to those who are against governments:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

Do you know this text?

Thanks Thorin!

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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

You love the Patriot act then?

Doesn't affect white, property owning males or other REAL Americans

Maybe it would be better named The B.I.G.O.T. Act... ;)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

to those who are against governments:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

Do you know this text?

Do you understand that when those words were written that "savages" and "property" were not considered human beings, much less "men". Note the numerous slave owners who signed that document.....and that's why the Constitution is amendable and why those once considered "property" now share equal rights under the law...but that certainly doesn't make any parasite leeching off the government my equal regardless of race, color, religion, or national origin.

But I still know what race is most likely to hijack a plane and take hostages. I still know what race is most likely to murder someone over crack cocaine and I know which race is most likely to get busted with a meth lab. Stereotypes exist because those people REALLY DO exist and it's simply ignorant to say otherwise.

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to those who are against governments:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

Do you know this text?

Do you understand that when those words were written that "savages" and "property" were not considered human beings, much less "men". Note the numerous slave owners who signed that document.....and that's why the Constitution is amendable and why those once considered "property" now share equal rights under the law...but that certainly doesn't make any parasite leeching off the government my equal regardless of race, color, religion, or national origin.

But I still know what race is most likely to hijack a plane and take hostages. I still know what race is most likely to murder someone over crack cocaine and I know which race is most likely to get busted with a meth lab. Stereotypes exist because those people REALLY DO exist and it's simply ignorant to say otherwise.

<--- Case in point.

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Hopefully the cosmos is not trying to reverse the charges.
Moderation in all things.

to those who are against governments:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

Do you know this text?

Do you understand that when those words were written that "savages" and "property" were not considered human beings, much less "men". Note the numerous slave owners who signed that document.....and that's why the Constitution is amendable and why those once considered "property" now share equal rights under the law...but that certainly doesn't make any parasite leeching off the government my equal regardless of race, color, religion, or national origin.

But I still know what race is most likely to hijack a plane and take hostages. I still know what race is most likely to murder someone over crack cocaine and I know which race is most likely to get busted with a meth lab. Stereotypes exist because those people REALLY DO exist and it's simply ignorant to say otherwise.

Well, even white supremacist groups are involved in drug-import or murder-for-hire.
Those "races" you mention - that's only the small fish considered to be caught. The big fish behind: that's mostly white people with much money. Either as investor & Gray Eminence, or the head itself.
Look the "Five Families" of New York for example: All of them have been of European lineage. Was Al Capone black or Mexican, Asian or Russian?
Get rid of your prejudice and get some reason into your head.

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"to 2.) Italian - so that's European, right? No colored "race", right?
What lineage are you? British? Irish? German? French? -- There's no white American without European ancestors. Maybe we're even relatives? :)"

God I hope not thorin. You and I may be related though. My Grandfather was from Germany. His last name was (not kidding) Fuhrer.

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Hopefully the cosmos is not trying to reverse the charges.
Moderation in all things.

"to 2.) Italian - so that's European, right? No colored "race", right?
What lineage are you? British? Irish? German? French? -- There's no white American without European ancestors. Maybe we're even relatives? :)"

God I hope not thorin. You and I may be related though. My Grandfather was from Germany. His last name was (not kidding) Fuhrer.

Well, better to have the name than to have had the title, what do you think? ;)
But, no as far as I am with Genealogy there is no such name among my ancestors - though the biologist Haeckel was among my relatives.

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These forums are so much more peaceful since I've added brainmasher to my ignore list. I highly recommend it.

Nothing personal, brainsmasher.

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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Or they come up with false stories and "evidences" and "witnesses" to get away with their accusation. See Mumia Abu Jamal who never had a fair trial, just because he's black and left-wing.

Are you even capable of citing something without hideous bias?

If any readers are interested in a much more balanced overview of the murder conviction, see the Wiki.

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Cordially,
Rush

elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com
Remove the obvious...

I wouldn't trade the blank boxes under brainsmasher and rushes names for all the gold in the world. Rush did have a few posts worth reading. I'll miss those few.

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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

I wouldn't trade the blank boxes under brainsmasher and rushes names for all the gold in the world. Rush did have a few posts worth reading. I'll miss those few.

Did you have anything of substance to add to the topic at hand?

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Cordially,
Rush

elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com
Remove the obvious...

Would elitist be considered bigots?
never mind..

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Nobody is nobody. Everyone has something to offer

Yes they would,

Good call.

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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Martin Luther King
I have a dream speech
August 28, 1963
17 mins

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1732754907698549493&q=

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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.'
(Leviticus 18:22)

'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have
done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will
be on their own heads.' (Leviticus 20:13)

Once again, it's not rocket science. Maybe you should try reading the Bible if you intend on questioning the actions of the church.

So *that* is why Jesus never broke bread with or associated with people who sinned!!!

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SETI@home since 1999
"Set it, and Forget it!"

'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.'
(Leviticus 18:22)

'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have
done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will
be on their own heads.' (Leviticus 20:13)

Once again, it's not rocket science. Maybe you should try reading the Bible if you intend on questioning the actions of the church.

So *that* is why Jesus never broke bread with or associated with people who sinned!!!

Oh great...an eye witness...!!!

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lol

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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0BqmzYAwEU

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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

I don't know how I missed this post:

I'm still trying to figure out where in the Gospel Jesus said it was ok to despise someone because of the sexual orientation.

It's not there, because he never said it...

'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.'
(Leviticus 18:22)

'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have
done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will
be on their own heads.' (Leviticus 20:13)

Although it remains detestable to God, old covenant, old rules, therefore, not applicable...
But they will still have to answer to God on judgement day, new covenant, new rules...

Once again, it's not rocket science.

Apparantly it is, even to some who think that it isn't... ;)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.'
(Leviticus 18:22)

'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have
done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will
be on their own heads.' (Leviticus 20:13)

Once again, it's not rocket science. Maybe you should try reading the Bible if you intend on questioning the actions of the church.

So *that* is why Jesus never broke bread with or associated with people who sinned!!!

Oh great...an eye witness...!!!

Don't give them the satisfaction of the so called validation of the concept of 'sin'...

Immorality? Yes, it's pervasive just as in all ages and societies. 'Sin'? That is assuming a moral premise that belongs to THEIR god(s) only.

For hundreds of years there have been available to any reader here moral systems based on reason and logic that are endearing to the hearts and sensibilities of us all....and preserve or advance our better natures that have nothing to do with ghosts, goblins, faeries, voodoo, or gods. Truth is is that most people adopt what's born for them. They fashion their arguments around that structure and won't let go no matter what argument...that's called 'closed mindedness'. The inability to consider rational argument, logic, evidence, and reason.

Take a peak! Pick one. They're all over.

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Founder of BOINC team Objectivists. Oh the humanity! Rational people crunching data!
I did NOT authorize this belly writing!