When are you available for a week?

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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Okay Rush, but just remember to hold your breath so you don't breathe in any of those contaminated particles. Oh, and don't forget to decontaminate yourself when you're done. :D

Department of the Army Pamphlet 700–48

Handling Procedures for Equipment Contaminated with Depleted Uranium or Radioactive Commodities

2–3. Non-Combat Situations

In non-combat situations, RCE should not be used until decontaminated. Steps to isolate RCE, contain any release, and
protect personnel from further radioactive contamination should be the first priority when an incident occurs. Request
help if needed. Abbreviated handling guidance is listed below for handling RCE in peacetime. See chapters 3 and 4 for
more specific information.
a. UNIT IMMEDIATE ACTION.
(1) Leave the vehicle or move away from the equipment. If a fire, move upwind at least 100M.
(2) Contact the Unit RPO or the Unit NBC personnel about the incident and document all actions. See appendix C
for guidance in preparing documentation of the incident. If additional radiological assistance is needed beyond local
capability then go through the chain of command. If no other assistance is available, contact the Army Operations
Center (DSN 227-0218 or commercial (703) 697-0218).
b. RECOVERY. Once qualified response personnel are involved, identify and separate radioactive contaminated
items. Use protective clothing and equipment as prescribed.
(1) “Double-Bag and Tag” the suspected items. On the bag mark the following information date, time, location of
bagging, suspected isotope, suspected activity of the isotope, and the names of all personnel involved with the material.
See appendix C for more information on proper record keeping.
(2) Stay out of vehicles until cleared by radiation survey personnel.
(3) Ensure personnel handling RCE are monitored for radiation exposure.
c. EVACUATION. Transport RCE to a radioactive material collection point, established and operated at the command
designated maintenance facility.
(1) Recover separately from non-contaminated material.
(2) Treat all material suspected of being radiologically contaminated as RCE until such a time as it is identified as
uncontaminated. Work material and equipment will be considered RCE until properly decontaminated.
d. ROGRADE. Assess items identified as contaminated by radioactive material for the purpose of determining if the
item can be decontaminated and then released for use; decontaminated and/or utilize per AR 750-1; or packaged
appropriately as radioactive waste and disposed of per all relevant guidance.
(1) All radioactive commodities described in appendix I will be immediately assessed as radioactive waste. Do not
open such items that are already adequately packaged. If necessary for transportation, the item will be over-packed.
(2) All non-radioactive commodities that have been turned-in as potentially contaminated will be surveyed by the
appropriate means (see Appendix C for General Survey Tips and Techniques), and then either decontaminated and
released for use or disposal as a normal item or packaged as radioactive waste.

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Thanks A/C,

I wouldn't send my worse enemy into any of these regions, let alone our brave Soldiers.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ha8KDfga_zM

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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Don't mind Rush. He's a drama major.


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where is the moderator when we need him

Shush

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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Thanks A/C,

I wouldn't send my worse enemy into any of these regions, let alone our brave Soldiers.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ha8KDfga_zM

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The people who came up with the idea for depleted uranium as a strong substance for weaponry were right about that part. Too bad they didn't take into account the potential after-effects.

Ooh Spies Like Us, a classic ;)

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Ooh Spies Like Us, a classic ;)

:D

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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

When are you available for a week?

Sometime after Sept. 20th.

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Cordially,
Rush

elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com
Remove the obvious...

You'd go and touch a tank blown up with DU rounds?

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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Okay Rush, but just remember to hold your breath so you don't breathe in any of those contaminated particles. Oh, and don't forget to decontaminate yourself when you're done. :D

Of course I won't be breathing contaminated particle. And I won't be drinking any gasoline. Or eating any sabot propellant.

I didn't say the stuff wasn't dangerous, I said pales in comparison to the actual deadly poisons in a tank. I said it pales in comparison to being in a tank when some of it passes in one side and then out the other at ungodly speeds. I said that simple Iron poison more people than DU ever has. I said that there are a LOT more dangerous things involved in using heavy armour than DU.

Oh, and the Army has lots of regulations for decontaminating things. They don't want gasoline or explosive residue laying around either.

One quick point:

Department of the Army Pamphlet 700–48

(1) “Double-Bag and Tag” the suspected items. On the bag mark the following information date, time, location of bagging, suspected isotope, suspected activity of the isotope, and the names of all personnel involved with the material.

How often do you thing this bit of SOP gets followed, or that anyone even pays any attention to it? Other than decon units, maybe.

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Cordially,
Rush

elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com
Remove the obvious...

You'd go and touch a tank blown up with DU rounds?

Sure, especially years after the fact.

Oh, and no, I won't drink gasoline. Or eat HE projectile propellant.

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Cordially,
Rush

elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com
Remove the obvious...

The people who came up with the idea for depleted uranium as a strong substance for weaponry were right about that part. Too bad they didn't take into account the potential after-effects.

They did. They realized it was ideal for penetrating armoured vehicles. See, that was their job.

They also realized that it was far far far less dangerous than bleach or even ammonia, and the chlorine gas that can be emitted when you mix them. Two household items that can kill you almost instantly. Think Clorox and Mr. Clean worry about how many people die with a general household chemical?

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Cordially,
Rush

elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com
Remove the obvious...

I think it better you stick to acting and leave the script to the writers.

:D

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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

I think it better you stick to acting and leave the script to the writers.

:D

Did you have any substantive argument? I mean, anything at all?

I'll try to make it very simple:

DU is to tank armour what a hot knife is to butter.

Clorox Bleach is to microbes what streptomycin is to strep.

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Cordially,
Rush

elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com
Remove the obvious...

And alpha, beta, and gamma waves are to carbon based life forms what alpha, beta, and gamma waves are to carbon based life forms.

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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

And alpha, beta, and gamma waves are to carbon based life forms what alpha, beta, and gamma waves are to carbon based life forms.

Except for the cockroaches. Ionizing radiation doesn't seem to bother them at all.

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And alpha, beta, and gamma waves are to carbon based life forms what alpha, beta, and gamma waves are to carbon based life forms.

Right, exactly. Duh.

However, in DU (and a really important part of DU is the term depleted) the levels are so low that you don't even need shielding to handle the stuff. Which is why it is sometimes used for civilian uses. Which is the exact same standard for HE propellant, gasoline, bleach, oil, iron pills and ammonia. Except that all of those will kill you very quickly if you ingest them, far far faster than the radiation from DU would.

If you actually want to make a point, you have to make the argument that given how effective it is at penetrating armor in combat, it's wrong to use a material that, by comparison, is far far less deadly than everyday household items.

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Cordially,
Rush

elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com
Remove the obvious...

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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Okay Rush, but just remember to hold your breath so you don't breathe in any of those contaminated particles. Oh, and don't forget to decontaminate yourself when you're done. :D

Of course I won't be breathing contaminated particle. And I won't be drinking any gasoline. Or eating any sabot propellant.

I didn't say the stuff wasn't dangerous, I said pales in comparison to the actual deadly poisons in a tank. I said it pales in comparison to being in a tank when some of it passes in one side and then out the other at ungodly speeds. I said that simple Iron poison more people than DU ever has. I said that there are a LOT more dangerous things involved in using heavy armour than DU.

Oh, and the Army has lots of regulations for decontaminating things. They don't want gasoline or explosive residue laying around either.

One quick point:

Department of the Army Pamphlet 700–48

(1) “Double-Bag and Tag” the suspected items. On the bag mark the following information date, time, location of bagging, suspected isotope, suspected activity of the isotope, and the names of all personnel involved with the material.

How often do you thing this bit of SOP gets followed, or that anyone even pays any attention to it? Other than decon units, maybe.

Yes I'm aware of some of the other potentially dangerous substances used by the military. The exhaust fumes from the fuel of the M1 for example have been known to cause severe headaches, nausea, and breathing problems for some soldiers. But the fact that the military uses these substances doesn't justify the use of depleted uranium. The dangers that it poses to military personel and civilians are reasons enough that the advantages it has as an armour killer aren't worth it.

No "SOP" isn't always followed as often as it should be in the military. But I wouldn't say that it's gotten to a point where no one pays attention to it anymore. I provided the link as official evidence that depleted uranium is indeed considered to be dangerous by the military.

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Depleted Uranium is just that depleted and slowly on its' transuranic journey into Thorium, and then to Lead. However, one point is being sadly overlooked...i.e., it is a heavy metal which even in the smallest amounts is quite toxic if it makes its' way into a human body by any route. When a shell penetrates armour, a small amount is vaporized into the surrounding environment. There is really no safe level of exposure for the environment on the receiving end.

In other words, it is poisonous. Tungstan Carbide would be OK, but it just doesn't have the same weight to mass ratio as U238 du.

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