Oh yeah and how much does an Angelfish kost in the US ore Australia?

Size has a lot to do with the price here in Australia.

Ours cost us Aus$20 each when we bought them a year ago, but since they laid 18 days later, I'd say they were pretty much grown up!

We have two tanks. A 30 gallon (140 litre) which is 3 feet long, where tha angels live, and a 60 gallon tank, where we have silver dollars (a vegetarian relative of the piranha) and a school of "Black Widows". There's also a flame dwarf gourami in there.

Another 4 foot tank is currently empty in the garage, due to lack of space in our living room. When I finish my diploma and get the job I'm looking for, we'll move to a house we can have all our tanks in. (Dreaming of discus fish)

Aus$20...thats a lot of cash for one angelfish...i got mine fore 1 euro each but they were small.

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Dr. : if the angelfish are of similar colour and/or markings, they will fight. Angelfish are actually extremely territorial. I have had several over the years and as much as I like many varieties, it's difficult, at best, to mix angelfish in the same tank..especially if you've anything smaller than a 55 gallon tank.

The larger the tank, the easier it is to mix a couple or three angelfish varieties.

It's kind of like perculas: although community schooling fish, if you want 10 of them together, you must put ten in at the same time or fighting will result if you try to add them here and there.

I'd also do a full water chemistry test. Some imbalances can cause the symptoms you indicate. It's most likely, as mentioned, either fighting or an infection, but it's best to rule out, via testing, water problems.

This is so simply because if a water chemistry problem is in evidence, that can cause and make problematic the cure for any infections. If it is fighting amongst the angels, healing will take longer if the chemistry is off as well. Remember..many of the minerals the fish need they do absorb directly from the water..at least the necessary trace elemnts.

That's interesting, Aldkirk. Here in north America if you buy Beta males, they tell you right at the store to keep them seperated because they are also "fighting fish". They really should tell you the same thing at the shop about the angels.

I think Dr should complain to them and get a tin of fish food or something in compensation for the trouble that's been caused him.

They do..to a point. Angelfish aren't (obviously) Betas. Anbgelfish as long as their colouration and/or general markings aren't close you can keep them together. For example, you can keep a Coral Beauty with a Koran Angel..the coloration and markings are dissimilar enoughthat fighting is remote. If you introduce them into a large enough tank, they acclimate to one another and stake out their "home" turf...but generally will do little more than perhaps chase one another out of their zone of comfort.

I have been keeping salt water tanks for over 30 years, and successfully. I also keep another 55 gallon fresh with several varieties of loachata (Botia, Clown, Striata for examples) along with a pair of fully grown Bala Sharks, a Pleco and a few other odds and ends.

If nothing else, chemistry specific (in the freshwater case) to the variety of fish is important. With saltwaters, trace metals and minerals is equally as important as keeping toxins out.

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Cool green tea:)nice

Yeah mi fish try to mate but they are still yung i think...
I used salt to medicate mi fish too:)
Oh yeah and how much does an Angelfish kost in the US ore Australia?

It doesn't depend only on the size, which is econdary, but the breed. Imperators can run $300-400 for a juvenile one of high breeding quality...and dependent upon if it was harvested from the wild, where it was.

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All Natural Fish Medication

MelaFix - Antibacterial remedy.

PimaFix - Antifungal remedy.

Good Stuff... ;)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

Will that cure the fungus I have

Boudreaux's Butt Paste

Let us know how it works out for ya... ;)

Oh yeeeeah....that paste sure did hit the spot.

Dr. : if the angelfish are of similar colour and/or markings, they will fight. Angelfish are actually extremely territorial.

Angelfish as long as their colouration and/or general markings aren't close you can keep them together. For example, you can keep a Coral Beauty with a Koran Angel..the coloration and markings are dissimilar enoughthat fighting is remote. If you introduce them into a large enough tank, they acclimate to one another and stake out their "home" turf...but generally will do little more than perhaps chase one another out of their zone of comfort.

ADLKIRK: That's interesting, indeed! I had noticed the teritorial attitude in our pair of angels. However, I never realised it was similar markings they are reacting to, as ours regularly chase one another, and when not laying, they normally occupy different parts of the tank. However, both tend to chase the golden gouramis, which spend fair effort avoiding the angels.

The gouramis seem mostly peaceful though, and fought only when they were small. The smallest of the four was the most aggressive, but has quietened since catching up in size.

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Jeffrey was entirely correct with his "Aquarium Pharmaceuticals" post. They are generally excellent products, as well as the Pima and Mela fix - one of which uses tea leaves.

I have used AP products as well as Hagen, and AP are far superior every time.

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How are your Angel fish doing?

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How are your Angel fish doing?

Good they eat,breed...they do every thing that a healthy fish does but those two male's still haw bloody snouts.Tomorrow im going to buy some antibacterial medicin and see what happens.

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well, did you throw in a green tea bag overnight?? (removig your Carbon from the filter)

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well, did you throw in a green tea bag overnight?? (removig your Carbon from the filter)

Yap but nothin happend(dont haw carbon filter:)

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Well i made a 50% watter change...scrubed down the little grean spot algea...huh...and now the tank looks brand new!

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Buy a 'sucker fish' like a Pleco or a couple of Ottos and they'll clean the algae for ya...
And don't worry about the carbon unless your room starts to smell like a riverbed... ;)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

Buy a 'sucker fish' like a Pleco or a couple of Ottos and they'll clean the algae for ya...
And don't worry about the carbon unless your room starts to smell like a riverbed... ;)

I used to keep a giant jar of freshwater snails as a young boy. When I realized I couldn't take care of them anymore it was time to set them free to live their lives back in the wild. I walked 1/4 of a mile with that big glass jar and sent them on their way to happiness in a small creek.

I still remember the strange stares of the neighbors while I walked past them with that giant sloshing jar of snails.

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Heyyyyyy....there's something FISHY going on in here.....

Sorry...terrible joke but I just couldn't resist.

Good luck with the aquarium Doc. :-)

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Heyyyyyy....there's something FISHY going on in here.....

Sorry...terrible joke but I just couldn't resist.

Good luck with the aquarium Doc. :-)

Tnx buddy!
Its going wary good now that i haw desinfected the fish and got active carbon:)

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Heyyyyyy....there's something FISHY going on in here.....

Sorry...terrible joke but I just couldn't resist.

Good luck with the aquarium Doc. :-)

Tnx buddy!
Its going wary good now that i haw desinfected the fish and got active carbon:)

I'd liketo ask two things, and perhaps these questions may help you prevent future infections:

1) How often do you do partial (up to 80%) water changes?

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2) Do you use an isolation/hospital tank(s) before introducing your fish into general population?

If one isn't doing weekly partials (roughly 10-20% and how much is dependent upon to whom you speak), and larger ones monthly to every two months, the crud that builds up in the tanks can weaken the fishes immune systems leading to infections otherwise fought off.

Also, the best way to avoid infections in the tank, even if you have one or two dealers you implicitly trust, is to have an isolation/hosipital tank where you can keep the fish for a couple of weeks while you acclimate them to your particular water chemistry, watch for infections to start and/or treat sick fish before putting them (back) into your main tank(s).

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Heyyyyyy....there's something FISHY going on in here.....

Sorry...terrible joke but I just couldn't resist.

Good luck with the aquarium Doc. :-)

Tnx buddy!
Its going wary good now that i haw desinfected the fish and got active carbon:)

I'd liketo ask two things, and perhaps these questions may help you prevent future infections:

1) How often do you do partial (up to 80%) water changes?

-and-

2) Do you use an isolation/hospital tank(s) before introducing your fish into general population?

If one isn't doing weekly partials (roughly 10-20% and how much is dependent upon to whom you speak), and larger ones monthly to every two months, the crud that builds up in the tanks can weaken the fishes immune systems leading to infections otherwise fought off.

Also, the best way to avoid infections in the tank, even if you have one or two dealers you implicitly trust, is to have an isolation/hosipital tank where you can keep the fish for a couple of weeks while you acclimate them to your particular water chemistry, watch for infections to start and/or treat sick fish before putting them (back) into your main tank(s).

Hiya!
I do 50% watter changes every week.
And i keep my new fish in the tank where i grow plants.

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