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Message 602320 - Posted: 12 Jul 2007, 14:09:44 UTC - in response to Message 602316.  


Death is no one's friend.


@ KM - ? WHAT ? exactly - Do You Mean by that Statement Sir! ?



I think he might have meant that Death himself isn't anyone's friend? You know, maybe because it's not good for the profession. :-D

I expect one or two Buddhists may say that death was their friend. The sooner they can finish this wretched existence, the sooner they can start another.

It's a pity you have to close the book though, instead of just turning the page.


A lot of people believe, are quite convinced actually, that the page does keep turning, in a spirit world of some sort.

...Here I go dragging another thread off topic


I can feel myself turning a leaf, right now!...LOL


Hmm, I don't know, you never really know what awaits at the other side.

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Yes I do...my book is a comedy! Heehee
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Message 602323 - Posted: 12 Jul 2007, 14:16:03 UTC - in response to Message 602318.  


Death is no one's friend.


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I think he might have meant that Death himself isn't anyone's friend? You know, maybe because it's not good for the profession. :-D

I expect one or two Buddhists may say that death was their friend. The sooner they can finish this wretched existence, the sooner they can start another.

It's a pity you have to close the book though, instead of just turning the page.


A lot of people believe, are quite convinced actually, that the page does keep turning, in a spirit world of some sort.

...Here I go dragging another thread off topic


. . . havE NO fEar mi friEnd - this TopiC (dEath) is not so rEadily talkEd 'bout by most . . . firE away . . .



Ah, thanks nobody. No, it's not readily talked about. I guess people just don't want to be reminded of the inevitable.

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Message 602325 - Posted: 12 Jul 2007, 14:18:52 UTC - in response to Message 602323.  


Death is no one's friend.


@ KM - ? WHAT ? exactly - Do You Mean by that Statement Sir! ?



I think he might have meant that Death himself isn't anyone's friend? You know, maybe because it's not good for the profession. :-D

I expect one or two Buddhists may say that death was their friend. The sooner they can finish this wretched existence, the sooner they can start another.

It's a pity you have to close the book though, instead of just turning the page.


A lot of people believe, are quite convinced actually, that the page does keep turning, in a spirit world of some sort.

...Here I go dragging another thread off topic


. . . havE NO fEar mi friEnd - this TopiC (dEath) is not so rEadily talkEd 'bout by most . . . firE away . . .



Ah, thanks nobody. No, it's not readily talked about. I guess people just don't want to be reminded of the inevitable.


. . . onE has to rEalizE that - *in thE blink of an EyE* - things changE and arE 'inEvitablE' too . . .


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Message 602329 - Posted: 12 Jul 2007, 14:25:53 UTC - in response to Message 602323.  
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Death is no one's friend.


@ KM - ? WHAT ? exactly - Do You Mean by that Statement Sir! ?



I think he might have meant that Death himself isn't anyone's friend? You know, maybe because it's not good for the profession. :-D

I expect one or two Buddhists may say that death was their friend. The sooner they can finish this wretched existence, the sooner they can start another.

It's a pity you have to close the book though, instead of just turning the page.


A lot of people believe, are quite convinced actually, that the page does keep turning, in a spirit world of some sort.

...Here I go dragging another thread off topic


. . . havE NO fEar mi friEnd - this TopiC (dEath) is not so rEadily talkEd 'bout by most . . . firE away . . .



Ah, thanks nobody. No, it's not readily talked about. I guess people just don't want to be reminded of the inevitable.


Okay, I'll talk about it a bit. There's something really troubling me.

I had two wonderful dogs, for 20 years... Rebel, my English Shepphard, was a warm, playful, energetic, affectionate dog. He died a short while back. My other dog, Pooh-Bear, a Chow-Chow, was fierce, loyal, reserved, but also deeply affectionate to me. He died a few months after Rebel.

If you'd asked me while they were both alive, which was my favorite of the two, it'd would've been hard for me to say, but I would've given the edge to Rebel, who never left my side.

They both died ugly, painful deaths from cancer.

For some darn reason, Rebel is already starting to fade from my memory; I mean his exact appearance, the number of times I think of him. Whereas Pooh-Bear's last moments are always fresh in my mind, and I think of him more times, than I do of Rebel.

It just ain't right! and it really bothers me. :(

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Message 602332 - Posted: 12 Jul 2007, 14:31:18 UTC - in response to Message 602320.  


Death is no one's friend.


@ KM - ? WHAT ? exactly - Do You Mean by that Statement Sir! ?



I think he might have meant that Death himself isn't anyone's friend? You know, maybe because it's not good for the profession. :-D

I expect one or two Buddhists may say that death was their friend. The sooner they can finish this wretched existence, the sooner they can start another.

It's a pity you have to close the book though, instead of just turning the page.


A lot of people believe, are quite convinced actually, that the page does keep turning, in a spirit world of some sort.

...Here I go dragging another thread off topic


I can feel myself turning a leaf, right now!...LOL


Hmm, I don't know, you never really know what awaits at the other side.

Angels & Ghosts

Yes I do...my book is a comedy! Heehee


See... I can pretty much find comedy in just about everything. But when it comes to trying to seriously visualise what the other side is like, I can't seem to fathom it in any kind of comedic way.

Course, I ain't saying for certain that it isn't a place ruled by Bob Hope :-D

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Message 602333 - Posted: 12 Jul 2007, 14:50:33 UTC - in response to Message 602329.  
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Okay, I'll talk about it a bit. There's something really troubling me.

I had two wonderful dogs, for 20 years... Rebel, my English Shepphard, was a warm, playful, energetic, affectionate dog. He died a short while back. My other dog, Pooh-Bear, a Chow-Chow, was fierce, loyal, reserved, but also deeply affectionate to me. He died a few months after Rebel.

If you'd asked me while they were both alive, which was my favorite of the two, it'd would've been hard for me to say, but I would've given the edge to Rebel, who never left my side.

They both died ugly, painful deaths from cancer.

For some darn reason, Rebel is already starting to fade from my memory; I mean his exact appearance, the number of times I think of him. Whereas Pooh-Bear's last moments are always fresh in my mind, and I think of him more times, than I do of Rebel.

It just ain't right! and it really bothers me. :(


Maybe it's a subconscious protective measure. Protecting you by repressing memories that might cause you emotional pain.

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Message 602334 - Posted: 12 Jul 2007, 14:55:34 UTC - in response to Message 602329.  


Death is no one's friend.


@ KM - ? WHAT ? exactly - Do You Mean by that Statement Sir! ?



I think he might have meant that Death himself isn't anyone's friend? You know, maybe because it's not good for the profession. :-D

I expect one or two Buddhists may say that death was their friend. The sooner they can finish this wretched existence, the sooner they can start another.

It's a pity you have to close the book though, instead of just turning the page.


A lot of people believe, are quite convinced actually, that the page does keep turning, in a spirit world of some sort.

...Here I go dragging another thread off topic


. . . havE NO fEar mi friEnd - this TopiC (dEath) is not so rEadily talkEd 'bout by most . . . firE away . . .



Ah, thanks nobody. No, it's not readily talked about. I guess people just don't want to be reminded of the inevitable.


Okay, I'll talk about it a bit. There's something really troubling me.

I had two wonderful dogs, for 20 years... Rebel, my English Shepphard, was a warm, playful, energetic, affectionate dog. He died a short while back. My other dog, Pooh-Bear, a Chow-Chow, was fierce, loyal, reserved, but also deeply affectionate to me. He died a few months after Rebel.

If you'd asked me while they were both alive, which was my favorite of the two, it'd would've been hard for me to say, but I would've given the edge to Rebel, who never left my side.

They both died ugly, painful deaths from cancer.

For some darn reason, Rebel is already starting to fade from my memory; I mean his exact appearance, the number of times I think of him. Whereas Pooh-Bear's last moments are always fresh in my mind, and I think of him more times, than I do of Rebel.

It just ain't right! and it really bothers me. :(

Beethoven, if you have a partner, you will know that you don’t spend all your life nuzzling each other. Pooh-Bear is probably more of a soul mate to you, your thoughts now returning to him. Rebel is probably more of a younger soul, as he sought comfort from you, “anyone will do”, but a soul none-the-less. We don’t always recognize our truest friends until it is too late, when perhaps they try to reach to our thoughts from the soul-plane.



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Message 602336 - Posted: 12 Jul 2007, 15:00:31 UTC - in response to Message 602333.  


Okay, I'll talk about it a bit. There's something really troubling me.

I had two wonderful dogs, for 20 years... Rebel, my English Shepphard, was a warm, playful, energetic, affectionate dog. He died a short while back. My other dog, Pooh-Bear, a Chow-Chow, was fierce, loyal, reserved, but also deeply affectionate to me. He died a few months after Rebel.

If you'd asked me while they were both alive, which was my favorite of the two, it'd would've been hard for me to say, but I would've given the edge to Rebel, who never left my side.

They both died ugly, painful deaths from cancer.

For some darn reason, Rebel is already starting to fade from my memory; I mean his exact appearance, the number of times I think of him. Whereas Pooh-Bear's last moments are always fresh in my mind, and I think of him more times, than I do of Rebel.

It just ain't right! and it really bothers me. :(


Maybe it's a subconscious protective measure. Protecting you by repressing memories that might cause you emotional pain.


Yes, I think you are right.


"I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me

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Message 602339 - Posted: 12 Jul 2007, 15:05:21 UTC


. . . and so - wE havE bEEn through *CErtain* ExpEriEnCEs - in lifE -

that lEad us to this 'CoMEdy of Errors' . . .


of sorts . . . i might add /



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Message 602378 - Posted: 12 Jul 2007, 16:25:30 UTC

Thanks for your thoughts, guys! It gives me some consolation.

I know I loved Rebel very much. He was the most wonderful friend in every way.

I think maybe the repression theory may be right. His was the first of the two deaths, and it was very hard to bear.

Anyway...Thanks!


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Message 602396 - Posted: 12 Jul 2007, 16:47:48 UTC

I don't know that it is repression.
In repression, something is forced down, deeply, quickly and quite forcefully.
You remember Rebel.
You're forgetting some details.
This is natural with memory, considering aging and all the other memories stored within the mind.
An example of repression would be such as the following:
My father, mother, older brother and I were on our way to see family in Rochester, NY some time in the 70's. I was trying to open my thermos. I couldn't. Mom tried and couldn't. Dad got frustrated, grabbed the thermos while he was driving and we wound up in a ditch. We were near a farm and some farmer had to come pull us out with his tractor.
My Dad does not remember this. At all. It was during a time shortly before a rough divorce.
I mentioned it to my brother many years later. The memories came rolling back for him, allowing him to connect some things about it he had remembered to reconstruct the entire event.
I have reminded him (my brother) of several things. He's reminded me of a few.
With time, aging and all the stuff in my head regarding my Ph.D. studies, I'm sure there are things similar that I remembered for a long time but no longer can. But it's not repression.
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Message 602475 - Posted: 12 Jul 2007, 19:56:53 UTC - in response to Message 602396.  

I don't know that it is repression.
In repression, something is forced down, deeply, quickly and quite forcefully.
You remember Rebel.
You're forgetting some details.
This is natural with memory, considering aging and all the other memories stored within the mind.
An example of repression would be such as the following:
My father, mother, older brother and I were on our way to see family in Rochester, NY some time in the 70's. I was trying to open my thermos. I couldn't. Mom tried and couldn't. Dad got frustrated, grabbed the thermos while he was driving and we wound up in a ditch. We were near a farm and some farmer had to come pull us out with his tractor.
My Dad does not remember this. At all. It was during a time shortly before a rough divorce.
I mentioned it to my brother many years later. The memories came rolling back for him, allowing him to connect some things about it he had remembered to reconstruct the entire event.
I have reminded him (my brother) of several things. He's reminded me of a few.
With time, aging and all the stuff in my head regarding my Ph.D. studies, I'm sure there are things similar that I remembered for a long time but no longer can. But it's not repression.


I don't know what it is, but this talking has been helping me remember Rebel very well today.


So, thanks guys!

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Message 602724 - Posted: 13 Jul 2007, 8:35:23 UTC - in response to Message 602396.  
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I was trying to open my thermos. I couldn't. Mom tried and couldn't. Dad got frustrated, grabbed the thermos while he was driving and we wound up in a ditch. We were near a farm and some farmer had to come pull us out with his tractor.
My Dad does not remember this. At all. It was during a time shortly before a rough divorce.
I mentioned it to my brother many years later. The memories came rolling back for him, allowing him to connect some things about it he had remembered to reconstruct the entire event.


How about the possibility that the mind is prioritizing certain things? Like subconsciously preferring to keep memories that are more positive while suppressing the memories that might be more negative. Your father might not remember because he ended up putting the car in the ditch. And that could be a reason for the memory being suppressed. In the 60's my parents were in an accident where my dad lost control of the car and it ended up flipping over a dozen times. My mom told me the story a whole bunch of times, but my dad doesn't remember what happened as clearly as my mom does. No serious injuries.

Lot's of people have a hard time remembering events from their past. Often durring hypnosis, memories that are difficult to recall come back clearly.

I'm going to ask my parents about that accident BTW to see what the differences in the story are.


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Message 602776 - Posted: 13 Jul 2007, 13:11:33 UTC

If that was the case, the majority of people would have little to no ability to recall physically or emotionally painful events. But many people can and dp.
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Message 602785 - Posted: 13 Jul 2007, 13:52:23 UTC


> i have 'vivid & detailed' Recall of Most Events - baCk to whEn i was a child - and i am 58 yrs. young in October . . .


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Message 602787 - Posted: 13 Jul 2007, 13:54:17 UTC

... that it's great Pappa is our friend!
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