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Message 619164 - Posted: 14 Aug 2007, 20:07:55 UTC

I won't do your homework for you bud.
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Message 619205 - Posted: 14 Aug 2007, 21:58:02 UTC - in response to Message 619164.  

I won't do your homework for you bud.

No worries, you just post stuff you believe in.

You haven't even done your own.
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Message 619206 - Posted: 14 Aug 2007, 21:59:42 UTC

Anyone else know what I'm talking about with building seven being pulled?

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Message 619213 - Posted: 14 Aug 2007, 22:04:46 UTC - in response to Message 619206.  

Anyone else know what I'm talking about with building seven being pulled?

Survey says:

I know what the words mean, I should have been more clear: Did you have any actual argument?

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Message 619229 - Posted: 14 Aug 2007, 22:17:27 UTC

The proof is in the pudding.

I have to refer you to the movies.
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Message 619365 - Posted: 15 Aug 2007, 3:13:05 UTC - in response to Message 619063.  
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surely there must be something more to this...

You're looking at the US Census Bureau unemployment statistics from 1997-2007:

Can you spot 9/11/01? ;)
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Message 619366 - Posted: 15 Aug 2007, 3:15:04 UTC

Looks like the Fibonacci curve has turned.
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Message 619456 - Posted: 15 Aug 2007, 7:17:29 UTC - in response to Message 619229.  
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The proof is in the pudding.

Then it should be easy for you to raise a specific point, very very easy. Here, I'll start it for you: "The most likely scenario is that someone fired a missile, and then very shortly thereafter, a bunch of MIB's showed up in trucks to scatter extremely heavy pieces of landing gear and fuselage around because...." Then, "None of the rescuers saw this because..." and then put the Cloaks of Invisibility and the Hogwart's branded Extry Discreet Fork Lifts here.

I have to refer you to the movies.

I'm not going to discuss the entire content of any number of the movies with you. If you find a point particularly compelling, raise it. Your cut-and-paste jobs and vague hand-waving are not sufficient as reasoning to make a point.
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Message 619461 - Posted: 15 Aug 2007, 7:21:58 UTC - in response to Message 619365.  

You're looking at the US Census Bureau unemployment statistics from 1997-2007:

Can you spot 9/11/01? ;)

This is funny too. Why? Because minor fluctuations between about 4 and 6 percent unemployment over ten years is nearly negligible. In a country of approximately 300 million, a 95% employment rate is full employment, because there will always be x number of people that are changing jobs, or ceasing to look for work at any given moment.
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Message 620013 - Posted: 16 Aug 2007, 2:12:24 UTC - in response to Message 619461.  
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This is funny too. Why? Because minor fluctuations [snip]

Now how did I already know what your rebuttal would be...

While true, I still find it very odd that people were being fired in droves prior to 911, and after 911 people were being hired in droves when the future was looking so unpredictable, especially for corporate america... Sorry, but 'common sense' should dictate the exact opposite... Not too mention, the distinct change that occurred precisely on 911...

And anyway, I know who was being fired prior to 911 and who was being hired after 911... While that is the key to the whole 'who dun-nit', I'll leave it to you to figure out... I wouldn't want to come off as an accuser, not my style...

There are other statistics too, like the high number of people that 'chose' not to reenter the work force following 911... I know why, and maybe in time, you'll know why too... ;)


BTW - That little 1.5 percent 'fluctuation' prior to 911 actually represents a very large number of people, making it, 'not so minor'...
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Message 620111 - Posted: 16 Aug 2007, 6:44:44 UTC - in response to Message 620013.  
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Now how did I already know what your rebuttal would be...

Because your glaring errors are self-evident to any reader, including you?

While true, I still find it very odd that people were being fired in droves prior to 911, and after 911 people were being hired in droves when the future was looking so unpredictable, especially for corporate america... Sorry, but 'common sense' should dictate the exact opposite... Not too mention, the distinct change that occurred precisely on 911...

What common sense actually dictates here is that people actually weren't being hired (or fired) in droves because the fluctuations were minor--even the trend changes were minor. In a country the size of the U.S. that enjoys full employment, even the biggest fluctuation in that graph still fits well within normal variations and therefore explanations are difficult at best.

And anyway, I know who was being fired prior to 911 and who was being hired after 911... While that is the key to the whole 'who dun-nit', I'll leave it to you to figure out... I wouldn't want to come off as an accuser, not my style...

There are other statistics too, like the high number of people that 'chose' not to reenter the work force following 911... I know why, and maybe in time, you'll know why too... ;)

So many words to say absolutely nothing. Are we supposed to read your mind to find your point? While it's quaint that you seem to think you're capable of reading the minds of all these people to determine their motivations, your lack of ability to explain even the most basic parts of your own thoughts suggest otherwise.

BTW - That little 1.5 percent 'fluctuation' prior to 911 actually represents a very large number of people, making it, 'not so minor'...

Ummmm, so what? Given that people will ALWAYS quit, change careers, be hired, be fired, go back to school, retire, leave, return, et cetera, it's not only minor, it's very nearly negligible, regardless of what the real number number is.
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Message 620129 - Posted: 16 Aug 2007, 7:33:38 UTC

I'm not going to discuss the entire content of any number of the movies with you. If you find a point particularly compelling, raise it. Your cut-and-paste jobs and vague hand-waving are not sufficient as reasoning to make a point.


No dice, Rush. Your running behind on your homework and I won't bail you out. Empower yourself with enough knowledge to be able to keep up with the points of the conversation. There can be no discussion without common points of reference.

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Message 620195 - Posted: 16 Aug 2007, 11:29:04 UTC - in response to Message 620129.  

I'm not going to discuss the entire content of any number of the movies with you. If you find a point particularly compelling, raise it. Your cut-and-paste jobs and vague hand-waving are not sufficient as reasoning to make a point.


No dice, Rush. Your running behind on your homework and I won't bail you out. Empower yourself with enough knowledge to be able to keep up with the points of the conversation. There can be no discussion without common points of reference.

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I'll make this as simple as I know how: a Google link isn't a point. So make a point. Just one. Anything. Why? Because then we have, as you said, "a common point of reference." You then would actually have made a point of conversation.

I'll even repeat the opening I gave you to make it even simpler. "The most likely scenario is that someone fired a missile, and then very shortly thereafter, a bunch of MIB's showed up in trucks to scatter extremely heavy pieces of landing gear and fuselage around because...." Then, "None of the rescuers saw this because..." and then put the Cloaks of Invisibility and the Hogwart's branded Extry Discreet Fork Lifts here. Well, if that's your theory.

As an aside, I'm not "running behind on my homework," and I've seen nothing to indicate that you are capable of "bail[ing] me out," even if I were. Rest assured, I've done my homework very very well.
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Message 620262 - Posted: 16 Aug 2007, 14:23:25 UTC - in response to Message 620195.  
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Hi guys.

There is Loose Change for 9/11. There is also Ludicrious diversion for 7/7.

Both films do show discrepancies with the official information that is in the public domain.

I have always assumed that people are intelligient enough to discern what is right from wrong, truth from lies, until these same people prove beyond a doubt that they are total idiots.

However, since WWII, most western intelligience forces have become more knowlegdable & hopefully, effective. These films do in fact raise pertinent questions for debate.

If the discrepancies are valid, WHERE were these so called intelligence services?

With what I have read on these posts, I am sad to say that until we as so called human beings realise that because an individual's opinion is different to theirs, there will always be wars, instead of being human enough to debate it in an understanding & pleasant manner.
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Message 620781 - Posted: 17 Aug 2007, 5:07:53 UTC - in response to Message 620111.  

So many words to say absolutely nothing.

Anyone who can look at that graph and not see that 911 marked 'significant changes' before during and after the event, well, I can't help you... I know the details, but until others can at least see the big picture, discussion of details is not worth the time wasted on deaf ears and blind eyes...

Believe as you wish... I am not responsible for your enlightenment nor for your ignorance, and I thank God every day for that... ;)
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Message 620799 - Posted: 17 Aug 2007, 5:28:48 UTC
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I see the picture, Jefferey, even without the graph,

War is big business. Just ask the military industrial complex!! Not that they'll answer you...

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Message 620896 - Posted: 17 Aug 2007, 8:10:11 UTC - in response to Message 620781.  

So many words to say absolutely nothing.

Anyone who can look at that graph and not see that 911 marked 'significant changes' before during and after the event, well, I can't help you...

Don't worry, you aren't capable of providing whatever "help" you might think I need.

But enlighten us, what "significant changes" should "anyone who can look at that graph" see show "before, during, and after the event?" I mean, it's a 10 year graph, from Jan '97 - Jan '07; while Sep. 11 '01 is contained there, the graph provides no information for "during" the event. Similarly, the graph shows no changes whatsoever as a result of 9/11. It was trending up before 9/11, it continued to trend up after 9/11. Again, any changes in that period are miniscule fluctuations of full employment.

I know the details, but until others can at least see the big picture, discussion of details is not worth the time wasted on deaf ears and blind eyes...

Believe as you wish... I am not responsible for your enlightenment nor for your ignorance, and I thank God every day for that... ;)

Oh enlighten us oh brilliant statistician, as even the smallest child in their innocence must be shown the simplest of details so that they can grow to see the world around them. Regale us with the details so, that like the small child, we can begin to see the big picture, and cast away these deaf ears and blind eyes! Help us, oh holiest of math men, to finally see the light! We wish to believe but the way is not clear, we wish to gain enlightenment and to banish our ignorance! Come down from the mountain as Moses did for the Jews and learn us from the holy writ!!
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Message 620975 - Posted: 17 Aug 2007, 11:19:47 UTC - in response to Message 620896.  

So many words to say absolutely nothing.

Anyone who can look at that graph and not see that 911 marked 'significant changes' before during and after the event, well, I can't help you...

Don't worry, you aren't capable of providing whatever "help" you might think I need.

But enlighten us, what "significant changes" should "anyone who can look at that graph" see show "before, during, and after the event?" I mean, it's a 10 year graph, from Jan '97 - Jan '07; while Sep. 11 '01 is contained there, the graph provides no information for "during" the event. Similarly, the graph shows no changes whatsoever as a result of 9/11. It was trending up before 9/11, it continued to trend up after 9/11. Again, any changes in that period are miniscule fluctuations of full employment.

I know the details, but until others can at least see the big picture, discussion of details is not worth the time wasted on deaf ears and blind eyes...

Believe as you wish... I am not responsible for your enlightenment nor for your ignorance, and I thank God every day for that... ;)

Oh enlighten us oh brilliant statistician, as even the smallest child in their innocence must be shown the simplest of details so that they can grow to see the world around them. Regale us with the details so, that like the small child, we can begin to see the big picture, and cast away these deaf ears and blind eyes! Help us, oh holiest of math men, to finally see the light! We wish to believe but the way is not clear, we wish to gain enlightenment and to banish our ignorance! Come down from the mountain as Moses did for the Jews and learn us from the holy writ!!

Perhaps one of his 72 virgins could enlighten us, that is, if they're not too busy having ladies night out in Mecca.
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Message 620980 - Posted: 17 Aug 2007, 11:36:38 UTC - in response to Message 620975.  

Perhaps one of his 72 virgins could enlighten us, that is, if they're not too busy having ladies night out in Mecca.

Agreed. One has to wonder about what is likely to be a battle royale among dem virgins, I mean, how do they gets themselves a man?
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Message 622221 - Posted: 18 Aug 2007, 21:04:50 UTC

Crash sites usually look like this:








Flight 93 Rare footage:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZekosYOmXc


Flight 93 Witness:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPGL9XimWCs


Flight 93 landed in Ohio?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sueAQB3fjqo



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