I agree with your comments regarding the main SETI, but I don't know if you're aware of it but Crunch3r (under the name TMR - won't try to spell it out and insult him) is still active in BETA.

TMR are Tetsuji "Maverick" Rai's initials, sorry...

Regards Hans

P.S: I hope I didn't spell his name wrong.

That's why I used the initials - wasn't sure of the spelling and didn't want to add insult to injury ;-)

I think what Hans meant to say is that Tetsuji 'Maverick' Rai (TMR) and Crunch3r are NOT one and the same person. :)

Greetings, Sander

P.S. Crunch3r: it's a big shame what happened, it is stupid to think that you invested the huge ammounts of time and effort in optimizing these apps just to cheat on your own little seti@home account.

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FFS, I cannot believe anybody at Berzerkeley could be so stupid as to offend such a valued contributor. They really have shot themselves in the foot.

No one pointed it out yet, but absolutely not. Berkeley may have made their share of goofs, but this is not theirs. There were accusations of cheating leveled at him from another participant who would simply not let things drop. One that simply pitched logic into the crapper for what ever reasons. If one must know, go to his website and you can get the details. But I would suggest speaking nothing concerning names and subjects in these forums. It's only a suggestion.

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[quote][quote]There were accusations of cheating leveled at him from another participant who would simply not let things drop. One that simply pitched logic into the crapper for what ever reasons.quote]


And That thread has now been put on again from a copy that crunch3r made before it was taken off.
That person is continuing to call him a cheat in the same manner as before.

Opening up the thread to viewing again I think is a good thing as people can now see what so many are talking about but the bad manner of the acuusations (still only accusations from collected insubstantiol evidence presented as factual proof) I suspect even after cooling off Chrunch3r wont come back if he thinks he just going to keep getting hounded like that.

I'm sorry about that Crunch3r is leaving but what I'm even more sorry about is many others are leaving because of it.

I'm will surely not leave SETI because of one person is leaving it.

I started this alone, without forums without optimized apps way back then,
in the beginning when SETI@home classic started.

I crunched without being in any team or any forum for over 2 years.

After that I found the forums and teams became at least "semi active" in them.

But I'm not crunching because of the teams or forums or because of the developers.

I will surly be crunching SETI as long as SETI exist,
because of the main goal it self, I'd love if we would find Extra terrestrial proof.

It's sad to see good people leave, but people will continue to leave and
others will take their place, it's everybody's own choice what to do or why.

But one thing is for sure, you have to have some attitude of your own
and you can't take your self too seriously if you want to stay.

I AGREE 100%

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Here is an email from Rom to Crunch3r about these theme:

I think several things happened in the background that required the enhanced
applications release. I think the project deemed it was deemed good enough
and we'll fix whatever the issues are in route.

Rarely do you ever get to ship the perfect product when pressures are coming
from the people funding different things.
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After this next education curve things should mellow out and maybe we can get optimized
clients on everybody's computer by default.

----- Rom

Think about it.

From a Crunch3r in another thread

P.P.S

I've also released a "stock application" today and notified Eric if he could test that one on the beta project to see if all the c++ exceptions are compiler related due that i know that i didn't seen those on my apps.

Hopefully he cosiders it and i wouldn't mind to compile a stock app without cpu specific optimizations to be released to public.

But that's not a choice i'll have to make ;)

/EDIT

Seems ALL us seti crunchers have lost out of potential solution to some of the probs plaguing some people with the enhanced app and the possible performance benifits for ALL.
Chrunch3r will be greatly missed for all the work he has done and the great sence of community he brought to the project and also for the future loss(es) as he has decided to leave the project.

I've never used an optimized SETI app but would like to. Is there any way I can still get to use one? Thx.

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Founder of BOINC team Objectivists. Oh the humanity! Rational people crunching data!
I did NOT authorize this belly writing!

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I've not used the crunch3r apps, but it seems that he did some really good things, and has proved his value. I would really like to see his stuff as "standard clients"!

2) when someone has an improvement (like crunch3r), feed the changes back to UCB, and let the project release the changed app to the world. That way, if a problem does arise, the project can take the heat and make the correction (in conjunction with the person that fed in the change), and everyone gets the update by way of normal processing. (again, this seems to be the way that Einstein will be releasing new "optimized" apps in the near future)

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Unfortunately, the Standard Application has to run on any platform.

Crunch3r's Optimized Applications were compiled for specific CPUs. (You can't run an SSE3 application on a P3 system.

True but if the app were 'approved' for release by Berkeley we whose computers a particular app would run on would KNOW it was an okay version to use. It might even give Berkeley an idea for further optimization of thier own code.

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A huge boycot of the SAH project now, will sure cause that there'll be no need for a 'fund-raising campaign' next year, and some of the permantly employed staff at SAH will have to look around for another job.
Money-contributers look at statistics too!

Hats off for Crunch3r (and his team of developers) - he/they really cortributed to science.

Kiva

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Greetings from Norway

Crunch3er & AK-V8 Inside

Kudos and all my respect to Chrunch3r!! You made SETI worthwhile again for me.

Never was I more happy to NOT have donated any money to SETI.

Adios SETI!

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I disconnected S@H. Now crunching for climateprediction and E@H.

"Kleinvieh macht auch Mist!" (German proverb)

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@crunch3r

stderr.txt:
SETI@Home Informational message -9 result_overflow
NOTE: The number of results detected exceeds the storage space allocated.

Is this a problem? I'm seeing it alot.

It's not a problem if everyone else is getting the same results on the same workunit.

Eric

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@SETIEric@qoto.org (Mastodon)

@crunch3r

stderr.txt:
SETI@Home Informational message -9 result_overflow
NOTE: The number of results detected exceeds the storage space allocated.

Is this a problem? I'm seeing it alot.

It's not a problem if everyone else is getting the same results on the same workunit.

Eric

Thanks for the reply and just so you know I am having very few problems with bad work units including the "header-thingy", just lucky I guess.

edit: spelling

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Hello,

It's not quite easy for me to write this, to honest to you all i'm writing this now with a tear running from my eye.

It's been a fantastic time here for quite a while, since things have changed for the bad.

That's why i'm taking the consequences and have to say god bye to you all.

Take care of yourself and keep on crunching.

Good by SETI.

Sorry for the bad circunstances of retiring, that´s the worst way of ... leaving anything (sorry my poor english). I'LL use your work till the last time.

AZKON
SAT_24HORAS

Thanks for the reply and just so you know I am having very few problems with bad work units including the "header-thingy", just lucky I guess.

Scott:
It is not luck, you are using Crunch3r's BOINC client and Seti app. which are significantly better than the standard BOINC client and Seti app.

Franz

Well, what do you know another one bites the dust. It's funny how mediorce people have a way of running off the really intelligent folks that actually contribute to a project.

Speeding up the crunching process is not cheating, who ever stated that is a complete idiot. Why do you think they keep building super computers to go faster and faster? So they can process more and do it faster, DOH!

I'm done with this project as soon as I finish my remaining units. There is absolutlely no point in supporting a project that doesn't support it's users. I don't like taking 5 hours to process one unit when it can be done in 2.

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I agree. Crunch3r made this fun with my teammates. I believe in the research but, not berkeley. The londoncenrtal.org team will be leaving too. see ya!

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Well, what do you know another one bites the dust. It's funny how mediorce people have a way of running off the really intelligent folks that actually contribute to a project.

Speeding up the crunching process is not cheating, who ever stated that is a complete idiot. Why do you think they keep building super computers to go faster and faster? So they can process more and do it faster, DOH!

I'm done with this project as soon as I finish my remaining units. There is absolutlely no point in supporting a project that doesn't support it's users. I don't like taking 5 hours to process one unit when it can be done in 2.

You are aware that new optimized clients are coming?

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I'm done with this project as soon as I finish my remaining units. There is absolutlely no point in supporting a project that doesn't support it's users. I don't like taking 5 hours to process one unit when it can be done in 2.

I am shuting down my computer for this projekt long befor you, because of the same reason!!!
Why I schould waste my energy for this projekt when there (at seti@home)is no one how is interested in high effizient calculating?
Ist our MONEY and the best thing to make it them clear is to boykott them!!!
They are nothing without us! and we should do better things with our computerpower.
For example Folding@home or similar
Folding@hom is creating an client how uses currently ATI GPUs for calculating.
To this, Seti Projekt is "Mittelalter" :-)

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PS. Thanks to crunch3r for his excellent work! There was no better client on Net.

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I'm done with this project as soon as I finish my remaining units. There is absolutlely no point in supporting a project that doesn't support it's users. I don't like taking 5 hours to process one unit when it can be done in 2.

I am shuting down my computer for this projekt long befor you, because of the same reason!!!
Why I schould waste my energy for this projekt when there (at seti@home)is no one how is interested in high effizient calculating?
Ist our MONEY and the best thing to make it them clear is to boykott them!!!
They are nothing without us! and we should do better things with our computerpower.
For example Folding@home or similar
Folding@hom is creating an client how uses currently ATI GPUs for calculating.
To this, Seti Projekt is "Mittelalter" :-)

Such negative attitudes are a such a bore. To say that the Seti folks are not intersted in high efficiency processing is a misstatement, at best. They do not have the staff to do the optimized programming themselves, but they have been very supportive of the optimizing efforts led by Simon Zadra (alias Chicken), and many people directly assosciated with the Seti project have been working with him to compile new optimzed apps over the last several months. I believe they are approaching the final testing stages and getting them ready for final release. The optimized apps that are currently offered by the Chicken group already have increased crunching yield by anywhere from 10-30%, depending on platform, and the new releases promise to increase that even futher.
If you think that crunching for Seti is a waste of your computer power...see 'ya! That is your choice, and the other Boinc supported projects are certainly worthy of your donated CPU time.
But don't dis the Seti project please.
And the GPU processing bit has been hashed over several times in this forum, and enough explanation has been given as to why it is not a worthwhile effort to devote the resources available to at this time.
Happy crunching trails to you.

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