertically down with free fall speed creates a hole in the ground on the impact.

Actually, they bounce... ;)

Experienced...?

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A skydiver who falls vertically down with free fall speed creates a hole in the ground on the impact.

Actually, they bounce... ;)

Experienced...?

Cold......

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When they're all dead or you run out of ammo.

I suspect I know which will happen first with you holding the gun, good luck.

[quote[]Did they make him replace his divot? ;)

Close to being worthy of reporting to the mods.

As opposed to what?

LOL@Jon.

Yeah. I think that's pretty funny. I disagree with about %50 of what Jon says but he does have a sense of humor. I like jokerinos.

Just remember that you don't need a parachute to skydive. You only need a parachute to skydive twice.[/quote]

Only 50%? I have got to try harder. ;)

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9/11 - the big cover-up?
Peter Tatchell
September 12, 2007 10:30 AM

Six years after 9/11, the American public have still not been provided with a full and truthful account of the single greatest terror attack in US history.

What they got was a turkey. The 9/11 Commission was hamstrung by official obstruction. It never managed to ascertain the whole truth of what happened on September 11 2001.

The chair and vice chair of the 9/11 Commission, respectively Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton, assert in their book, Without Precedent, that they were "set up to fail" and were starved of funds to do a proper investigation. They also confirm that they were denied access to the truth and misled by senior officials in the Pentagon and the federal aviation authority;
and that this obstruction and deception led them to contemplate slapping officials with criminal charges.

Despite the many public statements by 9/11 commissioners and staff members acknowledging they were repeatedly lied to, not a single person has ever been charged, tried, or even reprimanded, for lying to the 9/11 Commission.

From the outset, the commission seemed to be hobbled. It did not start work until over a year after the attacks. Even then, its terms of reference were suspiciously narrow, its powers of investigation curiously limited and its time-frame for producing a report unhelpfully short - barely a year to sift through millions of pages of evidence and to interview hundreds of key witnesses.

The final report did not examine key evidence, and neglected serious anomalies in the various accounts of what happened. The commissioners admit their report was incomplete and flawed, and that many questions about the terror attacks remain unanswered. Nevertheless, the 9/11 Commission was swiftly closed down on August 21 2004.

I do not believe in conspiracy theories. I prefer rigorous, evidence-based analysis that sifts through the known facts and utilises expert opinion to draw conclusions that stand up to critical scrutiny. In other words, I believe in everything the 9/11 Commission was not.

The failings of the official investigation have fuelled too many half-baked conspiracy theories. Some of the 9/11 "truth" groups promote speculative hypotheses, ignore innocent explanations, cite non-expert sources and jump to conclusions that are not proven by the known facts. They convert mere coincidence and circumstantial evidence into cast-iron proof. This is no way to debunk the obfuscations and evasions of the 9/11 report.

But even amid the hype, some of these 9/11 groups raise valid and important questions that were never even considered, let alone answered, by the official investigation. The American public has not been told the complete truth about the events of that fateful autumn morning six years ago.

What happened on 9/11 is fundamentally important in its own right. But equally important is the way the 9/11 cover-up signifies an absence of democratic, transparent and accountable government. Establishing the truth is, in part, about restoring honesty, trust and confidence in American politics.

There are dozens of 9/11 "truth" websites and campaign groups. I cannot vouch for the veracity or credibility of any of them. But what I can say is that as well as making plenty of seemingly outrageous claims; a few of them raise legitimate questions that demand answers.

Four of these well known "tell the truth" 9/11 websites are:

1) Scholars for 9/11 Truth, which includes academics and intellectuals from many disciplines.

2) 250+ 9/11 'Smoking Guns' a website that cites over 250 pieces of evidence that allegedly contradict, or were omitted from, the 9/11 Commission report.

3) The 911 Truth Campaign that, as well as offering its own evidence and theories, includes links to more than 20 similar websites.

4) Patriots Question 9/11, perhaps the most plausible array of distinguished US citizens who question the official account of 9/11, including General Wesley Clark, former Nato commander in Europe, and seven members and staffers of the official 9/11 Commission, including the chair and vice chair. In all, this website documents the doubts of 110+ senior military, intelligence service, law enforcement and government officials; 200+ engineers and architects; 50+ pilots and aviation professionals; 150+ professors; 90+ entertainment and media people; and 190+ 9/11 survivors and family members. Although this is an impressive roll call, it doesn't necessarily mean that these expert professionals are right. Nevertheless, their scepticism of the official version of events is reason to pause and reflect.

More and more US citizens are critical of the official account. The respected Zogby polling organisation last week found that 51% of Americans want Congress to probe President Bush and Vice-President Cheney regarding the truth about the 9/11 attacks; 67% are also critical of the 9/11 Commission for not investigating the bizarre, unexplained collapse of the 47-storey World Trade Centre building 7 (WTC7). This building was not hit by any planes. Unlike WTC3, which was badly damaged by falling debris from the Twin Towers but which remained standing, WTC7 suffered minor damage but suddenly collapsed in a neat pile, as happens in a controlled demolition.

In a 2006 interview with anchorman Evan Soloman of CBC's Sunday programme, the vice chair of the 9/11 Commission, Lee Hamilton, was reminded that the commission report failed to even mention the collapse of WTC7 or the suspicious hurried removal of the building debris from the site - before there could be a proper forensic investigation of what was a crime scene. Hamilton could only offer the lame excuse that the commissioners did not have "unlimited time" and could not be expected to answer "every question" the public asks.

There are many, many more strange unexplained facts concerning the events of 9/11. You don't have to be a conspiracy theorist to be puzzled and want an explanation, or to be sceptical concerning the official version of events.

Six years on from those terrible events, the survivors, and the friends and families of those who died, deserve to know the truth. Is honesty and transparency concerning 9/11 too much to ask of the president and Congress?

What is needed is a new and truly independent commission of inquiry to sort coincidence and conjecture from fact, and to provide answers to the unsolved anomalies in the evidence available concerning the attacks on the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon. Unlike the often-stymied first investigation, this new commission should be granted wide-ranging subpoena powers and unfettered access to government files and officials. George Bush should be called to testify, without his minders at hand to brief and prompt him. America - and the world - has a right to know the truth.

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As for Fort Dix, do you really think any terrorist with 2 functional brain cells would attack a military base in the US?

1950's - IRA dress up in British uniforms, attack army base, escape with truck load of weapons - FACT!

1970's - IRA successfully raid several military bases, escapes with weapons cache - FACT!

Ooops, they had 3 functional brain cells!

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As for Fort Dix, do you really think any terrorist with 2 functional brain cells would attack a military base in the US?

1950's - IRA dress up in British uniforms, attack army base, escape with truck load of weapons - FACT!

1970's - IRA successfully raid several military bases, escapes with weapons cache - FACT!

Ooops, they had 3 functional brain cells!

Do you really believe ANY known terror group in the Western countries do even one step out of their cave without knowledge of the Police or a Secret Service?
For example: the RAF in Germany has been watched and spied from outside and inside by civil cops and secret services from the very first year of their appearance. Strangely they still killed and stole and kidnapped until the late 90's with officially fewer people, with strangely good support - and their deeds came with some very strange coincidences & made-up fake evidences shown in the media.

Hm... when I think more into this, I rather tend to believe those 911 conspiracy believers than the official media...

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Noam Chomsky Lecture - Distorted Morality

55 min 12 sec

Noam Chomsky, professor emeritus of linguistics at the MIT, (Massachusetts Institute of Technology), speech at Harvard University about America's war on terror.


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Noam Chomsky Lecture - Distorted Morality

55 min 12 sec

Noam Chomsky, professor emeritus of linguistics at the MIT, (Massachusetts Institute of Technology), speech at Harvard University about America's war on terror.


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Whom has quoted him...Osama Bin Laden...'DEATH TO THE JEWS'.....

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Noam Chomsky Lecture - Distorted Morality

55 min 12 sec

Noam Chomsky, professor emeritus of linguistics at the MIT, (Massachusetts Institute of Technology), speech at Harvard University about America's war on terror.


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Whom has quoted him...Osama Bin Laden...'DEATH TO THE JEWS'.....

Does only the fact that Chomski was quoted by Bin Laden make him a friend of terrorist? You could say as well, as soon as I quote you or Rush one or two times, the both of you become one of my conviction! Or do I become an objectivist like you only because i am quoted by you? Laughable.

Just a suggestion: First switch the brain on, then begin to post.

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Noam Chomsky Lecture - Distorted Morality

55 min 12 sec

Noam Chomsky, professor emeritus of linguistics at the MIT, (Massachusetts Institute of Technology), speech at Harvard University about America's war on terror.


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Who has quoted him...Osama Bin Laden...'DEATH TO THE JEWS'.....

Does only the fact that Chomski was quoted by Bin Laden make him a friend of terrorist? You could say as well, as soon as I quote you or Rush one or two times, the both of you become one of my conviction! Or do I become an objectivist like you only because i am quoted by you? Laughable.

Just a suggestion: First switch the brain on, then begin to post.

No, you just adjust yourself accordingly. You cannot continue to squeal like a little fascist piggie one night and pine for appeals the next night for your rights.

You still have NEVER ANSWERED the questions...do 'Jews' have a right to exist??

Do those little hook nosed snakey jews have a right? I don't recall....or is it that you stated that those dirty jews only had a right to exist if they played socialists....Hmmm..

If i'm wrong show me.

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Founder of BOINC team Objectivists. Oh the humanity! Rational people crunching data!
I did NOT authorize this belly writing!

Noam Chomsky Lecture - Distorted Morality

55 min 12 sec

Noam Chomsky, professor emeritus of linguistics at the MIT, (Massachusetts Institute of Technology), speech at Harvard University about America's war on terror.


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Who has quoted him...Osama Bin Laden...'DEATH TO THE JEWS'.....

Does only the fact that Chomski was quoted by Bin Laden make him a friend of terrorist? You could say as well, as soon as I quote you or Rush one or two times, the both of you become one of my conviction! Or do I become an objectivist like you only because i am quoted by you? Laughable.

Just a suggestion: First switch the brain on, then begin to post.

No, you just adjust yourself accordingly. You cannot continue to squeal like a little fascist piggie one night and pine for appeals the next night for your rights.

You still have NEVER ANSWERED the questions...do 'Jews' have a right to exist??

Do those little hook nosed snakey jews have a right? I don't recall....or is it that you stated that those dirty jews only had a right to exist if they played socialists....Hmmm..

If i'm wrong show me.

Of course Jews do have a right to exist - like Muslims, Christians, Atheists, Pagans, etc.
Israelic people do have a right to exist - the same right as Americans, Germans, French, JApanese, Iraqi etc. people do have to exist.

Why should any nation, any people, any belief or any conviction do not have a right to exist?
Strange question.

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