Хе, а говорят у нас демократия(сплошной наеб населения)-ЧИТАЙ ПО РУССКИ.

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Yeeeeeeeeeeeeees. but no need$

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I also think russians will win this1, they have better chanses, more money then that time, and if you ask me about technology they always had better then usa.
Even ESA rockets are better and more realayable then usa ones, imo. (but ESA is not in this race)

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SpaceInvader!

yes only russia and america are doing the job on space flights as productivitywise. and these two should not forget that earth is consisted of another over 200 nations and all of them equally wants their interest must have attached to these efforts but if they do not have own abilities then all of them just very proud of you two guys. and envying on anothers certain step with such great degree is not looking cool.

regarding attaching other nationalites interest stuff in 1998 i greatly shocked that first spanish citizen flew to space through nasa but russian interkosmos did good job in that area a decade ago although it was political fight but they did some realy productive job to some international communities.

whatever you two do or say in highest hightech area it is greatly recommended to consider international interests. because the ISS (also hundreds of you 2's satellites) crosses everyone of them without their permission. yes there are highest ethical aspects involved into this. like if i intrude into your home and take all kinds of pictures possibly do some sound recordings and judge your family and criticizing them is not kind at least. but under nuclear fist u2's have these selfproclaimed rights, well this is current absolut reality.

maybe these space experiences should advance us into next higher level of intenational ethical standards.

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Mandtugai!

whatever you two do or say in highest hightech area it is greatly recommended to consider international interests. because the ISS (also hundreds of you 2's satellites) crosses everyone of them without their permission. yes there are highest ethical aspects involved into this. like if i intrude into your home and take all kinds of pictures possibly do some sound recordings and judge your family and criticizing them is not kind at least.

International law was modified following the early space launches of the USSR and USA. Internationally recognized national borders now extend 100km above mean sea level, creating a "top" for each country. Anything flying higher than that is not violating a country's territory, even if it's a "spy" satellite. If "spy" satellites continue to improve, the governing laws may be revised yet again.

I'm not sure if a "bottom" of each country has been established. Countries definitely own the minerals under their ground, but do they own the mantle all the way to the center of the Earth?

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Хе, а говорят у нас демократия(сплошной наеб населения)-ЧИТАЙ ПО РУССКИ.

listik
тута порусски 0.0 челавека прочитать могут :)

ЗЫ если хочешь чтобы их автопреводчики хоть чтото перевели пыши слова из нормального словаря :)))

ЗЗЫ чё хоть сказать то хотел этой фразой, мне аж тоже интересно стало о чём тут пишут(ниасилилмногабукаф)

Privet druzya!
ya mogu govoryat no nemnojka. oni govoryati ochen interesnii shtuchka o vas i ya kommentiroval neskolikih chesniih slov. pochemu vi ne uchastvuyte? eto je internatsionalinii razgavornii mesta.

for the spy satellite case today the reality is probably not few countries able to launch surveilance sat's capable of monitoring upto few hundred km's. so on realistic base that kind of international legal condition won't apply PRODUCTIVELY!

in case if todays technology allows any common sense would realize that any down-altitude space would belong to its owner nation. but todays technology is reaching maybe 20km's physically.

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Mandtugai!

Хе, а говорят у нас демократия(сплошной наеб населения)-ЧИТАЙ ПО РУССКИ.

listik
тута порусски 0.0 челавека прочитать могут :)

ЗЫ если хочешь чтобы их автопреводчики хоть чтото перевели пыши слова из нормального словаря :)))

ЗЗЫ чё хоть сказать то хотел этой фразой, мне аж тоже интересно стало о чём тут пишут(ниасилилмногабукаф)

Privet druzya!
ya mogu govoryat no nemnojka. oni govoryati ochen interesnii shtuchka o vas i ya kommentiroval neskolikih chesniih slov. pochemu vi ne uchastvuyte? eto je internatsionalinii razgavornii mesta.

for the spy satellite case today the reality is probably not few countries able to launch surveilance sat's capable of monitoring upto few hundred km's. so on realistic base that kind of international legal condition won't apply PRODUCTIVELY!

in case if todays technology allows any common sense would realize that any down-altitude space would belong to its owner nation. but todays technology is reaching maybe 20km's physically.

Привет друг.

Не умею писать на английском. О чем речь понимаю в общих чертах.
Мое мнение возможно ошибочно, но я считаю прежде чем рваться исследовать неизвестное, что неизбежно несет новые технологии и секреты (втом числе и военные), нужно вначале создать на нашей планете международное правительство- Как бы одну страну планетарного масштаба.
PS
Привожу перевод автопереводчика для наших заоокеанских друзей. Может че и поймете:
Not wit to write in english. About than speech understand in outline.
My opinion possible wrongly, but I consider previously than tear to research unknown that inevitably carries new technologies and secrets (втом count;calculate;list and military), it is necessary in the beginning to create on our planet international government- As it were one country планетарного scale.

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Da ya soglasno mi doljni rabotat tak snachalo. Mne toliko interesno skolikih strani letali v kosmose blagodarya interkomose i skolikih blagodarya nasa?! eto summa doljen bit kakoi to reshayushi shtuchka b internatsionalinom 200 strani.

translation:

yes i am agree with you we have to do that from the beginning. also for me just very interesting actually how many countries astronauts flew to space thanks to Interkosmos and how many thanks to NASA? this amount should become another good evaluation that which one of u2 deserve more respect from international over 200 countries of judges.

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Mandtugai!

Мое мнение возможно ошибочно, но я считаю прежде чем рваться исследовать неизвестное, что неизбежно несет новые технологии и секреты (втом числе и военные), нужно вначале создать на нашей планете международное правительство

Вопервых уже насоздавали и ООН и большие восьмёрки всякие - только лучше как-то не становится, а все скачки в исследованиях происходят как раз во время соревнований стран - кто первый, тот всех круче (а уж если военные ведомства подключатся, так вообще прорыв в технологиях лет на 20 в год начнётся).

PS Даже если долетим мы до марса сейчас, ничего такого уж необходимого науке и человечеству скорее всего это не даст, а денег угробим на это мамаааа сколько. Так что полёт на марс это только для престижу, или вообще пыль в глаза друг другу пускаем - кто-то пошутил, мол в 2020 году на марсе базу построим и остальным неудобно как-то стало, чем мы хуже - "давайте скажем что в 2015 построим" и понеслось.

PPS Если не будем вообще ничего делать, а ждать когда все станут белыми и пушистыми, мы на марс вообще не полетим, так что что бы не делалось и под каким предлогом, если это приближает нас к конечной целе - долететь до других планет, это хорошо :)

offtopic: чё-то у меня с русским уже проблемы начались, похоже перечитался переводов автопереводчиков, пойду в Linux со страницей статистики разбираться :)

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nu togda druzya rabotaete rabotaete mnogie viju vas sdelati rabotu na Marsu. ya uveren eto je vasha vremya na rabotu. :-)

a dela v OOH eto ne takih verni i proizvodstvennii administratsya za takoi visokii tehnologocheskii dela. mojet bit rosiya i america doljen sozdati svoih aliansi kakoi to 5-10 stranih i borit kak delovoi printsipalnosti.

da kto to doljen letit na marsu v etu vremya. i tsivilizatsya doljen idti vperiod i etika toje!

esli ludi uspeti sozdati stantsi na lune i marsu eto doljen pooshrit/resulitati sozdanie novie visokii skorostnii korabli v etu vekah.

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Mandtugai!

here is the list of what countries flew to space through what space program. an another list from wiki.

i am just trying to reveal the productivity rate of the programs rather than pursueing any views or interests. (but probably for international community interest)

perhaps all these space experiences are giving us good chance to cooperate to establish more robust ethical standards for everyone equally. maybe then our beloved super brainpowered et's begin to accept our applications for space. :)

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Mandtugai!

Just a thought...the Russians haven't even been able to get to Luna yet......and that's an important stepping stone on the way to Mars.

Oh one more..Russia is pretty strapped for cash...sure this isn't maybe a ploy? You know, get us to invest money we may not have to help bankrupt us like Ronnie Raygun's did with SDI to them?

Just food for thought. ;)

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Just food for thought. ;)

Well actually Russia has a lot of money at the moment. They have just paid off their Soviet era debt of $22 Billion and with high oil prices will make that up soon.

And the Soviet Union did get to the moon with Luna 2 before the US. They may not have got a man there but that doesn't mean they didn't have the technology to do so.

And also, who do you think has been supplying the astronauts on the ISS for the last 2 years ?

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Just food for thought. ;)

Well actually Russia has a lot of money at the moment. They have just paid off their Soviet era debt of $22 Billion and with high oil prices will make that up soon.

And the Soviet Union did get to the moon with Luna 2 before the US. They may not have got a man there but that doesn't mean they didn't have the technology to do so.

And also, who do you think has been supplying the astronauts on the ISS for the last 2 years ?

Eart orbit isn;t a quantum leap in exploration that getting a man on the moon was. I am aware of Luna 2, and just about anyone nowadays can throw trash at the moon. Getting it there and back is the rub.

Personally, I have always thought of the space shuttle the US has as a piece of garbage as summarized by Rockhound in Armageddon. It has also proven to be a largely backward step, science experiments or no.

Our shuttle was never the best design put forth, just the cheapest with every negative connotation of the word...it certainly hasn't been inexpensive.

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Personally, I have always thought of the space shuttle the US has as a piece of garbage as summarized by Rockhound in Armageddon. It has also proven to be a largely backward step, science experiments or no.

Our shuttle was never the best design put forth, just the cheapest with every negative connotation of the word...it certainly hasn't been inexpensive.

The space shuttle program was designed for building space stations, and the original expectation is that it'd have been retired by now. It was not intended to be the "only" way for the US to get people into space, and it certainly wasn't designed to be the "all things to all missions" that NASA tried to make the Shuttle into.

It's called a Shuttle for a reason. It shuttles people and material between Earth and Earth orbit.

Somewhere along the way the Shuttle became The Shuttle, and any follow-on replacement had to be The Shuttle Replacement. A victim of its own success (if we define success as being able to survive endless scope creep of its mission), the expectiations on any follow-on projects have become unreasonable. No one should expect any one vehicle to do all the things that the Shuttle program currently does... because the Shuttle program wasn't designed to do all those things and somewhat-specialized vehicles would do the job much better.

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No animals were harmed in the making of the above post... much.

Nasa names new spacecraft 'Orion'

NASA revisits the moon...

Nasa names new spacecraft 'Orion'

The vehicle will make its first flight no later than 2014
US space agency Nasa has named its new manned exploration craft Orion.
The vehicle is being developed to take human space explorers back to the Moon and potentially then on to Mars

From BBC

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Personally, I have always thought of the space shuttle the US has as a piece of garbage as summarized by Rockhound in Armageddon. It has also proven to be a largely backward step, science experiments or no.

Our shuttle was never the best design put forth, just the cheapest with every negative connotation of the word...it certainly hasn't been inexpensive.

The biggest problem with the shuttle is that it doesn't bring down as much cargo as it takes up. If it was bringing down manufactured goods from space the economics would change dramatically and I would expect most people's opinion of the shuttle system to change as well. The shuttle system is still ahead of it's time. Of course I do hope that there will be space elevators by the time it is ripe for the shuttle.

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BOINC WIKI

BOINCing since 2002/12/8

Personally, I have always thought of the space shuttle the US has as a piece of garbage as summarized by Rockhound in Armageddon. It has also proven to be a largely backward step, science experiments or no.

Our shuttle was never the best design put forth, just the cheapest with every negative connotation of the word...it certainly hasn't been inexpensive.

The space shuttle program was designed for building space stations, and the original expectation is that it'd have been retired by now. It was not intended to be the "only" way for the US to get people into space, and it certainly wasn't designed to be the "all things to all missions" that NASA tried to make the Shuttle into.

It's called a Shuttle for a reason. It shuttles people and material between Earth and Earth orbit.

Somewhere along the way the Shuttle became The Shuttle, and any follow-on replacement had to be The Shuttle Replacement. A victim of its own success (if we define success as being able to survive endless scope creep of its mission), the expectiations on any follow-on projects have become unreasonable. No one should expect any one vehicle to do all the things that the Shuttle program currently does... because the Shuttle program wasn't designed to do all those things and somewhat-specialized vehicles would do the job much better.

Agreed, 100%. Someplace along the line, we lost our vision, our drive.

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Personally, I have always thought of the space shuttle the US has as a piece of garbage as summarized by Rockhound in Armageddon. It has also proven to be a largely backward step, science experiments or no.

Our shuttle was never the best design put forth, just the cheapest with every negative connotation of the word...it certainly hasn't been inexpensive.

The space shuttle program was designed for building space stations, and the original expectation is that it'd have been retired by now. It was not intended to be the "only" way for the US to get people into space, and it certainly wasn't designed to be the "all things to all missions" that NASA tried to make the Shuttle into.

It's called a Shuttle for a reason. It shuttles people and material between Earth and Earth orbit.

Somewhere along the way the Shuttle became The Shuttle, and any follow-on replacement had to be The Shuttle Replacement. A victim of its own success (if we define success as being able to survive endless scope creep of its mission), the expectiations on any follow-on projects have become unreasonable. No one should expect any one vehicle to do all the things that the Shuttle program currently does... because the Shuttle program wasn't designed to do all those things and somewhat-specialized vehicles would do the job much better.

Agreed, 100%. Someplace along the line, we lost our vision, our drive.

It's like requiring a plane in a modern air force be capable of all air missions because that's what the British RAF's first effective plane, the Sopwith Camel, did. With that kind of thinking we'd never have mid-air refuelers, gigantic cargo planes, etc.

EDIT: grammar

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No animals were harmed in the making of the above post... much.

The another likely solving approach is that NASA and ESA would ally for Mars missions while Russia and China already began to ally and possibly India might join them. Because according to ISS example certain effective alliance is enabling more complex projects get accomplished.

Also late Mir history two countries closely co-worked and I guess they realy extended the space station life expactancy and both benefited so much.

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Mandtugai!

Personally, I have always thought of the space shuttle the US has as a piece of garbage as summarized by Rockhound in Armageddon. It has also proven to be a largely backward step, science experiments or no.

Our shuttle was never the best design put forth, just the cheapest with every negative connotation of the word...it certainly hasn't been inexpensive.

The space shuttle program was designed for building space stations, and the original expectation is that it'd have been retired by now. It was not intended to be the "only" way for the US to get people into space, and it certainly wasn't designed to be the "all things to all missions" that NASA tried to make the Shuttle into.

It's called a Shuttle for a reason. It shuttles people and material between Earth and Earth orbit.

Somewhere along the way the Shuttle became The Shuttle, and any follow-on replacement had to be The Shuttle Replacement. A victim of its own success (if we define success as being able to survive endless scope creep of its mission), the expectiations on any follow-on projects have become unreasonable. No one should expect any one vehicle to do all the things that the Shuttle program currently does... because the Shuttle program wasn't designed to do all those things and somewhat-specialized vehicles would do the job much better.

Agreed, 100%. Someplace along the line, we lost our vision, our drive.

It's like requiring a plane in a modern air force be capable of all air missions because that's what the British RAF's first effective plane, the Sopwith Camel, did. With that kind of thinking we'd never have mid-air refuelers, gigantic cargo planes, etc.

EDIT: grammar

I don't find fault with that characterization of what the shuttle has become.

The problem is, that all the tech depicted in 2001: A Space Oddessy was in existence , but not assembled together, prior to the movie's release...even down to Nirva/Kiwi NTR.

Incidentally, CW is that if we went throught the Kiwi with CADCAM and modern materials tech, it wouldn't take six months to fly to mars via NTR. Some estimates are as low as 4-6 weeks.

However, with treehuggers the way they are, it would be problematic to get fissiles into space, even though we pulled out of the "No Nukes In Space Treaty" awhile back.

People would be asking "what's in it for me" uncognizant of what we received out of the Apollo program in our day-to-day lives... from velcro and modern electronics, to materials tech that found its way into automotive safety designing to the digital watches we wear (okay, back then they were led watches.....).

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