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D/B, I've asked you and Jeffrey the same types of hard questions that I asked of others two weeks ago.
So, you do not like being accused of something, yet you throw accusations at Jeffrey? I ask you for links that beyond the shadow of a doubt confirm what you claimed he said. But where are the links? Even after I gave you an additional aid for how to go through people's posts more quickly.
I wonder if I can get banned again because this time it involves you two.
Probably not.

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It's been a while, but in certain situations, I do not recall anyone pointing any fingers at anyone except directly at leaders of small groups, such as Jim Jones in Guyana, David Koresh in Waco, Texas and the Heaven's Gate guy in (California?).

True, but those guys claimed themselves as something equivalent to "God" and were outside organized Christianity. Most of the Islamic extremists recruit followers of Islam to fight on behalf of Islam. These same fighters are told their actions are justified by the religion itself, not just by their charismatic leaders. Suicide bombers yell out praise of their Islamic God just before pulling the trigger. Whereas the three small groups you named did their main damage to themselves rather than to the rest of society.

Just so you know, I did read this and understand. I currently have no extensions of my original thoughts on this portion of the thread.

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Just so you know

With 1/5 to 1/4 of the worlds population being Muslim... If the Qur'an actually taught what the haters and warmongers are claiming, after almost 2000 years, the 'infidels' would have already been dead...

Think about it... ;)

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Just so you know

With 1/5 to 1/4 of the worlds population being Muslim... If the Qur'an actually taught what the haters and warmongers are claiming, after almost 2000 years, the 'infidels' would have already been dead...

Think about it... ;)

I think it's also wrong to present Islam as a peaceful religion similar to, say, Buddhism, because it's not. It definitely has evangelical and conversion ambitions, as practiced today. I'd characterize it as an imperialistic religion.

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I think it's also wrong to present Islam as a peaceful religion similar to, say, Buddhism, because it's not. It definitely has evangelical and conversion tendencies, as practiced today.

I think the word evangelical is over-used. The church I went to growing up became part of the Evangelical Lutheran Church of America after a major merging of synods in the 70s or 80s. I can think of no way in which the way the term evangelical is being used today that would apply to the ELCA.

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Peaceful my backside...leaving Islam (becoming apostate) is punishable by only one applicable sanction under Sharia...DEATH.

Sura al-Baqara 2:217
Sura al-Tawba 9:5

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It is dangerous to generalize, especially when it comes to religion. Adherents of Islam, just like all other major religions, come in an entire spectrum of how strong they believe and how fast they hold to that religion's tenets and dogma.

Speaking of the Peoples of The Book (for I have the most experience with those 3 groups), let me comment as follows.

In Judiasm, Christianity, and Islam, you have some people who basically are members in name only. They see it as a social club, their ancestors were members, or it gives them certain social and business advantages in their areas. They really don't strongly believe anything about it, they just give it lip service. These are the hypocrites.

On the other end of the spectrum, you have the True Believer Fundamentalists. They believe that their particular Holy Writ is 100% inerrant, and that they can do no wrong in the eyes of their particular Deity. When people get this focused and close-minded, they become susceptible to manipulation by evil people -- certain so-called religious leaders can get them to do pretty much anything by twisting around their particular holy writ so that it seems to support it.

However the bulk of the adherents are somewhere in the middle. They believe, at least to a certain extent, but are not so blind as to follow the cooks and nutjobs in some sort of Crusade/Jihad across the planet. These are the 'nice people' that make up the backbone of that particular faith.

I've known Christians, Jews, and Moslems in all three groups (hypocrites, fundamentalist nutjobs, and decent people). I think Jeffrey here is refering mainly to the 'decent people' Moslems, and most others here are refering to the nutjob Moslems, especially since it is the nutjobs that get the lion's share of the press these days. Also, I think that Islam still suffers some prejudice left over from its somewhat violent beginnings when it swept out of present-day Saudi Arabia and took over much of the then 'known world'. I am not sure how much of that was due to Islamic doctrine, and how much was due to the culture of its early adopters (the nomadic tribes in Saudi Arabia at the time (circa 700 C.E.))

MOST of the Moslims I know are nice peaceful people, but I do know some hypocrities and fundi-nutjobs. But then, I can say the same about the Jews and the Christians that I know as well.

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Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.

Careful, KWSN-MajorKong ... a fair and balanced point of view is not what these people want. But at least you can mod them if they get out of hand. :)

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Careful, KWSN-MajorKong ... a fair and balanced point of view is not what these people want. But at least you can mod them if they get out of hand. :)

...agreed, the fundalmentalist "nutjobs" to which MajorKong was refering.

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Careful, KWSN-MajorKong ... a fair and balanced point of view is not what these people want. But at least you can mod them if they get out of hand. :)

...agreed, the fundalmentalist "nutjobs" to which MajorKong was refering.

Looks like it goes both ways.
You still have not addressed many of the issues I raised.

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I also like the decent people more than the Zealots, because the zealots are too easy to manipulate, the don't question things they are preached to. So their Imam/ priest/ preacher/ whatever preaches and says: "Each non-believer is a pagan and the penalty for that is death, and death in the scripture just means physical death", and adds "The Scripture says so" - no single one of these zealots (or popinjays/nutjobs what ever you call them) question this. They just obey and repeat the words of the verses or of the preachings like an hypnotic mantra without questioning it, without looking up for the context, or just reading in the scriptures with their mind switched on.

Though I sometimes may sound like a preacher myself, I have gone through this. I have questioned every chapter of every Holy Book I read, compared it with secondary literature, compared it with cross-references - it came to following the footnotes zig-zag through those scriptures until I understood them at least a bit.

But others don't do that. I know a Christian couple - who do go to church every Sunday, and even go door to door on Saturday trying to convert people - who never ever had opened their own precious Bible because it's a holy book to them. Once I asked them they admitted that their priest would teach them better to understand the Gospel than their own reading would teach them...
But - they're going door to door with brochures. WTF? Do they even know what they try to tell the people? Have they studied what they reach? No, they just repeat the old same waltz of arguments like some living gramophones.

And I tend to compare those murdering d*%$#sses with these guys in a spiritual sense. Just believing what their preachers are saying, they don't even think about looking it up, and say for themselves: "The preacher told us that God said so. He is a wise man, else he wouldn't be a preacher - so he just can't lie. And we have to obey God's will." And BANG, another suicide bombing, BANG another assault...

Otherwise there are some real redneck fundamentalists, who study their Scriptures and take them seriously - too seriously for my concerns, and also without questioning or argument. They say "It's in the Scriptures, so it's spoken by God, we have to obey God." They are so close-minded and ignorant, but they rather operate from behind - being the preachers. These guys are more dangerous than the actual murderers, because they breed always new ones.

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Just found on another message board:

"When you're traveling on an airplane, and your neighbors are annoying you - put out your laptop, open it, look to the ceiling like praying, then click this link"

Ouch! I think, a free ride to Guantanamo Bay would be guaranteed...

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Just found on another message board:

"When you're traveling on an airplane, and your neighbors are annoying you - put out your laptop, open it, look to the ceiling like praying, then click this link"

Ouch! I think, a free ride to Guantanamo Bay would be guaranteed...

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fundamentalists, who study their Scriptures and take them seriously

Actually... These are the ONLY type of people who are not prone to being manipulated or deceived... Making them not very popular amongst, not only the ungodly, but among the hypocrites as well... ;)

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Here I call them like I see them. Dogbytes is %100 right. Christianity (which I am not a follower) outgrew it's barbaric, brutal, inhumane, unjust, torturous past and modified itself in accordance with the rational men that came later in western culture. Islam has not done this nor does the most influential of its members attempt to do so. Face the facts. Side with Dogbytes on this issue.

Peaceful my backside...leaving Islam (becoming apostate) is punishable by only one applicable sanction under Sharia...DEATH.

Sura al-Baqara 2:217
Sura al-Tawba 9:5

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I did NOT authorize this belly writing!

But you are generalizing again, R/B.
There is no "one" Christianity, as well as there is no "one" Islam - like there are Catholics and Orthodoxes and Protestants et cetera in Christianity, there are also a bunch of different Islam denominations which are even more opponent to each other than the Christian denominations. See just the main groups: Shiites and Sunnites - they even fight each other, just like the Protestants and Catholics in Northern Ireland.
Even the peaceful Buddhists had their barbaric wars in the past - but, as I stated before, wars aren't coming out of religion, but out of political reasons (caused mostly in greed and egoism and in expanding the reach of power)

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but, as I stated before, wars aren't coming out of religion, but out of political reasons (caused mostly in greed and egoism and in expanding the reach of power)
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And religions don't do that?

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but, as I stated before, wars aren't coming out of religion, but out of political reasons (caused mostly in greed and egoism and in expanding the reach of power)
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And religions don't do that?

Well, as far as I know, religions themselves don't matter any borders or nations - everyone all over the earth believing in that religion is a brother or sister. I want to remind you of the very first Christian missionaries - before there even was a Vatican State - they went to other countries and did nothing but preach to the citizens.
The "religious" wars started when political leadership and religious leadership began to be in ONE hand. It's politicians who want to expand their secular power, greedy people who appreciate money and treasures of the soil more than human lifes, who start wars.

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I can think of about one billion people killed either directly or indirectly
in the last 2,000 years because of religion. Exact figures will be emailed on request.

The Dark Side is very powerful...

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