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mdpagel Send message Joined: 18 Sep 99 Posts: 53 Credit: 2,619,543 RAC: 0 |
I'm curious as to why certain computers (running windowsXP and not some funky OS architecture that doesn't have a compiled S@H) is still running old clients. These old clients don't claim the "correct" number of credits, and often are overriding the claims of more recent versions (which appear to be very consistant in their claims). I thought the server was supposed to upload to the user a new client when the old one was outdated, assuming they were running a stock client and not an optimized version (ie, no client_info.xml present) I've been encountering multiple users still running 4.45 on XP. Not a big bitching...just a curiosity. |
Ivailo Bonev Send message Joined: 26 Jun 00 Posts: 247 Credit: 35,864,461 RAC: 2 |
S@H is a application not client (those are automaticly downloaded), Boinc client is a shell and SETI crew can't do nothing with old clients. You get wrong with those two different things. Sorry for my bad English :) |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
Ivailo is correct. Only the science app is automatically updated. The BOINC client must be manually updated by the user. |
Alinator Send message Joined: 19 Apr 05 Posts: 4178 Credit: 4,647,982 RAC: 0 |
To add to what Ozz said (and your reason), reasons for running old CC's: 1.) To work problems with going through proxies in certain circumstances (legitimate). 2.) Host on 'auto-pilot', and the user never checks the message tab, or here, or on the main BOINC web site to see what's happening (lazy). 3.) User just doesn't care if it might have an adverse effect on others if you don;t stay current if possible (rude). ;-) Alinator |
Andy Lee Robinson Send message Joined: 8 Dec 05 Posts: 630 Credit: 59,973,836 RAC: 0 |
Ivailo is correct. Only the science app is automatically updated. The BOINC client must be manually updated by the user. Indeed, but SETI could put warning messages in red to advise the user to upgrade, if that user just happens to notice. |
TimeLord04 Send message Joined: 9 Mar 06 Posts: 21140 Credit: 33,933,039 RAC: 23 |
Ivailo is correct. Only the science app is automatically updated. The BOINC client must be manually updated by the user. Actually; now, intermittent messages are popping up via the Message Tab in BOINC advising people that "BOINC Version 'X' is the current BOINC release. Go to the Project Home Page to download it." (Paraphrased slightly, but essentially correct...) 'X' presently is 5.8.16. While there are other Versions above 5.8.16, these are all "Beta" Versions for the most part; the actual Full Version "authorized" per the SETI at Home "Home Page" is 5.8.16. With the above said; however, I am running 5.4.11 because of the complaints about the 5.8.x "flavors". Some of the complaints I actually experienced; there are many complaints, too many for me to list. So, I am waiting for a more "stable" Version; hopefully, 5.10.x flavors will fit the bill. So, for now I am ignoring the messages that have popped up at least 10 times for me, already. Also; as far as I am aware, Version 5.4.11 claims correct amount of credit per WU, anyway... Some Versions older than 5.4.11 do have issues with credit. Sincerely, TimeLord04 Have TARDIS, will travel... Come along K-9! Join Calm Chaos |
Josef W. Segur Send message Joined: 30 Oct 99 Posts: 4504 Credit: 1,414,761 RAC: 0 |
...as far as I am aware, Version 5.4.11 claims correct amount of credit per WU, anyway... Some Versions older than 5.4.11 do have issues with credit. The ability to actually report fpops_cumulative as used by setiathome_enhanced for credits was completed 27 October 2005. BOINC 5.2.5 probably has it, 5.2.6 and later certainly do. Joe |
Pooh Bear 27 Send message Joined: 14 Jul 03 Posts: 3224 Credit: 4,603,826 RAC: 0 |
Added to Alinator Some OS's do not have a newer version. IE: Novell, Sparc and some others. These versions are made by volunteers, which the numbers are getting smaller and smaller. My movie https://vimeo.com/manage/videos/502242 |
Ingleside Send message Joined: 4 Feb 03 Posts: 1546 Credit: 15,832,022 RAC: 13 |
The ability to actually report fpops_cumulative as used by setiathome_enhanced for credits was completed 27 October 2005. BOINC 5.2.5 probably has it, 5.2.6 and later certainly do. v4.46 and later should in theory have it, but, due to a bug it didn't work before in v5.2.6. "I make so many mistakes. But then just think of all the mistakes I don't make, although I might." |
Alinator Send message Joined: 19 Apr 05 Posts: 4178 Credit: 4,647,982 RAC: 0 |
Added to Alinator Agreed, but the OP already defined that as 'legitimate'. Although, I'd almost bet those users would take exception to calling their OS 'funky'. :-) Alinator |
Henning Jensen Send message Joined: 9 Jun 99 Posts: 3 Credit: 2,468,937 RAC: 0 |
"I've been encountering multiple users still running 4.45 (on XP.)" I see the same, and I have the latest Chicken S@H 5.9.11. See http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=134493308 Where we are two claiming 12.94 and the 4.45 version is get through with 8.69. Then some is running with 5.4.9 and they are .01 down from my claim. See http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=134493272 Repeating "Not a big bitching...just a curiosity." Regards |
Alinator Send message Joined: 19 Apr 05 Posts: 4178 Credit: 4,647,982 RAC: 0 |
Just for reference: Yes it's not unusual to see a .01 or so difference between the claims when you are teamed up with hosts running the stock science app. However, this doesn't have anything to do with what version of BOINC you are running per se, as long as it's not a very early 5x release, or 4x. There is one optimized app exception, which is if you are running Crunch3r's early SAH Enhanced application it won't claim quite correctly (but far less 'error' than 4x clients do) due to being released before the 'credit factor' for SAH Enhanced was finalized. HTH, Alinator |
Dotsch Send message Joined: 9 Jun 99 Posts: 2422 Credit: 919,393 RAC: 0 |
Added to Alinator The most common used, not by Berkeley supported BOINC clients, are a long time ago (still) BOINC 5.2.x to 5.8.x clients. Including Solaris, HP-UX, Irix, *BSD,... |
Keith T. Send message Joined: 23 Aug 99 Posts: 962 Credit: 537,293 RAC: 9 |
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=135001751 is one of the worst I have seen recently. 3 credits for 2.5 hours crunching. Should have been 12.91 or 12.92 Computer ID 2040813 Report deadline 20 Jun 2007 4:46:02 UTC CPU time 1896.34375 stderr out <core_client_version>5.2.5</core_client_version> <stderr_txt> Optimized SETI@Home Enhanced application Optimizers: Ben Herndon, Josef Segur, Alex Kan, Simon Zadra Version: Windows SSE3-P4/PD 32-bit based on S@H V5.15 'Noo? No - Ni!' Revision: R-2.2B|xP|FFT:IPP_SSE3|Ben-Joe CPUID: Intel Pentium-IV 'Prescott' CPUs: 1, cores: 1, threads: 2 cache: L1=16K, L2=2048K, L3=0K Features: MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, speed: 3000 MHz -- read MB/s: L1=4366, L2=3955, RAM=3065 Work Unit Info True angle range: 3.861478 Spikes Pulses Triplets Gaussians Flops 0 0 0 0 3330724346236 </stderr_txt> Validate state Valid Claimed credit 2.99864745685486 Granted credit 2.99864745685486 The owner Anonymous is using Microsoft Windows XP Professional Edition, Service Pack 2, (05.01.2600.00) and has updated the Chicken app recently to 2.2B but is using BOINC version 5.2.5 !! |
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