One of my grandfathers never smoked a day in his life but worked in a factory and died of lung cancer in his 30s. My other Grandpa has smoked since he was 14 but worked as a barber all his life. The smoking, living grandpa has nothing wrong with his health other than carple tunnel in both wrists (from comb and scissor motion) and swollen ankles (from standing and walking circles around the barber chair all day).
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I rather would say, smoking alone is not the reason for cancer and other diseases, it just raises the probability to get these diseases, nothing more.

Like alcohol and other drugs just lower your inhibitions and let you do and say things you just have been thinking about but never done or said when sober. You don't change at all, you just let out what's already inside you - and similar: you won't become sick only because of smoking: you just let the disease come out which is sleeping inside you.

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One of my grandfathers never smoked a day in his life but worked in a factory and died of lung cancer in his 30s. My other Grandpa has smoked since he was 14 but worked as a barber all his life. The smoking, living grandpa has nothing wrong with his health other than carple tunnel in both wrists (from comb and scissor motion) and swollen ankles (from standing and walking circles around the barber chair all day).
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I rather would say, smoking alone is not the reason for cancer and other diseases, it just raises the probability to get these diseases, nothing more.

Like alcohol and other drugs just lower your inhibitions and let you do and say things you just have been thinking about but never done or said when sober. You don't change at all, you just let out what's already inside you - and similar: you won't become sick only because of smoking: you just let the disease come out which is sleeping inside you.

Please inform the medical profession of these findings of yours immediately. They've been waiting for this kind of revelation for decades......well....centuries really if you count the dark ages and the persecution of the pagans etc etc. :-)

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Like alcohol and other drugs just lower your inhibitions and let you do and say things you just have been thinking about but never done or said when sober. You don't change at all, you just let out what's already inside you - and similar: you won't become sick only because of smoking: you just let the disease come out which is sleeping inside you.

The only thing sleeping inside me are the voices (or so he thinks...)

So I really want to put that lampshade on my head but I use my willpower to fight the urge because it's not socially exceptable? and then alcohol lowers my inhibitions so I do what has been inside me to do all along?

Someone might be thinking about getting cancer but doesn't do it because they are sober, and then smoking (or being around carinagines) is like taking a drug that allows them to want to be sick?

One of my grandfathers never smoked a day in his life but worked in a factory and died of lung cancer in his 30s. My other Grandpa has smoked since he was 14 but worked as a barber all his life. The smoking, living grandpa has nothing wrong with his health other than carple tunnel in both wrists (from comb and scissor motion) and swollen ankles (from standing and walking circles around the barber chair all day).
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I rather would say, smoking alone is not the reason for cancer and other diseases, it just raises the probability to get these diseases, nothing more.

Like alcohol and other drugs just lower your inhibitions and let you do and say things you just have been thinking about but never done or said when sober. You don't change at all, you just let out what's already inside you - and similar: you won't become sick only because of smoking: you just let the disease come out which is sleeping inside you.

Please inform the medical profession of these findings of yours immediately. They've been waiting for this kind of revelation for decades......well....centuries really if you count the dark ages and the persecution of the pagans etc etc. :-)

I always enjoy your sarcastic comments :P

I just posted my opinions which are based on what I could see. I'm not a physician.

About my alcohol comment: a person who is totally peaceful when sober will seldom become aggressive when drunken, while a person who is quickly aggressive when sober mostly become quite more aggressive when drunken.
About that one with the diseases: How comes that people who never ever smoked, not even passive, get "typical smoker diseases", while other people can grow real old who are strong smokers? Explain please.

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Oh, and on smoking herbal or natural cigs... BE CAREFULL if you have a job where you get drug tested, there is one out called savia or savilla or something like that and I just had a few guys get kicked out for smoking it. I guess some websites say it's good and some say it's bad, so figure out what your employer's policy is before you try it. You can buy it over the counter leagally in the USA as long as you are over 18yrs old.

People that have never had even one cigarette in their lifetime contract lung cancer.

Your idea that people with any sort of disease in their body have somehow 'got the disease inside them just waiting to get out' is a bit appalling.

It strikes me of 'original sin' doctrines where the innocent are afflicted by demonic possessions and whatnot. Remember how in history poor people with epilepsy were accused by churc, society, whoever...as this similar sort of thing?

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Actually, R/B, appalling or not, he's quite right. Cancer (atleast some types) is your cells reproducing at an alarming rate and everyone is suceptable (SP?). Carcinogens are everywhere, in tobacco smoke in car exhaust and the very air we breathe. These chemicals "Awaken" the cancers in all of us. No one is immune.

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Actually, R/B, appalling or not, he's quite right. Cancer (atleast some types) is your cells reproducing at an alarming rate and everyone is suceptable (SP?). Carcinogens are everywhere, in tobacco smoke in car exhaust and the very air we breathe. These chemicals "Awaken" the cancers in all of us. No one is immune.

Very true, my wife's grandfather smoked Camel non-filter since he was about 14, Drank a pint or two of whiskey, a day, plenty of beer, & finally died at 91 because he fell down, broke a hip, which released a blood clot that hit his heart. (indirectly died of drinking, probably)

A friend of mine that I worked with never smoked or drank, (at least all the years I knew him, about 20 years) died of cancer at about 45 years old.

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Actually, R/B, appalling or not, he's quite right. Cancer (atleast some types) is your cells reproducing at an alarming rate and everyone is suceptable (SP?). Carcinogens are everywhere, in tobacco smoke in car exhaust and the very air we breathe. These chemicals "Awaken" the cancers in all of us. No one is immune.

This is a horrible notion.... He never said anything like what you are extending this to. I used cancer as an example. His point was that disease is somehow inherent in the body and is awakened by sin or other such. You twisting it this way is horrid...........absolutely horrid.

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Actually, R/B, appalling or not, he's quite right. Cancer (atleast some types) is your cells reproducing at an alarming rate and everyone is suceptable (SP?). Carcinogens are everywhere, in tobacco smoke in car exhaust and the very air we breathe. These chemicals "Awaken" the cancers in all of us. No one is immune.

This is a horrible notion.... He never said anything like what you are extending this to. I used cancer as an example. His point was that disease is somehow inherent in the body and is awakened by sin or other such. You twisting it this way is horrid...........absolutely horrid.

I think you should read his post again and account for the fact that english is not his first language (Fourth if I remember correctly). "Horrid" LMAO!

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I have read that post again...and it is still horrid. He knew quite well what he was saying...and if you do not understand his language then you are at fault. What he said about implicating afflicted children is cruel beyond belief. You can remove yourself from this forum and discussion immediately if you cannot see that.

Actually, R/B, appalling or not, he's quite right. Cancer (atleast some types) is your cells reproducing at an alarming rate and everyone is suceptable (SP?). Carcinogens are everywhere, in tobacco smoke in car exhaust and the very air we breathe. These chemicals "Awaken" the cancers in all of us. No one is immune.

This is a horrible notion.... He never said anything like what you are extending this to. I used cancer as an example. His point was that disease is somehow inherent in the body and is awakened by sin or other such. You twisting it this way is horrid...........absolutely horrid.

I think you should read his post again and account for the fact that english is not his first language (Fourth if I remember correctly). "Horrid" LMAO!

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Actually, R/B, appalling or not, he's quite right. Cancer (atleast some types) is your cells reproducing at an alarming rate and everyone is suceptable (SP?). Carcinogens are everywhere, in tobacco smoke in car exhaust and the very air we breathe. These chemicals "Awaken" the cancers in all of us. No one is immune.

This is a horrible notion.... He never said anything like what you are extending this to. I used cancer as an example. His point was that disease is somehow inherent in the body and is awakened by sin or other such. You twisting it this way is horrid...........absolutely horrid.

I'm quite sure that I never said the disease would be awakened like by sin. I said, that the disease which is already sleeping in you, will come out: if there's no affinity to cancer (or whatever) in your body already, you will not get these diseases even if you smoke 50 cigarettes daily, for 70 years. If you have this affinity - well, sickness comes. But: unless you check your genome you'll never know whether or not you'll become "sick by smoking". But even the affinity to using drugs (alcohol, tobacco among them) is told to be fixed in the DNA.
Sure it looks like the "original sin" argument. But a lot of things - among these our affinity to get certain diseases - is fixed in our DNA. This doesn't mean you have to suffer these diseases: only that there is a certain probability for you to get them. And you even can carry (recessive) diseases inside you to pass them over to one the next generations. And I tried to state that the probability for these diseases to come out can raise by the poisons we inhale when smoking.
Sure on the first view it looks cruel, and I tried to express it otherwise, but couldn't. My own brother died on cancer just two weeks after his 15th birthday, twenty years ago.

@Pawly: Yes, English is not my first language - German is. Actually, English was the second foreign language I learned back in school, besides Russian (which I mostly forgot due to a lack of use) - and ATM I'm adding French and Italian to it.

@Robert: You are right, I knew well what I wanted to say but I'm not sure anymore if it was that what in fact I was saying: you show me that I have to practise more before I can write in an order every native English speaker could understand. Despite knowing the fact that I'm not perfect (but fancying I'm fluent enough) I tried to express as much as possible without using a dictionary. I simply should be less self-confident about my language abilities. Excuse me, please.

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@Robert: You are right, I knew well what I wanted to say but I'm not sure anymore if it was that what in fact I was saying: you show me that I have to practise more before I can write in an order every native English speaker could understand. Despite knowing the fact that I'm not perfect (but fancying I'm fluent enough) I tried to express as much as possible without using a dictionary. I simply should be less self-confident about my language abilities. Excuse me, please.

Nothing to feel bad or apologize about there. I wish my Czech was as good as your English. Alas, I have no reason to ever use that language.

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I have read that post again...and it is still horrid. He knew quite well what he was saying...and if you do not understand his language then you are at fault. What he said about implicating afflicted children is cruel beyond belief. You can remove yourself from this forum and discussion immediately if you cannot see that.

Temper, Temper. Mr. Objective. Please note who started the thread. May I suggest that YOU remove YOURSELF if you find this so "HORRID".

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@Pawly: Yes, English is not my first language - German is. Actually, English was the second foreign language I learned back in school, besides Russian (which I mostly forgot due to a lack of use) - and ATM I'm adding French and Italian to it.

Thorin, I meant no disrespect. I wish I had the talent for languages that you display. I undestand you perfectly.

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@Pawly: Yes, English is not my first language - German is. Actually, English was the second foreign language I learned back in school, besides Russian (which I mostly forgot due to a lack of use) - and ATM I'm adding French and Italian to it.

Thorin, I meant no disrespect. I wish I had the talent for languages that you display. I understand you perfectly.

Thank you. Sometimes when I'm distracted a bit by things or persons off-line I just have my difficulties to focus on these topics here AND start to think in English.

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@Pawly: Yes, English is not my first language - German is. Actually, English was the second foreign language I learned back in school, besides Russian (which I mostly forgot due to a lack of use) - and ATM I'm adding French and Italian to it.

Thorin, I meant no disrespect. I wish I had the talent for languages that you display. I undestand you perfectly.

It's irrelevant who started a particular thread. Please don't blame a race or class or age group for having illnesses because they 'deserve them' inherently.

Maybe you misspoke or maybe I failed to understand you properly. I just think it is a bad approach to disease.

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It's irrelevant who started a particular thread. Please don't blame a race or class or age group for having illnesses because they 'deserve them' inherently.

Maybe you misspoke or maybe I failed to understand you properly. I just think it is a bad approach to disease.

HHmmmm? I think you failed to understand, because I have reread the posts and see no one blaming illness on race, age or religion. Let's call it a misunderstanding on all our parts and be done with it.

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