Was there not supposed to be an interntional UN force to keep Hezbollah from being re-armed? Where are the 200 (yes, 200) French troops? Why have the kidnaped Israeli soldiers not been returned? Why haven't you acknowleged my request for a source backing up the assertion that Israel kidnaped two Hezbollah terrorists before the present action in Southern Lebanon and why have you instead tried to change the subject?

O for goodness sake. trying to discuss with you is impossible.
I was NOT the person you asked for proof of kidnapping of 2 Hizbollah fighters. "Mikey" asserted that in Post 401396. It is to "Mikey" you should address that question.
The rest of your rant was as accurate as THAT assertion!
Apologies, please - or is it that you are impossible of apology on religious grounds?

O for goodness sake. trying to discuss with you is impossible.

You're just now figuring this out? ;)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

O for goodness sake. trying to discuss with you is impossible.

You're just now figuring this out? ;)

I am a very patient person, Jeffrey, but even I am beginning to find that out!

Was there not supposed to be an interntional UN force to keep Hezbollah from being re-armed? Where are the 200 (yes, 200) French troops? Why have the kidnaped Israeli soldiers not been returned? Why haven't you acknowleged my request for a source backing up the assertion that Israel kidnaped two Hezbollah terrorists before the present action in Southern Lebanon and why have you instead tried to change the subject?

O for goodness sake. trying to discuss with you is impossible.
I was NOT the person you asked for proof of kidnapping of 2 Hizbollah fighters. "Mikey" asserted that in Post 401396. It is to "Mikey" you should address that question.
The rest of your rant was as accurate as THAT assertion!
Apologies, please - or is it that you are impossible of apology on religious grounds?

I didn't ask my original question of you, I clearly asked Mikey, yet you answered. Your post (responding to my post) was an off-topic rant which I pointed out by asking you a series of pertinent questions. It is you who should apologise for trying to change the subject of the dialog between Mikey and myself, not I. And what does religion have to do with it, for goodness sake? If you have difficulty discussing with me, it is because you can't seem to follow the content of the discussion.

Was there not supposed to be an interntional UN force to keep Hezbollah from being re-armed? Where are the 200 (yes, 200) French troops? Why have the kidnaped Israeli soldiers not been returned? Why haven't you acknowleged my request for a source backing up the assertion that Israel kidnaped two Hezbollah terrorists before the present action in Southern Lebanon and why have you instead tried to change the subject?

O for goodness sake. trying to discuss with you is impossible.
I was NOT the person you asked for proof of kidnapping of 2 Hizbollah fighters. "Mikey" asserted that in Post 401396. It is to "Mikey" you should address that question.
The rest of your rant was as accurate as THAT assertion!
Apologies, please - or is it that you are impossible of apology on religious grounds?

I didn't ask my original question of you, I clearly asked Mikey, yet you answered. Your post (responding to my post) was an off-topic rant which I pointed out by asking you a series of pertinent questions. It is you who should apologise for trying to change the subject of the dialog between Mikey and myself, not I. And what does religion have to do with it, for goodness sake? If you have difficulty discussing with me, it is because you can't seem to follow the content of the discussion.

Go back and read rthe posts you silly little man ...
You clearly responded to me in 401396

Was there not supposed to be an interntional UN force to keep Hezbollah from being re-armed? Where are the 200 (yes, 200) French troops? Why have the kidnaped Israeli soldiers not been returned? Why haven't you acknowleged my request for a source backing up the assertion that Israel kidnaped two Hezbollah terrorists before the present action in Southern Lebanon and why have you instead tried to change the subject?

O for goodness sake. trying to discuss with you is impossible.
I was NOT the person you asked for proof of kidnapping of 2 Hizbollah fighters. "Mikey" asserted that in Post 401396. It is to "Mikey" you should address that question.
The rest of your rant was as accurate as THAT assertion!
Apologies, please - or is it that you are impossible of apology on religious grounds?

I didn't ask my original question of you, I clearly asked Mikey, yet you answered. Your post (responding to my post) was an off-topic rant which I pointed out by asking you a series of pertinent questions. It is you who should apologise for trying to change the subject of the dialog between Mikey and myself, not I. And what does religion have to do with it, for goodness sake? If you have difficulty discussing with me, it is because you can't seem to follow the content of the discussion.

Go back and read rthe posts you silly little man ...
You clearly responded to me in 401396

Why don't you go and read the posts? Here, I'll help you: in #401773 I asked a question of Mikey. In #401777 you responded, as I said above, with an off-topic rant. I responded to your rant in my post #401931, and now you (perhaps deliberately, perhaps in your drunken state) misdirect to a post that is not in this thread (#401396), when it is clear to any reasonable person that I was talking about my first question directed at Mikey in #401773--you cabbage-headed twit.

[Edit]: Oh, you might want to check your spelling. Then, please apologise to me for making those false accusations.

I have never been able to understand how some human beings can sit down and design these things to rip through the flesh of their own species. Some people train to kill and maim while other people train to clean up and put people back together again.Unexploded cluster bombs in Lebanon

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I have never been able to understand how some human beings can sit down and design these things to rip through the flesh of their own species.

They do it, because some human beings sit down and design attacks to rip through the flesh of members of their own species.

And why does this latter group do that? Because they believe that the initiation of force is OK as long as they agree with it.

Some people train to kill and maim while other people train to clean up and put people back together again.

Yep, welcome to reality. There are some really eeeevil people out there. And they'd slaughter you and I and Es without a second thought and without provocation.

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Cordially,
Rush

elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com
Remove the obvious...

I have never been able to understand how some human beings can sit down and design these things to rip through the flesh of their own species. Some people train to kill and maim while other people train to clean up and put people back together again.Unexploded cluster bombs in Lebanon

< iT's 'CONSCIENCE' (that they're lackin')

> there was a TV series (on PBS a few years ago) that was called UXB (i believe that was the title) and iT was based on an individual(s) that 'disarmed' those UXB's and lived to tell 'bout iT . . .

< to me - that show would be 'something' that you could show people and they (more than likely would 'Think Twice' 'bout iT . . . though there are those that are 'just plain dense' and wouldn't be faized @ all . . . (sad)


richard (aka)leonardo / nobody @ SETI since February 29 2000

Yep, welcome to reality. There are some really eeeevil people out there.

No question about that... And you can only imagine how much they hate:

<-------------------------{ Preacher Boy }... ;)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

And these really "eeeevil people" are the good guys. They work for you and me. In the case that I linked to, the cluster bombs were from the US. The UK has facilitated the delivering of weapons to Israel.

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And these really "eeeevil people" are the good guys. They work for you and me. In the case that I linked to, the cluster bombs were from the US. The UK has facilitated the delivering of weapons to Israel.

Cluster munitions are used to deliver a number of small explosives in an area where the attacker wants to make sure the people in the area are neutralized (that would be the santized word for "killed or wounded badly enough that they stop fighting"). The US used to sell such munitions to Israel without question because, although in the wrong hands they can be used as "terror weapons" (imagine one going off in a market), there was never any indication that Israel would use them as such. Lately, Western nations in general have gotten phobic about civilian casualties, and the US has been hesitant to sell cluster munitions to Israel precisely because Israel's enemies tend to hide among civilians.

I don't quite follow the logic in this case... let's make Israel's job harder, and that will lead to a reduction in terror attacks??? The US State Department is still chock full of functionaries from the previous administration, and they have their own agendas that often diverge from the President who is supposed to be their boss.

The one munition that Israel either does not or cannot acquire is ground-penetrating ("bunker-buster") bombs. Because merely posessing such weapons would make Israel a threat to Syria, someone made the decision that Israel would not have bunker-buster munitions (either a dovish Israel government or a squemish US government). Hezbollah knew this and built their entire war strategy around it.

I hope that ground-penetrating munitions are either already in Israel or on their way. This would make the inevitable follow-on conflict a lot shorter and a lot less bloody.

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No animals were harmed in the making of the above post... much.

The one munition that Israel either does not or cannot acquire is ground-penetrating ("bunker-buster") bombs. Because merely posessing such weapons would make Israel a threat to Syria, someone made the decision that Israel would not have bunker-buster munitions (either a dovish Israel government or a squemish US government). Hezbollah knew this and built their entire war strategy around it.

I hope that ground-penetrating munitions are either already in Israel or on their way. This would make the inevitable follow-on conflict a lot shorter and a lot less bloody.

I do not know how to find it ... but I know that 2 Sundays ago, I saw a report and graphic in the Sunday times that showed that SOME of the munitions that passed through Prestwick en route to Israel, were indeed "Bunker Busters".

And these really "eeeevil people" are the good guys. They work for you and me. In the case that I linked to, the cluster bombs were from the US. The UK has facilitated the delivering of weapons to Israel.

Cluster munitions are used to deliver a number of small explosives in an area where the attacker wants to make sure the people in the area are neutralized (that would be the santized word for "killed or wounded badly enough that they stop fighting"). The US used to sell such munitions to Israel without question because, although in the wrong hands they can be used as "terror weapons" (imagine one going off in a market), there was never any indication that Israel would use them as such. Lately, Western nations in general have gotten phobic about civilian casualties, and the US has been hesitant to sell cluster munitions to Israel precisely because Israel's enemies tend to hide among civilians.

I don't quite follow the logic in this case... let's make Israel's job harder, and that will lead to a reduction in terror attacks??? The US State Department is still chock full of functionaries from the previous administration, and they have their own agendas that often diverge from the President who is supposed to be their boss.

The one munition that Israel either does not or cannot acquire is ground-penetrating ("bunker-buster") bombs. Because merely posessing such weapons would make Israel a threat to Syria, someone made the decision that Israel would not have bunker-buster munitions (either a dovish Israel government or a squemish US government). Hezbollah knew this and built their entire war strategy around it.

I hope that ground-penetrating munitions are either already in Israel or on their way. This would make the inevitable follow-on conflict a lot shorter and a lot less bloody.

Looks like you have your wish Octagon. Israel has been allowed it's bunker-bustersIsrael to get bunker buster bombs. Looks like business as usual, although Israel seems to be going through a little soul searching today on the success or not of their invasion of Lebanon.

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Looks like you have your wish Octagon. Israel has been allowed it's bunker-bustersIsrael to get bunker buster bombs. Looks like business as usual, although Israel seems to be going through a little soul searching today on the success or not of their invasion of Lebanon.

That story was dated a month ago, and I'm not sure if they ever arrived in time to make a difference.

In Israel there is a tradition that partisan sniping during a conflict is unheard-of. Now that the conflict is over, Olmert is being assailed from the right and the left. Seems to be variations on "if you started it you should have been willing to finish it."

EDIT: spelling

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No animals were harmed in the making of the above post... much.

That story was dated a month ago, and I'm not sure if they ever arrived in time to make a difference.

In Israel there is a tradition that partisan sniping during a conflict is unheard-of. Now that the conflict is over, Olmert is being assailed from the right and the left. Seems to be variations on "if you started it you should have been willing to finish it."

EDIT: spelling

Yes, the story is a month old, but my point was that Israel is now allowed to buy these things, so will be ready for the next conflict, or not.

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Oh, yes, 'fighting for your life', ooooooo, if Israel actually gave a damn about NOT attacking CIVILIANS then their nation would be utterly wiped out so quick!

Dude, this 'fighting for your life'...is BULL. It's a justification.
The justification may be needed to be adhered to for the appearance on the world stage, but let's be honest. The Israeli army didn't give 2 schlobs about the UN calling them over 12 times to say the bombs were coming to close to the UN building. They wiped it out and killed UN reps.
"NOW THERE'S AN ACTION THAT HAS SAVED THE ISRAELI PEOPLE FROM EXTINCTION!!HOORAY!!"

Give me a friggin break. Admit it. It's war. Israel is acting in self-defense, NOT in trying to save themselves from extinction. They overdid it, and Hezbollah, which is the lowest scum you can find, instigated it by hiding behind and amongst civilian targets so that the world would hold Israel responsible for the civilian deaths. And Israel played right into their hands. What kind of brains is that?

If you hate and detest all Lebanese for being Muslims and for not rising up against Hezbollah and their own government, and now that they have attacked you, and you will teach them a lesson they will never forget, fine. Say So. But don't use dodges like the above propaganda Bull.
There's nothing wrong with hating your enemy. But there's something wrong with hating your enemy's neice, your enemy's neighbor, and his dentist too for good measure. It's no wonder generation after generation of Arabs and Jews hate each other on principle alone. Wonderful way to demonstrate human intelligence to SETI aliens.

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Never Forget a Friend. Or an Enemy.

The Israeli army didn't give 2 schlobs about the UN calling them over 12 times to say the bombs were coming to close to the UN building. They wiped it out and killed UN reps.

The interesting thing about that, Chuckie boy, is that the UN people in that spot were not supposd to be there. They were an observation unit and were supposed to bug out if fighting approached their unit. It did, they didn't and when the Hezballah used the building as a shield for their activities the building was destroyed.

First point: The UN idiots violated their standing orders.
Second point: The Israeli forces acted in accordance with the accepted rules of engagement.
Third point: All that you have highlighted here is that the Hezballah idiots tried to use the UN idiots as a shield and got smoked anyway.
Fourth point: How could you have not received this information from even the standard media outlets?

Chuck, here is my late father's favorite quote from Mark Twain, "It's better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you are an idiot that to open your mouth and remove all doubt."

Ya, well, as far as I see, you'd adhere to the Samuel Clemens quote quite well if you spout that "they want to destroy Israel" dodge.

Sure there are loads of arabs who want to destroy Israel. And the US. And Canada. And any non-muslim country. But 98% of them do nothing more than mutter about it to their friends, just as we complain about high taxes, crooked politicians, and do nothing at all about it.

Don't most Israelis want all the arabs to drop dead?!?

Furthermore, like I said, it may have been war, but now Israel looks bad in killing UN reps. Israel needs to GET SMART and infiltrate. Everything has a cost. Killing UN reps regardless of the circumstance has a cost, and now Israel looks like assholes to the rest of the world.

On 25 July 2006 four UN peacekeepers from Austria, Canada, China and Finland were killed when an Israeli aerial bomb struck a UN observation post in southern Lebanon. According to the UN, the four had taken shelter in a bunker under the post. The area around the site was shelled a total of 14 times by Israeli artillery[17] throughout the day, in apparent defiance of requests[18] for ceasefire made by the UN troops via telephone. Later, a rescue team was also shelled[19] as it tried to clear the rubble. "I am shocked and deeply distressed by the apparently deliberate targeting by Israeli Defence Forces of a UN Observer post in southern Lebanon," Kofi Annan said in a statement from Rome. [20] Without proof at the time, many have accused Annan of anti-Israeli bias

(Wikipedia)

That looks alot more like removing an observation post no matter what the cost. There is no mention of Hezbollah forces being there either, but even if there were, it is clearly a defiant act.

Now UN people are dead, and YOU basically say too bad, they didn't obey their own rules, and leave an area over destroyed bridges. serves em right.
Well, bub, go join the Isreali army then. I hope you get positioned under friendly fire and see how you like it.

Let the UN bug out and leave you guys to it. Kill each other off in your intense hatred. That's all the mideast countries know how to do is hate each other, and when Isreal gets destroyed because the UN and the US ignores them, watch the arab nations turn on each other next until theres only one left barely alive.

Children with guns.

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Never Forget a Friend. Or an Enemy.

Sure there are loads of arabs who want to destroy Israel. And the US. And Canada. And any non-muslim country. But 98% of them do nothing more than mutter about it to their friends...

The 2% that fire off missiles are the only ones that the Israeli armed forces are concerned with.

Don't most Israelis want all the arabs to drop dead?!?

No. Most Israelis want to be left alone. Just like most Americans. And most Canadians.

Furthermore, like I said, it may have been war, but now Israel looks bad in killing UN reps.

Actually, the Israeli army doesn't care if they "look bad", as long as the people firing munitions are stopped. The US Army has the same attitude, as does the Canadian Army, in the same circumstances.

Well, bub, go join the Isreali army then. I hope you get positioned under friendly fire and see how you like it.

Chuck, I did my duty to my country in the US Navy. I have been in a situation where I was subjected to "friendly fire", and as the old saying goes, "Friendly fire isn't!"

By the way, in which service did you serve your country?

Kill each other off in your intense hatred.

Chuck, Israel was shooting back at people who started shooting at them. In general, they don't have "intense hatred" of anybody except the ones the ones dooing their pathetic best to murder Israeli civilians. And even then, it's a rather situational hatred based on the fact that, as small as Israel is, all of their families are threatened by Hezballah missiles. When they have completed their orders to destroy the munitions aimed at Israel and kill the people responsible for firing them, they will gratefully return to stand-down life without a glance back.