day by day murderers are released from prison after serving say 18 or 20 years of their life sentence - not only in Germany. So what´s the problem with Brigitte Mohnhaupt?

I think the question should be: what does life sentence mean? -20 years? -30 years? or -until she/he dies?

The Wiki answers this much better than I can http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_sentence

Basically it is different in EVERY Country. But in Germany it is "The minimum time to be served for a sentence of life imprisonment is 15 years, after which the prisoner can apply for parole."

I am to tired to read the whole thread, but my point of view is:
She must stay in prison. She is a terrorist. She never said "I am sorry for that". What about the victims?
I am not a supporter of a death penalty, but she must stay the rest of her live in prison!

I am to tired to read the whole thread, but my point of view is:
She must stay in prison. She is a terrorist. She never said "I am sorry for that". What about the victims?
I am not a supporter of a death penalty, but she must stay the rest of her live in prison!

So are you saying that if she had said "I am sorry for that" within 10 years of going to jail, that after 15 years she could have been let go? I do not read your post as saying that.
Whether or not someone says "I am sorry" should have nothing to do with their sentence. That would mean that lying could get someone out early. We really have no way to KNOW if someone is lying or not, we have indicators, but no way to REALLY KNOW!! IMHO

Hey there, you is doing a lot of thinking....

What you need....

"I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me

Those that commit such crimes need to be segregated from society permanently...otherwise you are making a very strong case for the death penalty.

Those that commit such crimes need to be segregated from society permanently...otherwise you are making a very strong case for the death penalty.

If they still pose a thread to society, they should remain segregated, so far I agree.

With the medivial concept of vengance (and nothing else is death penalty or "lock'em up and let'em rot") I strongly disagree. Everybody deserves a second chance, even if s/he didn't give it to the victims. That's what civilisation is about. If you use the same measures as the criminal, you become the same.

Then let the child rapist/murderer free and have him live in the house next to your grandchildren. And be sure to inform the victims parents that they are being just as bad as the criminal for wanting him to be put away for life.

Then let the child rapist/murderer free and have him live in the house next to your grandchildren. And be sure to inform the victims parents that they are being just as bad as the criminal for wanting him to be put away for life.

It's not black or white, it's all just grey.

If the rapist or murderer got therapy, has been cured, is determined "not dangerous", has served his/her time, yes, s/he should be freed and the criminal record should be kept to police, for otherwise no reintegration will be possible, some bigots will always prevent his/her reintegration into society.

If s/he is still considered dangeorus, s/he should be kept away longer of course.

If the victims still bore such a grudge against the criminal after all that years, they have not got proper trauma treatment (which should be paid for by the usual mandatory health insurance everyone has). I won't say that they are just as bad, they at least got leniency because of the trauma. But death sentence ist just plain, cold blooded murder.

Many people and countries have done wrong in the past, the far or near past.

My point is, when do we forgive the (Roman) Italians for what they did? The (Mussolini) Italians? The Germans and the Japanese? The Cubans and the Argentinians? The Russians and the Red Indians?

When do we start forgiving people and move on, or must we punish them until they are all dead?

OK, forget forgiveness, but recognize that people change and the punished are punished, and they serve their time until society (the authorities) says the time is done.

Move on and let live, and give peace a chance. Yea baby.

I notice you left out the English, the Spanish, the French and the Americans in your list. Or are they already forgiven?

Then let the child rapist/murderer free and have him live in the house next to your grandchildren. And be sure to inform the victims parents that they are being just as bad as the criminal for wanting him to be put away for life.

It's not black or white, it's all just grey.

If the rapist or murderer got therapy, has been cured, is determined "not dangerous", has served his/her time, yes, s/he should be freed and the criminal record should be kept to police, for otherwise no reintegration will be possible, some bigots will always prevent his/her reintegration into society.

If s/he is still considered dangeorus, s/he should be kept away longer of course.

If the victims still bore such a grudge against the criminal after all that years, they have not got proper trauma treatment (which should be paid for by the usual mandatory health insurance everyone has). I won't say that they are just as bad, they at least got leniency because of the trauma. But death sentence ist just plain, cold blooded murder.

"is determined "not dangerous", has served his/her time"

Saenger, her sentence was 5 life terms......Just because she is not Dangerous does not mean she should be released. This person should never see the light of day
again....

Then let the child rapist/murderer free and have him live in the house next to your grandchildren. And be sure to inform the victims parents that they are being just as bad as the criminal for wanting him to be put away for life.

It's not black or white, it's all just grey.

If the rapist or murderer got therapy, has been cured, is determined "not dangerous", has served his/her time, yes, s/he should be freed and the criminal record should be kept to police, for otherwise no reintegration will be possible, some bigots will always prevent his/her reintegration into society.

If s/he is still considered dangeorus, s/he should be kept away longer of course.

If the victims still bore such a grudge against the criminal after all that years, they have not got proper trauma treatment (which should be paid for by the usual mandatory health insurance everyone has). I won't say that they are just as bad, they at least got leniency because of the trauma. But death sentence ist just plain, cold blooded murder.

"is determined "not dangerous", has served his/her time"

Saenger, her sentence was 5 life terms......Just because she is not Dangerous does not mean she should be released. This person should never see the light of day
again....

The 5 life sentences were served "concurrently".

5 life sentences were served "concurrently".

well it seems that when her life is over then they should release her!

My point is, when do we forgive the (Roman) Italians for what they did? The (Mussolini) Italians? The Germans and the Japanese? The Cubans and the Argentinians? The Russians and the Red Indians?

I notice you left out the English, the Spanish, the French and the Americans in your list. Or are they already forgiven?

Err, no, my list was not exhaustive. And yes, it could well have included these and Outer Mongolia also, as well as Wales. I'm sure the Welsh must have done something...

Forget the Death Penalty and the Parole System. Half way houses do not work.

Forget the Death Penalty and the Parole System. Half way houses do not work.

We have a real problem in the UK as prisons are almost at saturation point. Judges are being asked to consider smaller sentences, or not sending people to prison at all.

It seems daft that we cannot find the space to lock up criminals, and the reality is that they cost a lot of money to keep in jail, and to build more jails and staff them etc. It's quite clear that releasing prisoners is not just about whether they should be released, because the said "sorry" or whatever, but they need the prison space, they need to cut costs and 'they', 'the authorities' are prepared to take risks that affect 'us', that these released criminals will not re-offend again, and strike at us, our families, our friends , and citizens in general.

Perhaps 'they', 'the authorities' need locking up as well.

But I still think that deserving cases should be given a chance - deserving cases

5 life sentences were served "concurrently".

well it seems that when her life is over then they should release her!

See my edit.

Forget the Death Penalty and the Parole System. Half way houses do not work.

We have a real problem in the UK as prisons are almost at saturation point. Judges are being asked to consider smaller sentences, or not sending people to prison at all.
It seems daft that we cannot find the space to lock up criminals, and the reality is that they cost a lot of money to keep in jail, and to build more jails and staff them etc.