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Message 343309 - Posted: 20 Jun 2006, 12:56:42 UTC

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe."
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Message 343331 - Posted: 20 Jun 2006, 13:16:07 UTC

"Do you believe in immortality? No, and one life is enough for me"
--Albert Einstein


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Message 343355 - Posted: 20 Jun 2006, 13:35:48 UTC

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Message 343495 - Posted: 20 Jun 2006, 16:36:59 UTC

More and more of Einstein here.

and another quote:

Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow.
The important thing is to not stop questioning.
--Albert Einstein


and a question about this quote:

I don't believe in mathematics.
--Albert Einstein


what do you think he tried to say? (besides the obvious, of course...)

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Message 343679 - Posted: 20 Jun 2006, 22:36:59 UTC

> merci, Tiare . . .

< more . . . Resources on Einstein
http://www.albert-einstein.org/.index4.html
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Message 343762 - Posted: 20 Jun 2006, 23:50:54 UTC - in response to Message 343495.  
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I don't believe in mathematics.
--Albert Einstein


what do you think he tried to say? (besides the obvious, of course...)

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I think he was hinting that mathemetics is not the universe, mathematics is a description of the universe.
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Message 343779 - Posted: 21 Jun 2006, 0:12:57 UTC - in response to Message 343762.  

I don't believe in mathematics.
--Albert Einstein


what do you think he tried to say? (besides the obvious, of course...)

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I think he was hinting that mathemetics is not the universe, mathematics is a description of the universe.

And there is not a one to one correspondance. Just because the math works doesn't mean you have described the universe.



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Message 343785 - Posted: 21 Jun 2006, 0:26:57 UTC
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I think he was hinting that mathemetics is not the universe, mathematics is a description of the universe.

And there is not a one to one correspondance. Just because the math works doesn't mean you have described the universe.

I think you got it, guys. I found another quote from Einstein, which clarify the sentence "I don't believe in mathematics":

"As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain, as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality." -Albert Einstein

merci, Tiare . . .
De rien, nobody ;) by the way, the part I really liked was his manuscripts.

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Message 343793 - Posted: 21 Jun 2006, 0:35:20 UTC - in response to Message 343779.  

I don't believe in mathematics.
--Albert Einstein


what do you think he tried to say? (besides the obvious, of course...)

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I think he was hinting that mathemetics is not the universe, mathematics is a description of the universe.

And there is not a one to one correspondance. Just because the math works doesn't mean you have described the universe.




yeah that really makes sense. einstien was big on wonder and mystery - am thinking in particular of a quote 'imagination is more important than knowledge' maybe he didn't want things to ever be defined or limited by their mathematical properties. maybe he meant things are always bigger than the sum of their parts.
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Message 343880 - Posted: 21 Jun 2006, 2:24:50 UTC

If the math works, you may or may not have described reality.

However, if the math doesn't work, you have clearly not described reality.


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Message 344052 - Posted: 21 Jun 2006, 4:32:56 UTC

And what's this baloney about things being 'greater than the sum of their parts'? It's just a cop-out when faced with highly complex systems we are at a loss to completely account for and sum up.
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Message 344053 - Posted: 21 Jun 2006, 4:34:16 UTC - in response to Message 344052.  

And what's this baloney about things being 'greater than the sum of their parts'? It's just a cop-out when faced with highly complex systems we are at a loss to completely account for and sum up.

Gelstatism is, or should be, a concept restricted to the realm of philosophy, not science......there's your answer, Chuck.
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Message 344142 - Posted: 21 Jun 2006, 6:16:10 UTC - in response to Message 344053.  

And what's this baloney about things being 'greater than the sum of their parts'? It's just a cop-out when faced with highly complex systems we are at a loss to completely account for and sum up.

Gelstatism is, or should be, a concept restricted to the realm of philosophy, not science......there's your answer, Chuck.

Synergy is not an idle concept. Quantum, string and DM theory all have areas where "summing up the parts" simply leads you off to NeverNever Land.
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Message 344147 - Posted: 21 Jun 2006, 6:20:32 UTC - in response to Message 344142.  

And what's this baloney about things being 'greater than the sum of their parts'? It's just a cop-out when faced with highly complex systems we are at a loss to completely account for and sum up.

Gelstatism is, or should be, a concept restricted to the realm of philosophy, not science......there's your answer, Chuck.

Synergy is not an idle concept. Quantum, string and DM theory all have areas where "summing up the parts" simply leads you off to NeverNever Land.

Can you explain this dynamic please?

Thanks....it seems we are shooting at 2 different birds. I'd like to hear you elaborate on that....
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Message 344486 - Posted: 21 Jun 2006, 15:17:17 UTC

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Message 344898 - Posted: 22 Jun 2006, 1:08:31 UTC - in response to Message 344052.  

And what's this baloney about things being 'greater than the sum of their parts'? It's just a cop-out when faced with highly complex systems we are at a loss to completely account for and sum up.


it's called synergy. the best documented examples are drug / chemical or pest synergy. for example, the damage done by two pests in a given area is greater than double the damage done by infestations of each alone. i hope i've worded that so it's clear. i understand what u are saying however - it isn't magic - it is a dynamic of energy that we don't understand.

while writing about synergy i was thinking of another quote by einstein about computers being fast, accurate but unable to think, and humans being slow, inaccurate and able to imagine almost anything. together he said 'they are powerful beyond belief.'
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Message 344909 - Posted: 22 Jun 2006, 1:23:49 UTC

I did some guesswork regarding the computing speed of the human brain.

It goes something like this:

The human brain consists of roughly 100 billion neurons.
Each of them has on average 10.000 synapses (connection points)
Each synapse is capable of doing 100 floating point operations (FLOPS) per second

If you multiply all this you get at 100.000.000 billion FLOPS per second.

A reasonably fast PC can do about 5 billion FLOPS per second.

This (rough) estimate would give the human brain the power of 20.000.000 PCs.

That's not so terribly slow, after all.

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Message 345109 - Posted: 22 Jun 2006, 7:33:10 UTC - in response to Message 344898.  

And what's this baloney about things being 'greater than the sum of their parts'? It's just a cop-out when faced with highly complex systems we are at a loss to completely account for and sum up.


it's called synergy. the best documented examples are drug / chemical or pest synergy. for example, the damage done by two pests in a given area is greater than double the damage done by infestations of each alone. i hope i've worded that so it's clear. i understand what u are saying however - it isn't magic - it is a dynamic of energy that we don't understand.

while writing about synergy i was thinking of another quote by einstein about computers being fast, accurate but unable to think, and humans being slow, inaccurate and able to imagine almost anything. together he said 'they are powerful beyond belief.'

Another example of something that is greater than the sum of it's parts is bronze. Tin and copper are relatively soft metals separately, but when you melt 6 parts copper with 4 parts tin you get an alloy that is harder and more corrosion resistant that either.
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Message 345336 - Posted: 22 Jun 2006, 13:29:56 UTC

But is the hardness of bronze more than (hardness Cu + hardness Sn)?
We all know you can't get something from nothing. Much like the two pest species - it's no suprise that if you are being attacked by one pest, you'll have alot less resistance to devote to the second pest that comes to attack you!
'Synergy' my rear! The term should be used only with the understanding that there's no mysterious magic going on...
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Message 346289 - Posted: 23 Jun 2006, 6:07:06 UTC - in response to Message 345336.  

But is the hardness of bronze more than (hardness Cu + hardness Sn)?
We all know you can't get something from nothing. Much like the two pest species - it's no suprise that if you are being attacked by one pest, you'll have alot less resistance to devote to the second pest that comes to attack you!
'Synergy' my rear! The term should be used only with the understanding that there's no mysterious magic going on...

I didn't tote up the two metal's hardness, but the corrosion resistance for any given corrosion agent is far more than the sum of the two.
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