Brainsmashr, I think the rules are "he who wears the Moderator tag wins".

But I wait to see how this "experiment" plays out. do those who attempted to control this fora (by whatever means necessary) continue their old ways(enhanced by their new status), or does the responsiblilty of the new tag temper their attitudes.

tony

Tony,

The rules are published, and one good thing I can report is that the moderators are constantly talking about what is, and what isn't, a proper application of the rules.

With 20 new moderators, it seems fairly obvious that opinions will differ. IMO, keeping a thread generally on-topic is a good thing -- but how far do we go before we call a thread "hijacked"?

I don't think I've ever been counted among "the group" so blaming some action on "the group" may be best done in one of the conspiracy threads.

So far, I think I've undeleted as many posts as I've deleted.

-- Ned

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Brainsmashr, I think the rules are "he who wears the Moderator tag wins".

But I wait to see how this "experiment" plays out. do those who attempted to control this fora (by whatever means necessary) continue their old ways(enhanced by their new status), or does the responsiblilty of the new tag temper their attitudes.

tony

I'll admit I haven't seen the total apocalypse I was expecting, but there is far to much interjection of personal opinion for a 20 moderator team to be successful, and more importantly, fair.

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So far, I think I've undeleted as many posts as I've deleted.

Exactly what I mean. Where the post unnecessarily deleted or are you undermining the authority of a fellow mod? Where is the standard that prevents the mass interjection of personal opinion?

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Brainsmashr, how could you see the apocolypse you were expecting???? I quit posting here over a year ago, because there was a small group of individuals who controlled the fora. They are a Cohesive group of individuals who gang up on users. They kept control because the "other side" was NOT banded together and it was easy to pick them off(including disclosure of personal info). I didn't want to be associated with that group since my self appointed mission was to "help anyone who wanted it". If new users viewed me as a member of "that" group, my credibility would have been lost. I left the cafe.

So, as I see it, the fights were between a cohesive group and a few loosely affiliated people. What does Seti do???? They make two of the cohesive group moderators. This pretty much eliminates any hopes the "loosely affiliated" group had of enjoying this cafe. Now that they are GONE, of course it appears that things have "quieted down", the "cliche" won the battle and will continue to have things the way they always wanted it.

You say "you're suprised"????

tony

So far, I think I've undeleted as many posts as I've deleted.

Exactly what I mean. Where the post unnecessarily deleted or are you undermining the authority of a fellow mod? Where is the standard that prevents the mass interjection of personal opinion?

Probably in every case, the undeletes were done after some discussion with other moderators (I'm not keeping score).

... and given that the rules are fairly subjective (i.e. the difference between "wandering a bit" and "hijacking") I'd say it's all subject to opinion in all but the most flagrant of cases.

Speaking only for myself, I'm not very patient when it comes to "hate-related" and I've suggested to a few that their post was probably too explicit without actually deleting it.

... but I keep reading about "the group" and "loosely affiliated groups" and then I look at the discussion on the moderators' list, and it doesn't quite seem to match.

I would also suggest that if one of your posts is deleted for language, try to rephrase and repost. If it's being moderated because of "hijacking" feel free to start a new thread.

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Brainsmashr, how could you see the apocolypse you were expecting???? I quit posting here over a year ago, because there was a small group of individuals who controlled the fora. They are a Cohesive group of individuals who gang up on users. They kept control because the "other side" was NOT banded together and it was easy to pick them off(including disclosure of personal info). I didn't want to be associated with that group since my self appointed mission was to "help anyone who wanted it". If new users viewed me as a member of "that" group, my credibility would have been lost. I left the cafe.

So, as I see it, the fights were between a cohesive group and a few loosely affiliated people. What does Seti do???? They make two of the cohesive group moderators. This pretty much eliminates any hopes the "loosely affiliated" group had of enjoying this cafe. Now that they are GONE, of course it appears that things have "quieted down", the "cliche" won the battle and will continue to have things the way they always wanted it.

You say "you're suprised"????

tony

Now Tony please don't rewrite History. Back then it was the wild west in this cafe
and that group fought tooth and nail against major Disruptors and Trolls. That Group has disbanded.
since Moderation was implemented.

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Back then it was the wild west in this cafe and that group fought tooth and nail against major Disruptors and Trolls. That Group has disbanded. since Moderation was implemented.

All I know is I was the second to bail out after he/she/it-who-shall-remain-unnamed incident. That pain in the butt got one of his/her/its own. I guess one could say that the Group was effective in the pre-Mod days, because we've not heard anything from him/her/it...

But I digress - There is no Group anymore, so any problems there are have to be taken up with Management.

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Now Tony please don't rewrite History. Back then it was the wild west in this cafe
and that group fought tooth and nail against major Disruptors and Trolls. That Group has disbanded.
since Moderation was implemented.

Tim, I hope you understand that what I said is not a "re-write" of history, but but an actual description of what DID happen. To "re-write" would be an effort to "pretend" it didn't happen when infact it did. As I mentioned in my previous post, I'm only here to see that it is infact "history". Yes, I'll agree, that group did stop a handful of "bad" users, but they also stopped many more who might have been productive members of this project. To me, the risk/reward ratio was not maintained. I.E they cost this project more than they preserved. I shall wait to see what they do. This "experiment" is the ONLY reason I'm posting here again. (the only time I've broken my self imposed promise is to express my wishes of good luck to you on a recent event).

tony

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Tim, I hope you understand that what I said is not a "re-write" of history, but but an actual description of what DID happen. To "re-write" would be an effort to "pretend" it didn't happen when infact it did. As I mentioned in my previous post, I'm only here to see that it is infact "history". Yes, I'll agree, that group did stop a handful of "bad" users, but they also stopped many more who might have been productive members of this project. To me, the risk/reward ratio was not maintained. I.E they cost this project more than they preserved. I shall wait to see what they do. This "experiment" is the ONLY reason I'm posting here again. (the only time I've broken my self imposed promise is to express my wishes of good luck to you on a recent event).

tony

To be honest Tony, I'm not sure what this 'group' you are on about has to do with the moderation. I know there are a lot of hard feelings about because of things that happened in the past..but there has been a huge effort to put that aside and try to move on. I doubt all the sides are ever going to see eye to eye about the past.

As was said..the Automods are an experiment..it is yet to be seen what the outcome will be, but so far I have been reassured by the willingness of everyone involved to at least try to make it work.

I was going to say more, but I forgot what I was going to say...and for some reason I have this scene from Ghostbusters going through my head..it's probably relevant on some deeply subconscious level. Either that or I'm very tired.

Dr. Peter Venkman: This city is headed for a disaster of biblical proportions.
Mayor: What do you mean, "biblical"?
Dr Ray Stantz: What he means is Old Testament, Mr. Mayor, real wrath-of-God type stuff.
Dr. Peter Venkman: Exactly.
Dr Ray Stantz: Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies. Rivers and seas boiling.
Dr. Egon Spengler: Forty years of darkness. Earthquakes, volcanoes...
Winston Zeddemore: The dead rising from the grave.
Dr. Peter Venkman: Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together - mass hysteria.

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You know, I just have to laugh at all this "the group" has been disbanded nonsense, as if some of us can't remember beyond 6 months.

Let us see which mods delete our post and I suspect a familiar pattern will emerge.

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Es99, I understand. I see you've been a member since Aug 2005, and without rereading every post from the beginning to now, you can't understand. I see you're trying to mend fences from your perspective and that's a good thing. The people I'm referring to KNOW who I'm referring to, and that's enough. If you wanted to hear this side of the story, you'd have to either get intouch with me or accept what many of the "bad people" (as defined by a few here) are saying is true. I'm not Brainsmashr's biggest fan, but in some of these instances he is right (as are others who have been shunned). To accecpt the reality of the few is to live in their little world.

It is my hope that this "experiment" will succeed, but it will take people from several catagories (old ones like Ned, new ones like yourself) to offset/counterbalance the couple who now have "power" who IMO really shouldn't. Keep an open mind, don't listen to the populace, and do what is right (period).

tony

You know, I just have to laugh at all this "the group" has been disbanded nonsense, as if some of us can't remember beyond 6 months.

You brought it up, so if it's nonsense, blame yourself.

PLONK

That's the last time I ever take someone off the filter list.

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Now Tony please don't rewrite History. Back then it was the wild west in this cafe
and that group fought tooth and nail against major Disruptors and Trolls. That Group has disbanded.
since Moderation was implemented.

Tim, I hope you understand that what I said is not a "re-write" of history, but but an actual description of what DID happen. To "re-write" would be an effort to "pretend" it didn't happen when infact it did. As I mentioned in my previous post, I'm only here to see that it is infact "history". Yes, I'll agree, that group did stop a handful of "bad" users, but they also stopped many more who might have been productive members of this project. To me, the risk/reward ratio was not maintained. I.E they cost this project more than they preserved. I shall wait to see what they do. This "experiment" is the ONLY reason I'm posting here again. (the only time I've broken my self imposed promise is to express my wishes of good luck to you on a recent event).

tony

Then why bring up the past Tony? Its a brave new world and if we stay in the past it wont change. Come to the cafe post express yourself, do it in a meaningful thoughtful way and everyone will be happy. I know you Tony and your a good guy, there are some who just disrupt the cafe for the game and would love nothing more than to see it destroyed.

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You know, I just have to laugh at all this "the group" has been disbanded nonsense, as if some of us can't remember beyond 6 months.

You brought it up, so if it's nonsense, blame yourself.

PLONK

That's the last time I ever take someone off the filter list.

I see your grasp of the English language is still as amazing as ever....

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Then why bring up the past Tony?

To learn and teach from it. You know as well as I what I'm referring to. Participants chastised for asking "what are credits", or "I can't seem to download", etc etc ad nausium. Only to be beaten up for asking it in the cafe by the same users I refer to.

Its a brave new world and if we stay in the past it wont change.

and if we don't learn from the mistakes of our past, they will continue

Come to the cafe post express yourself, do it in a meaningful thoughtful way and everyone will be happy. I know you Tony and your a good guy, there are some who just disrupt the cafe for the game and would love nothing more than to see it destroyed.

And if those who haven't learned from the past, or refuse to change their ways continue to suppress the "people", then perhaps it should be doomed/disbanded/discarded. Giveing the guns to only one side certainly won't cure this, unless the side with the guns decide to allow it to happen. That is my wish. This beating up on Brainsmashr is just one example. So what if he thinks breastfeeding is indecent? Does that make him wrong for thinking so? I suggest, it merely makes him the minority, NOT wrong. He has ever right to express his viewpoint as anyone else. Don't cut off the opposing viewpoint. Discuss it, pondering it, if it doesn't persuade you, then agree to disagree, but don't close threads, heckle, etc. I hope you don't endorse suppressing anyone who doesn't feel/think the way you do.

tony

I've run out of patience after giving him a third chance.

How about giving guns to both sides, Tony?

It's far more expedient that way.

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Then why bring up the past Tony?

To learn and teach from it. You know as well as I what I'm referring to. Participants chastised for asking "what are credits", or "I can't seem to download", etc etc ad nausium. Only to be beaten up for asking it in the cafe by the same users I refer to.

Its a brave new world and if we stay in the past it wont change.

Whomever is doing that should be banned!
I still get emails from old and new Crunchers asking me how to do something
I help them the best I can. If I cant I will refer them to Q&A etc...

and if we don't learn from the mistakes of our past, they will continue

But it is constantly brought up.....There is no purpose to keep opening the wounds.

Come to the cafe post express yourself, do it in a meaningful thoughtful way and everyone will be happy. I know you Tony and your a good guy, there are some who just disrupt the cafe for the game and would love nothing more than to see it destroyed.

And if those who haven't learned from the past, or refuse to change their ways continue to suppress the "people", then perhaps it should be doomed/disbanded/discarded. Giveing the guns to only one side certainly won't cure this, unless the side with the guns decide to allow it to happen. That is my wish. This beating up on Brainsmashr is just one example. So what if he thinks breastfeeding is indecent? Does that make him wrong for thinking so? I suggest, it merely makes him the minority, NOT wrong. He has ever right to express his viewpoint as anyone else. Don't cut off the opposing viewpoint. Discuss it, pondering it, if it doesn't persuade you, then agree to disagree, but don't close threads, heckle, etc. I hope you don't endorse suppressing anyone who doesn't feel/think the way you do.

tony

BrainSmasher was and still is playing his game. The Breastfeeding thread was a good topic and when he brought up utter nonsense
just to cause unrest so I closed the thread, I refused to play his game.
Besides he opened a new one and continued the discussion.

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(old ones like Ned....

I'm not officially old until late next week.

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BrainSmasher was and still is playing his game. The Breastfeeding thread was a good topic and when he brought up utter nonsense
just to cause unrest so I closed the thread, I refused to play his game.
Besides he opened a new one and continued the discussion.

The only nonsense on that thread is the concept that it's acceptable for a baby to suck t****e in public while I can't even type the word without violating a variety of the rules.

The "point" is that the new thread was also deleted, prompting the start of this one. Of course I'm sure you were to busy psychoanalyzing everyone to actually pay attention to the fact that this thread is more than a mere difference of opinion between you and I.

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BrainSmasher was and still is playing his game. The Breastfeeding thread was a good topic and when he brought up utter nonsense
just to cause unrest so I closed the thread, I refused to play his game.
Besides he opened a new one and continued the discussion.

The only nonsense on that thread is the concept that it's acceptable for a baby to Bleep in public while I can't even type the word without violating a variety of the rules.

The "point" is that the new thread was also deleted, prompting the start of thise one. Of course I'm sure you were to busy psychoanalyzing everyone to actually pay attention to the fact that this was/is more than a mere difference of opinion.

Maybe you should use words like breast Feeding in stead of "Bleep"
There is a difference. "Bleep" is what you do when your with your Girlfriend
in the back of your pick up on a Saturday Nite.

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Using PC terms doesn't change the action.

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