Is to follow the laws always right?

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thorin belvrog Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 29 Sep 06 Posts: 6418 Credit: 8,893 RAC: 0	Message 587479 - Posted: 16 Jun 2007, 7:17:08 UTC Last modified: 16 Jun 2007, 7:17:50 UTC To take up an idea from the "Illegal Immigration - right or wrong" thread: I wonder if it's always right to strictly obey the laws, or is it better to take laws as a guideline as long as they are morally and ethically right? Account frozen... ID: 587479 ·

Knightmare Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 16 Aug 04 Posts: 7472 Credit: 94,252 RAC: 0	Message 587481 - Posted: 16 Jun 2007, 7:26:45 UTC Hmmmm.... This is a pretty good question I think. My thought is....is it right for someone to take a Stop sign as a guidleine?? Or is it right that they simply stop?? There are some VERY silly laws from many years ago that are still on the books. This subject has the potential to be rather slippery. Air Cold, the blade stops; from silent stone, Death is preordained Calm Chaos Forums : Everyone Welcome ID: 587481 ·

cRunchy Volunteer moderator Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 3555 Credit: 1,920,030 RAC: 3	Message 587485 - Posted: 16 Jun 2007, 7:32:45 UTC - in response to Message 587479. Last modified: 16 Jun 2007, 7:33:50 UTC To take up an idea from the "Illegal Immigration - right or wrong" thread: I wonder if it's always right to strictly obey the laws, or is it better to take laws as a guideline as long as they are morally and ethically right? OK.. Let me be me.. I know the 'Immigrant..' (and 'Gun') thread were American ONLY things but let me just stop you for a moment... Do you want my ideas? Can I join In? Will you SETI crunchers hear me or are we billions of people outside of the USA's 120 or so million not to be listened to? I know if you are American you need to talk about your own things but SETI is a world wide community..?? I fall apart being alive... but I so want to join in... Is this a US only thread.... yet again :( Or can I talk to my friends regardless of their birth or blood.. Sorry for being me.. again.. ID: 587485 ·

Darth Dogbytes™ Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 30 Jul 03 Posts: 7512 Credit: 2,021,148 RAC: 0	Message 587487 - Posted: 16 Jun 2007, 7:33:33 UTC Ever hear of "jury nullification"...? Account frozen... ID: 587487 ·

cRunchy Volunteer moderator Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 3555 Credit: 1,920,030 RAC: 3	Message 587489 - Posted: 16 Jun 2007, 7:34:46 UTC - in response to Message 587487. Ever hear of "jury nullification"...? Oi.. I thought you were in the UK? ID: 587489 ·

Knightmare Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 16 Aug 04 Posts: 7472 Credit: 94,252 RAC: 0	Message 587491 - Posted: 16 Jun 2007, 7:37:47 UTC - in response to Message 587485. To take up an idea from the "Illegal Immigration - right or wrong" thread: I wonder if it's always right to strictly obey the laws, or is it better to take laws as a guideline as long as they are morally and ethically right? OK.. Let me be me.. I know the 'Immigrant..' (and 'Gun') thread were American ONLY things but let me just stop you for a moment... Do you want my ideas? Can I join In? Will you SETI crunchers hear me or are we billions of people outside of the USA's 120 or so million not to be listened to? I know if you are American you need to talk about your own things but SETI is a world wide community..?? I fall apart being alive... but I so want to join in... Is this a US only thread.... yet again :( Or can I talk to my friends regardless of their birth or blood.. Sorry for being me.. again.. Actually, Crunchy...Thorin is from Germany so I don't think the " American Issues Only " tag would apply to this thread... Air Cold, the blade stops; from silent stone, Death is preordained Calm Chaos Forums : Everyone Welcome ID: 587491 ·

kittyman Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51468 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004	Message 587493 - Posted: 16 Jun 2007, 7:38:58 UTC Last modified: 16 Jun 2007, 7:39:42 UTC Morals and ethics, eh? I'm afraid that these days it depends on who's morals and ethics you subscribe to, as it seems that very few are emparted to the young. There seems to be little dicipline given to youngsters these days. Instead of 'you do this, you don't do that, and here is why', they get more of 'hey, your parents can't treat you like that, you have rights'. What a bunch of hogwash. Laws can be obeyed or ignored. Doesn't matter much until you get caught. The important thing is morals. Why did you do what you did, and how do you ratiinalize it or excuse it. Or do you even give a rat's petoot? I have by the Grace of God to have been given by MY elders a good sense of right from wrong, a great German work ethic, and a good dose of 'common sense', something that cannot be taught exept by example. 'Treat your parents well.....' "Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster ID: 587493 ·

Darth Dogbytes™ Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 30 Jul 03 Posts: 7512 Credit: 2,021,148 RAC: 0	Message 587499 - Posted: 16 Jun 2007, 7:53:08 UTC - in response to Message 587489. Ever hear of "jury nullification"...? Oi.. I thought you were in the UK? I am...I told everyone I would have net access...going over to Leyland this morning. Account frozen... ID: 587499 ·

cRunchy Volunteer moderator Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 3555 Credit: 1,920,030 RAC: 3	Message 587509 - Posted: 16 Jun 2007, 8:03:07 UTC - in response to Message 587491. SNIP... I know the 'Immigrant..' (and 'Gun') thread were American ONLY things but let me just stop you for a moment... Do you want my ideas? Can I join In? SNIP... Actually, Crunchy...Thorin is from Germany so I don't think the " American Issues Only " tag would apply to this thread... Darn.. I was trying to make a statement even if I did it in a cRappy pathetic way.. I tried.. Sorry :( "Is to follow the laws always right?" NO! I think our laws (mine in the UK) should be our best hopes and our protection.. They should never be something to be followed but things to be achieved or mark the borders of our falling. But then I am mad.. You sure this isn't a US thread? <Big gRin> ID: 587509 ·

kittyman Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51468 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004	Message 587516 - Posted: 16 Jun 2007, 8:05:16 UTC - in response to Message 587509. You sure this isn't a US thread? <Big gRin> Of course it's a US thread. "Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster ID: 587516 ·

cRunchy Volunteer moderator Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 3555 Credit: 1,920,030 RAC: 3	Message 587518 - Posted: 16 Jun 2007, 8:11:19 UTC - in response to Message 587499. Ever hear of "jury nullification"...? Oi.. I thought you were in the UK? I am...I told everyone I would have net access...going over to Leyland this morning. You might have told everyone else but I'm happily rather ignorant of everything... I hope you have a big whacking stick! When in England do as the English do! ID: 587518 ·

Allie in Vancouver Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 16 Mar 07 Posts: 3949 Credit: 1,604,668 RAC: 0	Message 587520 - Posted: 16 Jun 2007, 8:14:36 UTC For some of us this could be a dangerous question to answer. (Innocent...with an explanation) Pure mathematics is, in its way, the poetry of logical ideas. Albert Einstein ID: 587520 ·

cRunchy Volunteer moderator Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 3555 Credit: 1,920,030 RAC: 3	Message 587521 - Posted: 16 Jun 2007, 8:14:59 UTC - in response to Message 587516. You sure this isn't a US thread? <Big gRin> Of course it's a US thread. Pants! Is that an 'us' (as in the any person) or a "US" (as in people from that big country) type us... Can I join in? ID: 587521 ·

kittyman Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51468 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004	Message 587522 - Posted: 16 Jun 2007, 8:17:05 UTC Aw shucks, anybody's 2 bits is always welcome, as long as they are civil about it. "Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster ID: 587522 ·

thorin belvrog Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 29 Sep 06 Posts: 6418 Credit: 8,893 RAC: 0	Message 587528 - Posted: 16 Jun 2007, 8:24:20 UTC - in response to Message 587516. You sure this isn't a US thread? <Big gRin> Of course it's a US thread. ... and a UK thread and a Germany thread and an Australia thread and and and... It's a thread for all people all over the world who are expected to obey their laws. But I could narrow the question a bit: Is to follow the laws always right even if they are morally or ethically (due to your common sense, or due to your belief/conviction) just wrong? Account frozen... ID: 587528 ·

cRunchy Volunteer moderator Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 3555 Credit: 1,920,030 RAC: 3	Message 587533 - Posted: 16 Jun 2007, 8:35:38 UTC Last modified: 16 Jun 2007, 8:38:41 UTC I was one of the people in the UK's 'Poll Tax' riots.. Actually I didn't riot I just marched with my friends and I never saw a police officer hit any one. If the law said I should kill anyone that had green skin I would rather die myself. I think it is a matter of degrees. Some people would happily report someone for being 'something' others couldn't care less.. Are you asking the question because you have just broken the law Thorin.. HeHehe.. Tell us :o) ID: 587533 ·

kittyman Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51468 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004	Message 587537 - Posted: 16 Jun 2007, 8:41:07 UTC - in response to Message 587528. You sure this isn't a US thread? <Big gRin> Of course it's a US thread. ... and a UK thread and a Germany thread and an Australia thread and and and... It's a thread for all people all over the world who are expected to obey their laws. But I could narrow the question a bit: Is to follow the laws always right even if they are morally or ethically (due to your common sense, or due to your belief/conviction) just wrong? I supppose one could consider it 'right' to disobey the laws when they don't coincide with your morals or beliefs. But would that extend to the bombing of Oklahoma City? "Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster ID: 587537 ·

cRunchy Volunteer moderator Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 3555 Credit: 1,920,030 RAC: 3	Message 587541 - Posted: 16 Jun 2007, 8:50:26 UTC - in response to Message 587537. I supppose one could consider it 'right' to disobey the laws when they don't coincide with your morals or beliefs. But would that extend to the bombing of Oklahoma City? I won't go there but if Oklahoma City was full of bubonic plague and every single citizen there wanted to kill me and all the children in my town I would seriously consider bombing them big time... Back in the real world I challenge anyone here on these SETI board to come forwards and say they have never ever downloaded or used some piece of software that they should have paid for but did not... ID: 587541 ·

kittyman Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51468 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004	Message 587547 - Posted: 16 Jun 2007, 8:57:38 UTC - in response to Message 587541. I supppose one could consider it 'right' to disobey the laws when they don't coincide with your morals or beliefs. But would that extend to the bombing of Oklahoma City? I won't go there but if Oklahoma City was full of bubonic plague and every single citizen there wanted to kill me and all the children in my town I would seriously consider bombing them big time... Back in the real world I challenge anyone here on these SETI board to come forwards and say they have never ever downloaded or used some piece of software that they should have paid for but did not... Aw, crunch, are you going where Sarge did with his 'I can't drive 55' thread? I there nobody that can say they have never broken a law? "Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster ID: 587547 ·

Lester Send message Joined: 6 Jun 07 Posts: 414 Credit: 38,111 RAC: 0	Message 587562 - Posted: 16 Jun 2007, 9:27:39 UTC - in response to Message 587481. Hmmmm.... This is a pretty good question I think. My thought is....is it right for someone to take a Stop sign as a guidleine?? Or is it right that they simply stop?? There are some VERY silly laws from many years ago that are still on the books. This subject has the potential to be rather slippery. "very silly" ? nightmare ? Its illegal to shoot Jackrabbits from the back of Los Angeles trolly cars ! Makes sense to me . . . ID: 587562 ·

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