canon-law:

The body of officially established rules governing the faith and practice of the members of a Christian church.

Here you go again Jeffery, trying to confuse the issue. I orginally was talking about the Roman Catholic Church and not "a Christian church." My link was directly to the official Vatican website and not some whois generic blah blah.

I just can't wait for the Bible quotions which are sure to come.

Hmm... please correct me if I'm wrong... but don't you need to be baptized by someone who has the power to do so, to become a follower of Christ?
And is not being baptized the way to become a member of any Christian church?
So there is a real dilemma for those who want to follow Christ but not join any church.
Even the old apostels in the New Testament baptized people, and also a church was organised these times (well, the buildings to meet in came a long time later). So I think, if there is a Christian church in organisation and structure, and belief as similar to the original, Biblical church of Jesus as possible, it is worth a thought at least :)

But it really is like in this critique of Samuel the Lamanite in Helaman 13:26-27 (as posted by Jeffrey):
Those, who do say the truth and call evil evil and bad bad, are muzzled or told to shut up, or thrown out (or at least kindly asked to visit the next head-shrinker), and those who say: "all is well, and there is nothing bad in your deeds and even if you do evil, its because you are sick and need healing" - these guys are welcomed and honored and have become the nowadays' prophets even though they are mostly non-religious.

Those small details get Jeffery derailed.

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I just can't wait for the Bible quotions which are sure to come.

;)

Update your WW software to v4.

My Kaspersky Suite blocks such malware automatically.

But then again...the Catholic church is against using Trojans as well.

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Hmm... please correct me if I'm wrong... but don't you need to be baptized by someone who has the power to do so, to become a follower of Christ?

Water baptism is just an act of repentance... The Holy Spirit baptism is a gift that comes from God alone, if your repentance is sincere...

Moroni 6:1-4 (This process is also made clear in the book of Acts)

And now I speak concerning baptism. Behold, elders, priests, and teachers were baptized; and they were not baptized save they brought forth fruit meet that they were worthy of it.

Neither did they receive any unto baptism save they came forth with a broken heart and a contrite spirit, and witnessed unto the church that they truly repented of all their sins.

And none were received unto baptism save they took upon them the name of Christ, having a determination to serve him to the end.

And after they had been received unto baptism, and were wrought upon and cleansed by the power of the Holy Ghost, they were numbered among the people of the church of Christ

Mormon 7:3

Know ye that ye must come unto repentance, or ye cannot be saved.

Water baptism from a church isn't a necessity, however, sincere repentance is... ;)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

I knew it was coming, LOL, I get a kick out of watching addicts talk to themselves.

How does that saying go, "sure enough as God makes little green apples."

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Water baptism from a church isn't a necessity, however, sincere repentance is... ;)

Oh, that's the most necessary thing at all.
And it closes the circle to every-day life: it is better at any rate to live with the ability to repent and to forgive, because unforgivingness causes most of the trouble: like, they have insulted me 5 years ago they must be punished!
I think people should become less proud of things they had not acchieved themselves (best would be: not proud at all) - but more grateful and forgiving instead. So if there is someone who insulted or hurt them, and really regrets and begs for pardon later, that they are able to forgive.

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Water baptism from a church isn't a necessity, however, sincere repentance is... ;)

Oh, that's the most necessary thing at all.

Are you saying that God isn't capable of baptizing someone with the Holy Spirit without the churches approval first? I sure hope not...

... or were you referring to repentance? ;)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

If this was 400 years ago you would have been burnt at the stake for saying that, now you're soul is just plain damned.

Helaman 13:26-27 (Book of Mormon)

Behold ye are worse than they; for as the Lord liveth, if a prophet come among you and declareth unto you the word of the Lord, which testifieth of your sins and iniquities, ye are angry with him, and cast him out and seek all manner of ways to destroy him; yea, you will say that he is a false prophet, and that he is a sinner, and of the devil, because he testifieth that your deeds are evil.
But behold, if a man shall come among you and shall say: Do this, and there is no iniquity; do that and ye shall not suffer; yea, he will say: Walk after the pride of your own hearts; yea, walk after the pride of your eyes, and do whatsoever your heart desireth -- and if a man shall come among you and say this, ye will receive him, and say that he is a prophet.
Me damned? I don't think so... ;)

Jeffrey, you think ill of all us non believers, and therefore will never be "saved" or get into Heaven. You fail to "turn the other cheek" you continue to quote Scriptures instead of having a common sense discussion. You are condemned to whatever and wherever like the rest of us. You also say that anyone that does not believe as you do, is not going to get into Heaven, that in itself condemns you to an eternity in pergartory! In short Jeffrey, yo uviolate every principle of the very book you are trying so hard to follow. Me, I just have to be willing to say two little words before I die, and I have all my bases covered! What two little words you ask..."I BELIEVE". I have to feel them, but if I am really just covering all the bases I should be able to pull that off. So you go ahead and be the sinner, and I will go ahead and keep those bases covered!

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I just have to be willing to say two little words before I die, and I have all my bases covered! What two little words you ask..."I BELIEVE".

Good luck with that... ;)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

Before getting married in a Catholic church I had to go to a (convo?) which made us promise to raise kids as Catholics. Also to convert because anybody that wasnt a Catholic would go to hell. I walked out

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Catholic church in San Diego wants to go bankrupt so they dont have to pay hundreds of claims

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The city with the highest crime rate in the world is Vatican City. Think about it. It makes sense with nothing to do with religion

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I just have to be willing to say two little words before I die, and I have all my bases covered! What two little words you ask..."I BELIEVE".

Good luck with that... ;)

How smug and self-righteous to elicit that response from someone who showed their true heart and feelings for whom they believe to be their God and maker.

Whether there is a God or not...

... you sir are a chief practioner of one of the deadly sins...pride...the excessive belief in one's own abilities, that interferes with the individual's recognition of the grace of God. It has been called the sin from which all others arise. Pride is also known as Vanity. It has been here for all to see for quite some time, so spare yourself the embarassment of going any further, otherwise I shall have to necromance your very own words here on these boards to the depths of eteranal shame from which you will never recover. You would do well to take a vacation.

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You would do well to take a vacation.

Hmmm... U gonna bring chucky back? ;)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

"I most certainly do... And BTW, my name is J E F F R E Y... But no worries, it's a common mistake made by those who don't possess Godly wisdom... Apparently they don't respect me or my beliefs..."

Posted 28 January 07

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"Now that you put that list in front of me, I have to wonder why there would even be any question as to which God is the one true God, that is, if you believe that there is a God...

Most if not all of these other religions texts were written by man and they don't even claim to have any divine inspiration nor a specific god that they worship... These religions are all about personal fulfillment or becoming one with nature or becoming one with the universe, not God... ;)"

Posted 26 December 06

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I don't like to stereotype, and the boomers make up a very large and diverse group of people... The ones that I'm referring to can usually be recognized by their arrogance... Most likely, I'm on their filter list or they are trying to shout me down... Apparently, I interfere with their little fantasy world... ;)

21 October 06

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"That's the beauty of 'opinions'... Opinions don't have to be true, nor be supported by facts or evidence... But if mine weren't so true, you wouldn't be so uptight... Methinks you give yourself away, I just provide the bait (with my opinions)... ;)"

12 October 06

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"Let me know how that works out for ya when my God decides to send the rain your way... Oh, and feel free to dump a bucket of water on me as that's the best you can do with the limited powers you've been granted..."

11 October 06

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"Which is precisely why YOU will be held accountable while I'll be quietly basking in the sun... ;) "

11 October 06

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"Satan can only do what God allows him to do...

I'm off limits... My God has told me so... ;) "

10 October 06



Pride

to be continued tomorrow...just too much material

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Matthew 22:29

But Jesus answered them, "You are wrong, because you know neither the scriptures nor the power of God.


A little out of context, but surely there is a lesson to be learned here... ;)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

You would do well to take a vacation.

Hmmm... U gonna bring chucky back? ;)

Oh, That was too GOOD for this site ! Well beyond LOL's ! Thank you sir. You are my new god, how may I serve ? (besides painting your house)

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Matthew 22:29

But Jesus answered them, "You are wrong, because you know neither the scriptures nor the power of God.


A little out of context, but surely there is a lesson to be learned here... ;)

Yes there is...

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Oh my oh my - I only have been away a couple of hours, and here is an ideological discussion comparable to nothing else...

But I have an actual problem: Though I am Christian, and convinced of being true with this belief, I couldn't say "no" last night when a good friend of mine asked me to translate a pdf-file into German even before it was sent...
As soon as I received and opened this file I immediately regretted my saying "Of course I'll do it"... It's the Grand Grimoire!
Shall I send it back and delete it from my computer, saying I can't do it? My moral principles say I should do just that. But otherwise, I would lie if I said i weren't able to translate it... I don't know what to do.
How would you decide?

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Wow. I never heard of it before. See if it's magic works. If it doesnt, throw it away

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Wow. I never heard of it before. See if it's magic works. If it doesnt, throw it away

As far as I know this book is told to be about black magic, invocations etc. I don't want to have anything to do with black magic - it's in total opposition to my belief :-(

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