Too bad. She's not getting an apology from me for me defending innocent people against terrorists and bombs blowing up little kids. booo hooo hooo. She's succored up to that palestinian side and Hamas and Hezbollah and she'll get no apology from me, period. I'd sooner put a bullet in my own skull. What am I supposed to apologize for? I'm supposed to apologize for being pro Israel and anti terrorist? Fine. But I won't apologize for it. You can kill me first. Screw that.

All she's done is point out the atrocities committed by Israel. The rest is in your fevered imagination.

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Too bad. She's not getting an apology from me for me defending innocent people against terrorists and bombs blowing up little kids. booo hooo hooo. She's succored up to that palestinian side and Hamas and Hezbollah and she'll get no apology from me, period. I'd sooner put a bullet in my own skull. What am I supposed to apologize for? I'm supposed to apologize for being pro Israel and anti terrorist? Fine. But I won't apologize for it. You can kill me first. Screw that.

All she's done is point out the atrocities committed by Israel. The rest is in your fevered imagination.

I don't think so....She can speak for herself. She's the one that demands I apologize for defending Israel. You don't have to get involved. She's carried this on for almost a week. She's a grown woman. She loves the Palestinian suicide bombers and the murderers. That's cool. At least we know what side we're on.

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I don't think so....She can speak for herself. She's the one that demands I apologize for defending Israel. You don't have to get involved. She's carried this on for almost a week. She's a grown woman. She loves the Palestinian suicide bombers and the murderers. That's cool. At least we know what side we're on.

How dare you. You've gone too far.

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I don't think so....She can speak for herself. She's the one that demands I apologize for defending Israel. You don't have to get involved. She's carried this on for almost a week. She's a grown woman. She loves the Palestinian suicide bombers and the murderers. That's cool. At least we know what side we're on.

How dare you. You've gone too far.

"Extremism in defense of Liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue..."

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I don't think so....She can speak for herself. She's the one that demands I apologize for defending Israel. You don't have to get involved. She's carried this on for almost a week. She's a grown woman. She loves the Palestinian suicide bombers and the murderers. That's cool. At least we know what side we're on.

How dare you. You've gone too far.

"Extremism in defense of Liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue..."

Piss off.

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OK. Finally something you and I both feel passionate about.

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OK. Finally something you and I both feel passionate about.

I don't agree with killing, and I certainly don't agree with people laughing and cheering about it. People who do that make me sick. I don't care who is doing the dying, Israelis or Arabs, anyone who sits there and cheers one side on as if it were a football match is just an animal. People are dying here, it's not some TV event put on for your entertainment.

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OK. Finally something you and I both feel passionate about.

I don't agree with killing, and I certainly don't agree with people laughing and cheering about it. People who do that make me sick. I don't care who is doing the dying, Israelis or Arabs, anyone who sits there and cheers one side on as if it were a football match is just an animal. People are dying here, it's not some TV event put on for your entertainment.

You should care.....that's how you stop it if that is your true aim. Screaming "CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG" does nothing....jack squat.

I'm tired of explaining to every human being out there that it is the initiation of force and the premises of collectivism that are the root cause of these things you SUPPOSEDLY hate. If you don't fight the cause you are endorsing the effects. That makes you a bit of a yeller. You decry everything while endorsing, tacitly, the causes of it and are content with that circumstance. But maybe you and the others who sympathize with people that strap bombs on their stomachs just aren't smart enough to realize it.........

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I did NOT authorize this belly writing!

OK. Finally something you and I both feel passionate about.

I don't agree with killing, and I certainly don't agree with people laughing and cheering about it. People who do that make me sick. I don't care who is doing the dying, Israelis or Arabs, anyone who sits there and cheers one side on as if it were a football match is just an animal. People are dying here, it's not some TV event put on for your entertainment.

The first human cities had great big thick walls from the outset. War is not new.

In the current conflict, both sides are trying to kill people and break things. This is the reality of war. One side is using every technological means at its disposal to minimize the number of civilians killed. One is using every technological means at its disposal to maximize the number of civilians killed.

There is a right side and a wrong side here. It doesn't matter what one's views are on the larger Arab-Israeli conflict.

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No animals were harmed in the making of the above post... much.

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Founder of BOINC team Objectivists. Oh the humanity! Rational people crunching data!
I did NOT authorize this belly writing!

There is a right side and a wrong side here. It doesn't matter what one's views are on the larger Arab-Israeli conflict.

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That's where you are wrong, there is no right side here. Israel’s response is disproportionate.

More killing is not going to end this conflict, understanding the causes of it will. It's the only long term way of ending the troubles

Just because I want present the other side to this debate, it does not mean I support terrorists. I do not support the killing of innocent people via the use of bombs strapped to their chests, I do not support the killings of innocent people via the use of bombs dropped from the sky, or via bulldozers, or via guns.

For a country that supposedly supports free speech, you put a lot of effort into silencing any opposition. Slanderous insults are just one method used, I would have thought you'd want to hear the truth.

Well the truth is Israel’s tactics of brutalisation create terrorists. It's not good, it's not right, it just is.

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There is a right side and a wrong side here. It doesn't matter what one's views are on the larger Arab-Israeli conflict.

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That's where you are wrong, there is no right side here. Israel’s response is disproportionate.

We're just going to have to disagree on this point, but I will try one last time to explain the reasoning behind my position.

Proportionate response is amoral because it allows an aggressor to attack without any risk of serious consequences. Hezbollah itself said that they never expected to see such a reaction, and that expectation of a tepid response doubtlessly entered into their planning.

(Hezbollah's act was an act of war, not an act of terrorism, but the same calculus applied when a group like Hezbollah is contemplating a terrorist act.)

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No animals were harmed in the making of the above post... much.

OK. Finally something you and I both feel passionate about.

I don't agree with killing, and I certainly don't agree with people laughing and cheering about it. People who do that make me sick. I don't care who is doing the dying, Israelis or Arabs, anyone who sits there and cheers one side on as if it were a football match is just an animal. People are dying here, it's not some TV event put on for your entertainment.

Yeah, the difference between a terrorist sympathizer like you and the rest of the world, is that we realize that doing nothing is the same as aiding the terrorists in their crimes against humanity.

Are you sure you're not French?

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There is a right side and a wrong side here. It doesn't matter what one's views are on the larger Arab-Israeli conflict.

EDIT: typo

That's where you are wrong, there is no right side here. Israel’s response is disproportionate.

More killing is not going to end this conflict, understanding the causes of it will. It's the only long term way of ending the troubles

Just because I want present the other side to this debate, it does not mean I support terrorists. I do not support the killing of innocent people via the use of bombs strapped to their chests, I do not support the killings of innocent people via the use of bombs dropped from the sky, or via bulldozers, or via guns.

For a country that supposedly supports free speech, you put a lot of effort into silencing any opposition. Slanderous insults are just one method used, I would have thought you'd want to hear the truth.

Well the truth is Israel’s tactics of brutalisation create terrorists. It's not good, it's not right, it just is.

That's the biggest load of CRAP I've read today.

What started it is the kidnapping of Isreali soldiers....what part of that can't your feeble brain comprehend?

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White flags, not a legitimate target

Israel must take responsibility for the dreadful human toll in Lebanon, says Peter Bouckaert in Beirut

Monday July 31, 2006
Guardian Unlimited


Day after day, Israeli government spokesmen insist that everything they are doing accords with international humanitarian law. Endless communiqués insist that Israel's behaviour is "proportionate". Let us be blunt: those claims are fantasy, as the carnage in Qana has shown once again.
I have seen my share of modern wars, as a researcher at Human Rights Watch. In Kosovo, Afghanistan and Iraq, we found many civilian casualties due to bombing campaigns. Civilians fleeing attacks were hit by mistake. In Iraq, US bombs often hit civilian homes, hours after Saddam Hussein or members of his inner circle had left, missing their legitimate targets but killing civilians. In Lebanon it is a very different picture. Time after time, Israel strikes at civilian homes and civilian vehicles attempting to flee the besieged southern border zone, killing families without any military objective in sight.

In an extraordinary, and extraordinarily revealing comment, the Israeli Justice Minister, Haim Ramon, reportedly said, "All those now in south Lebanon are terrorists who are related in some way to Hizbullah." So if you take to the roads to flee, you are a terrorist - who else would travel the southern roads now? And, if you stay at home because the danger is so great, you are also a terrorist. For the innocent civilian, there is literally no way out.

Take the example of Manal, a 22-year-old housewife, who had just arrived in Beirut when I met her a few days ago. For nearly two weeks, Israeli warplanes struck Manal's border village of Aitaroun, obliterating homes and families. A Canadian-Lebanese family vacationing in the village was killed; the next day, another rocket destroyed a home 100 meters away from Manal's house, killing at least nine members of a family. So many were killed in her village that she finds it difficult to remember all the names.

When the Israelis dropped leaflets instructing all villages south of the Litani River to evacuate immediately "for your own safety," Manal and dozens of her neighbours set off in three cars, waving white flags. As they left, an Israeli warplane dropped bombs 10 meters in front of and behind the convoy, which raced on. As far too many Lebanese civilians have found, Manal's experience is not exceptional, on the contrary.

In another case, Israeli forces struck the home of a Shi'a cleric Sheikh Adil Mohammad Akash, who was reportedly affiliated with Hizbullah but without a direct military role. Even if the sheikh had been a fighter, the bomb killed him, his wife, their ten children, and the family's Sri Lankan maid. The ratio of twelve for one reveals Israel's disregard for civilian lives.

Although mistakes are made in the fog of fighting, the pattern of Israeli behavior in southern Lebanon suggests a deliberate policy. My notebook overflows with reports of civilian deaths, day after day.

Israel blames Hizbullah for the massive civilian toll in Lebanon, claiming that they are hiding the rockets they are firing at Israel, in civilian homes, and that they are fighting from within the civilian population. This is a convenient excuse. Human Rights Watch has consistently documented Hizbullah's war crimes, including deliberate and indiscriminate attacks on Israeli civilians, as well as the taking of hostages. But our investigations have not found evidence to support Israeli allegations that Hizbullah are intentionally endangering Lebanese civilians by systematically fighting from civilian positions. We can't exclude the possibility that it happens - but time and again villagers tell us that Hizbullah is fighting from the hills. Meanwhile, the homes hit by Israel have only civilians in them.

The current Israeli actions are not only wrong, but - short of compelling evidence to the contrary, which so far is nowhere to be found - also war crimes. Israel's leaders, and their friends elsewhere in the world, must face up to that truth.

· Peter Bouckaert is Emergencies Director at Human Rights Watch

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I'm gonna break into your house and kidnap your children, then fire 140 Katyusha rockets into random neighborhoods (number Hezzbollah launched Sunday).....Please don't respond with violence.

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G.D. worthless hippies....

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For a country that supposedly supports free speech, you put a lot of effort into silencing any opposition. Slanderous insults are just one method used, I would have thought you'd want to hear the truth.

Whatever your position actually is, maybe impuning an entire nation of individuals based on a discussion with people that disagree with you isn't the best way to make your point.

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Cordially,
Rush

elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com
Remove the obvious...

G.D. worthless hippies....

There you go again.....

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Peter Bouckaert is Emergencies Director at Human Rights Watch

You should ask Exxon about the health of Prince William Sound. You know, because they don't have an agenda either.

Frankly, Peter doesn't quite seem to get it. Hizbullah fights the way it does precisely because of people like him.

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Cordially,
Rush

elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com
Remove the obvious...

G.D. worthless hippies....

There you go again.....

Actually this is a first time.....and I stand by it.

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