A little piece of Mars in Moscow

Six Russian volunteers are to get a taste of travelling to Mars, without ever leaving Moscow.

They will be locked up for 500 days in an airtight capsule resembling a spaceship, where they will eat sterile food and breath processed air.

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Isn't this not much different than BioSphere 2?

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I beleive the biosphere projects were started by a rich hippie that needed something to do. I'm not sure if any NASA money or if any government money went into to the project. I don't think it did. I gathered that the Russians were doing this with the point of going to Mars whereas the biosphere was not NASA initiated nor does it really deal with actually getting there or setting up the equipment for that matter.

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Russians are going to win race to Mars

Hope they will.

Russia has plans to set up two explorations to Mars, the first one on 2009.

Russian space officials said they are preparing two unmanned missions to Mars before 2015.

Georgy Polischuk, director general and designer general of the Lavochkin production and science association, was quoted by the Interfax-AVN news agency as saying the first mission is scheduled for October 2009. A research craft will orbit Mars, and then a rover will be dropped on the surface of Phobos -- one of the tiny twin Martian moons, to collect soil samples to return to Earth.

"The spacecraft will work on Phobos for three years," Polischuk said.

The second mission is intended to land on Mars to conduct various experiments, he added.

"The exact date for (the second) mission has not been set, but it is planned for 2015 at the latest," Polischuk said.

Both missions have been included in Russia's space plan for 2006-2015, he said.

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Anyway, Thanks for the reading Sleestak!

Tiare Rivera.-

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Well they did beat us into space in the first place... that and you have to remember that half of everything russia builds explodes and/or bursts into flames (AK-47 not included). They sufferd about ten time as many fatalites in the space race as we did. To be honest... I wouldn't worry about it for a nation that can barely maintain law and order (and barely is giving them a lot of credit) I don't see them making it all the way to Mars. 10 to 1... it blows up before launch, 5 to 1 it explodes before making it past the moon, 2 to 1 it breaks in half and kills a bus full of nuns and kittens before it makes it to Mars. Why there is a school bus full nuns and kittens is doing half way to mars I'm not quite sure, if any one knows please tell me. I would say that more likely, the EU and/or Japan and on the outside China would be the real compittion.

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It's us or the russians. The EU program is not impressive. They hang all over NASA. The Russians do it. Whether or not they can keep law and order, they are an old country that fell apart. We are young and in the early stages. We have not proven ourselves in the long term and I'm worried that we won't survive either.

Who had space stations? We did: Skylab ('70s). The Russians did: Mir('90s).

Who had an international space station? We did. The Russians did. ('90s, 1993 deal is signed).

Who agreed to provide ~some~ new components for an addition to the already built space station in 2001? Europe, Japan and Brazil. But I don't think it was even the ESA, it was individual nations that were part of the ESA. Europe hasn't done *%$*. Japan hasn't done *%$*. Brazil hasn't done *&$*. Europe's ESA has 23% of the funding of NASA and only sends probes out on occassion. Didn't China finally get their first astronauts in space in 2003?


Despite their mishaps, I have tremendous respect for the russians/ex-soviets for their initiative and political savy. They've been through a lot more than the U.S. has and have done a lot more with less. The Russians even send up the Europian astronauts. ESA has been paying the russians for years to go toward tech research and rides into space.

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It's us or the russians. The EU program is not impressive. They hang all over NASA. The Russians do it. Whether or not they can keep law and order, they are an old country that fell apart. We are young and in the early stages. We have not proven ourselves in the long term and I'm worried that we won't survive either.

Who had space stations? We did: Skylab ('70s). The Russians did: Mir('90s).

Who had an international space station? We did. The Russians did. ('90s, 1993 deal is signed).

Who agreed to provide ~some~ new components for an addition to the already built space station in 2001? Europe, Japan and Brazil. But I don't think it was even the ESA, it was individual nations that were part of the ESA. Europe hasn't done *%$*. Japan hasn't done *%$*. Brazil hasn't done *&$*. Europe's ESA has 23% of the funding of NASA and only sends probes out on occassion. Didn't China finally get their first astronauts in space in 2003?


Despite their mishaps, I have tremendous respect for the russians/ex-soviets for their initiative and political savy. They've been through a lot more than the U.S. has and have done a lot more with less. The Russians even send up the Europian astronauts. ESA has been paying the russians for years to go toward tech research and rides into space.

You forget about Salyut 1, a Russkie space station that went up in 71'.
Besides, the U.S. is becoming the most Scientficaly retarded nation in the world one day at a time... (See Stem Cells and that our High School students don't know the perodic table from a beer bong)

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5 to 1 it explodes before making it past the moon, 2 to 1 it breaks in half and kills a bus full of nuns and kittens before it makes it to Mars.

LOL. Funny one, Troy.

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It's us or the russians. The EU program is not impressive. They hang all over NASA. The Russians do it. Whether or not they can keep law and order, they are an old country that fell apart. We are young and in the early stages. We have not proven ourselves in the long term and I'm worried that we won't survive either.

The Soviet Union lasted for 79 years. The USA is 230 years old and counting.

Who had space stations? We did: Skylab ('70s). The Russians did: Mir('90s).

Who had an international space station? We did. The Russians did. ('90s, 1993 deal is signed).

As already mentioned, the modest Salyut stations were first. By the way, they were armed with machine guns, so anyone worried about a precedent of weaponizing space has missed the boat.

Who agreed to provide ~some~ new components for an addition to the already built space station in 2001? Europe, Japan and Brazil. But I don't think it was even the ESA, it was individual nations that were part of the ESA. Europe hasn't done *%$*. Japan hasn't done *%$*. Brazil hasn't done *&$*. Europe's ESA has 23% of the funding of NASA and only sends probes out on occassion. Didn't China finally get their first astronauts in space in 2003?


Despite their mishaps, I have tremendous respect for the russians/ex-soviets for their initiative and political savy. They've been through a lot more than the U.S. has and have done a lot more with less. The Russians even send up the Europian astronauts. ESA has been paying the russians for years to go toward tech research and rides into space.

Russia's space agency is far better at keeping to a schedule than NASA. However, when NASA does send something up, at least it has a fighting chance of working when it gets there.

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The Soviet Union lasted for 79 years. The USA is 230 years old and counting.

Russia is not the same as the Soviet Union.

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The Soviet Union lasted for 79 years. The USA is 230 years old and counting.

Russia is not the same as the Soviet Union.

To my knowledge, Czarist Russia didn't put anything into space :-)

The "nation" that is now the USA existed for quite some time before the Declaration of Independence. Since it required state-of-the-art navigation to reach North America from Europe, it was the Renaissance version of a space colony. Russia was at this time expanding eastward and also eventually reached North America, but crossing the Bering Strait didn't require the same kind of technological advances that crossing the Atlantic needed.

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The "nation" that is now the USA existed for quite some time before the Declaration of Independence. Since it required state-of-the-art navigation to reach North America from Europe, it was the Renaissance version of a space colony. Russia was at this time expanding eastward and also eventually reached North America, but crossing the Bering Strait didn't require the same kind of technological advances that crossing the Atlantic needed.

And there is only land there during ice ages which would have been about 10,000 years ago? Otherwise they would have had to know that the land was that close at that point. Why would they push out into the ocean when in a barren land when they could just walk south? They would have to walk 15 days across a frozen ocean to find something that they did not know was there, another indication that they are a smart people. They know where Mars is. Although, I guess stupidity can lead to great discoveries. LOL

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The Russians beat us to the Moon!

Ironic title considering the jabs: Crash Landing on the Moon

In 1959, a spaceship fell out of the lunar sky and hit the ground near the Sea of Serenity. The ship itself was shattered, but its mission was a success. Luna 2 from the Soviet Union had became the first manmade object to "land" on the Moon.

Hopefully, they won't crash land their astronauts. LOL

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When are you guys going to stop thinking everything is a competition against the rest of the world, and be happy for the advances of humanity as a whole?

Does it really matter which "nation" gets to Mars first? Wouldn't we all get the benefits in the long run?
Oh and laughing at Russia's past accidents is not cool. People died in the name of space exploration, you know? Much like the Challenger and the Columbia shuttle crews.

So wake up and smell the 21st century. The 60's, 70's and 80's are over.

Regards

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We have lingered long enough on the shores of the cosmic ocean.
We are ready at last to set sail for the stars.
(Carl Sagan)

Loosen your shoulders, drink a beer and chill. You seem uptight. No one is laughing at the death's of astronauts. No one was on the spacecraft. I would love it if the Russians made it to Mars first. I would love it if the U.S. was first. You seem to be in competition with other the way it is.

When you say "It shouldn't be this way or that way but it should be this way". You've entered yourself in a competition whether you accept it or not. The Russians collaborate with the U.S. and ESA. NASA collaborates with the ESA and Russians. Each have individual and private projects which probably won't be shared with any other nation. Reality is reality. Like it or not. Competition for resources or advantage will always be a driving factor whether it's private or public. When are you going to stop competing and telling us our thinking is wrong? Or even assuming we (I) think poorly of someone else?

People tried to create utopia and they just didn't work. So wake up and smell the 21st century. The 60's are over. In the U.S. anyway.

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Should no one go to the baseball game because they are both going to benefit from winning? Should we ignore the Tour de France because they are all amazing cyclists? Oh, maybe we should not have the Olymics because we are all winners and can do amazing feats with our bodies. It just doesn't make sense. There can be winners and losers and it can be enjoyed by all.

It's a guage for measuring progress.

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Should no one go to the baseball game because they are both going to benefit from winning? Should we ignore the Tour de France because they are all amazing cyclists? Oh, maybe we should not have the Olymics because we are all winners and can do amazing feats with our bodies. It just doesn't make sense. There can be winners and losers and it can be enjoyed by all.
It's a guage for measuring progress.

Huh? You are comparing sports with space exploration.
I don't think I like your analogy.

Loosen your shoulders, drink a beer and chill. You seem uptight.

Yes, I was in an uptight bad mood last night. I'll give you that.

When you say "It shouldn't be this way or that way but it should be this way". You've entered yourself in a competition whether you accept it or not.

But I never said "it should or shouldn't be like this or that". I just didn't like a couple of things I read and I said it. But then again, It could have just been the mood I was in. Maybe some other day I would have laughed along. /shrug
And my post wasn't directed particulary at you, anyway.

Now, where's that beer you promised me?

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We have lingered long enough on the shores of the cosmic ocean.
We are ready at last to set sail for the stars.
(Carl Sagan)

Hey... if they can do it so can we. This would make a kick ass home spun experiment Lock like a half dozen crunchers up and I'd bet we could win.

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Really, folks, there isn't a snowball's chance in Heck that Russia will get to Mars first. They don't have the money or the technology, and won't have them for the forseeable future.
Simple as that.

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They are funding themselves by selling rides. They are going commercial and that's the future of space travel. The U.S. will go bankrupt, guaranteed. They also have contracts with ESA to send up european astronauts and they also are funded by ESA to develop technology. I think you have a warped sense of reality when it comes to countries other than the U.S.

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