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Message 640554 - Posted: 13 Sep 2007, 21:46:15 UTC

Thanks, John McLeod VII,

Could you link us? Very interested in seeing and reading about it!


Thanks again!
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Message 640659 - Posted: 14 Sep 2007, 0:07:26 UTC - in response to Message 640554.  

Thanks, John McLeod VII,

Could you link us? Very interested in seeing and reading about it!


Thanks again!

Certainly.


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Message 640662 - Posted: 14 Sep 2007, 0:08:19 UTC - in response to Message 640659.  
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Thanks, John McLeod VII,

Could you link us? Very interested in seeing and reading about it!


Thanks again!

Certainly.


Thanks!

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TESLA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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Message 640721 - Posted: 14 Sep 2007, 1:17:27 UTC - in response to Message 640662.  

Thanks, John McLeod VII,

Could you link us? Very interested in seeing and reading about it!


Thanks again!

Certainly.


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TESLA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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Message 640840 - Posted: 14 Sep 2007, 3:19:50 UTC
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Tesla's Fuelless Generator
The limits of the possible can only be defined by going beyond them into the impossible
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"The limits of the possible can only be defined by going beyond them into the impossible"
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"Science may set limits to knowledge, but should not set limits to imagination."
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Message 641143 - Posted: 14 Sep 2007, 14:19:43 UTC

Water Fuel cell suppressed in India
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Message 641233 - Posted: 14 Sep 2007, 16:35:20 UTC

Thanks Mikael Olofsson
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Message 641500 - Posted: 15 Sep 2007, 0:15:20 UTC - in response to Message 641143.  

Water Fuel cell suppressed in India

Snake oil salesman. The science is pure garbage.


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Message 641537 - Posted: 15 Sep 2007, 1:42:07 UTC
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Feel better?

Any idea if this person is a kid or not? Anything wrong with sharing data with friends? This could be an educational experience for people. True or false, people are looking for solutions.



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Message 641565 - Posted: 15 Sep 2007, 2:09:44 UTC

I don't like driving behind something that smells like burn't old grease .ugh
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Message 641570 - Posted: 15 Sep 2007, 2:18:22 UTC
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Bio diesel?


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Message 641614 - Posted: 15 Sep 2007, 3:43:08 UTC

E85 is a good idea only if it can be made from the corn stalks instead of the corn kernels. Making it from the corn kernels uses someplace between 0.9 and 1.1 gallons of diesel to produce the same energy from the corn (not as clean as you thought). E85 made from corn stalks and other such items such as saw dust, wheat stalks, the smelly stuff out of the kitchen garbage can, can write off most of the energy costs as being used anyway to grow food.


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Message 641619 - Posted: 15 Sep 2007, 3:48:41 UTC - in response to Message 641537.  

Feel better?

Any idea if this person is a kid or not? Anything wrong with sharing data with friends? This could be an educational experience for people. True or false, people are looking for solutions.



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Wisdom is recognizing the snake oil salesmen for what they are.

If it looks too good to be true, then it probably isn't true.

Raw data does not increase education, you just get lost in the raw data - especially if some of it is false. Education takes guidance (which is why we have teachers) to pick the books that can be understood at the level of education that the student currently has, and to winnow out the falsehoods.


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Message 641627 - Posted: 15 Sep 2007, 4:01:34 UTC
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And what is it you are teaching?

To close our eyes and to accept being talked down too?

We all learn when and where we can. Being talked down to by a person of authority here on these boards and being called snake oil peddlers when we are simply comparing notes teaches us something about you, not alt energy.

We all make mistakes. Then we learn from them.

Please leave us be unless you can shed light on our research, no matter how menial or insignificant it may seem to you.

I have nothing against you but Mikael Olofsson and I are looking for better ways before it is too late, if it isn't already too late.


Pretty please.


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Message 641630 - Posted: 15 Sep 2007, 4:11:19 UTC - in response to Message 641627.  

And what is it you are teaching?

To close our eyes and to accept being talked down too?

We all learn when and where we can. Being talked down to by a person of authority here on these boards and being called snake oil peddlers when we are simply comparing notes teaches us something about you, not alt energy.

We all make mistakes. Then we learn from them.

I wasn't calling anyone on these boards a snake oil peddler. But the people that make a serious claim that they have created an engine that gets power from nothing are indeed either charlatans or fools.

If someone actually succeeds, it turns much of physics on its head. Like all extraordinary claims it needs absoloute proof, and Men In Black ate my homework does not constitute proof at all.

Perhaps you should actually read some physics texts especially about thermodynamics?


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Message 641635 - Posted: 15 Sep 2007, 4:17:45 UTC - in response to Message 641630.  
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I wasn't calling anyone on these boards a snake oil peddler. But the people that make a serious claim that they have created an engine that gets power from nothing are indeed either charlatans or fools.


Thank you. The misunderstanding was on my part and I sincerely apologize. Text leaves much to be desired when it comes to accurate interpretation. (I hate it sometimes.)

If someone actually succeeds, it turns much of physics on its head. Like all extraordinary claims it needs absolute proof, and Men In Black ate my homework does not constitute proof at all.


This threads name has been misinterpreted, though I don't see the trouble with it. Nowhere does it say free or perpetual energy.

Perhaps you should actually read some physics texts especially about thermodynamics?


I will and I thank you.
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Message 641641 - Posted: 15 Sep 2007, 4:24:42 UTC
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MIT Thermodynamics Online Courses - Free

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Message 641670 - Posted: 15 Sep 2007, 5:50:01 UTC

Anyway, in the Perpetual Motion link above you can read whats behind the so called law of Conservation of Energy.
To quote the gist of it:
Now, Helmholtz transformed his thinking into a mighty principle which he made the subject of a paper destined for the prestigious journal Deutsche Annalen Physik. No-one had ever succeeded, he wrote, in building a perpetual motion machine that worked. Therefore, such machines must be impossible. If they are impossible it must be by reason of some natural law preventing their construction. This law, he said, could only be the law of Conservation of Energy.


So this law is built on the concept that: No-one had ever succeeded in building a perpetual motion machine that worked. Therefore, such machines must be impossible.


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Message 641676 - Posted: 15 Sep 2007, 6:26:09 UTC
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Thank you, Mikael.
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Message 641747 - Posted: 15 Sep 2007, 11:56:25 UTC

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