And also, I don't care if anyone is making profit over this. If my computer discovers the cure for aids, and someone makes money on that cure, that's OK by me if it saves lives! I would then be part of saving someones, or maybe a lot of peoples lives! I'm glad to be given this opportunity!

If the people making the cure was unable to make money on it, they probably wouldn't do it. Therefor it's OK that they do. And if they had to buy supercomputers to do this work so they could make money on it, the cure would be a lot more expencive, and people needing it in the third world couldn't afford it.

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I think you have things a little confused. Drug companies aren't humanitarian organizations. They're corporations motivated by profit. Look at the drug Taxol.

It is very unlikely that any CURES would result from the protein related projects. Possibly vaccines to prevent a disease or more likely maintenance drugs to halt a disease's progression. When compared with a maintenance drug there's no real money in a cure. When these drugs are produced don't expect the products to reach the market at a price affordable for common people, much less those in third world nations. Just look at the cost of common AIDS maintenance drugs.
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I still don't care if they are making money. It will be used for something good for somboby, and I'm happy!

Maybe they will find a vaccine against HIV, so people that takes that vaccine don't get HIV? Just like other vaccines kids get for other decieses?

(Sorry if any misspelling.. A couple of words here I'm not sure how to spell...)

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Greetings from Norway.
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Well like I said before I'm not crazy about the increased time to crunch and I'm sure I'm not alone in this, If SetiBoinc dies from discouraged users, Then I guess It will be RIP for SetiBoinc. But then lets face It there are a lot of inactive users who could care less about doing any work, To them They can say They are a part of It, It doesn't matter if They do It or not to Them. So sure SetiBoinc will have a dedicated core alright, But It will be less then what It is now, Far less I'd think. If I'm wrong ok, If not, Well what can I say?

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I do not mind that crunch times take longer. To me it seems if they do take longer then maybe my computer is looking at the data closer than it did before. I also was testing the alpha version of BOINC. In the new one the deadlines to finish work will be longer because many people only run BOINC/SETI when their screensaver is on. Even though the time to completion may look long, in many cases it will not take, for example, over 200 hours to complete the WU. The time to completion is really just an estimate of how long its going to take because there are times, if you crunch constantly like me, that the computer has more free resources than it does when I am chatting on an IM or a chat room or surfing the web.

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"By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible". Hebrews 11.3

Well like I said before I'm not crazy about the increased time to crunch and I'm sure I'm not alone in this, If SetiBoinc dies from discouraged users, Then I guess It will be RIP for SetiBoinc. But then lets face It there are a lot of inactive users who could care less about doing any work, To them They can say They are a part of It, It doesn't matter if They do It or not to Them. So sure SetiBoinc will have a dedicated core alright, But It will be less then what It is now, Far less I'd think. If I'm wrong ok, If not, Well what can I say?

I can accept that this is your point of view, but I can't agree with your conclusion.
There will be loss of slow computers, I'm sure. And I hope other projects benefit from it. Just as was predicted with the closure of Classic, I don't foresee any mass exodus from Seti. People that want to search for ET will continue. The number of volunteers will continue to increase, and with faster computers more analysis will be done. Armageddon is not on the horizon.

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Well like I said before I'm not crazy about the increased time to crunch and I'm sure I'm not alone in this, If SetiBoinc dies from discouraged users, Then I guess It will be RIP for SetiBoinc. But then lets face It there are a lot of inactive users who could care less about doing any work, To them They can say They are a part of It, It doesn't matter if They do It or not to Them. So sure SetiBoinc will have a dedicated core alright, But It will be less then what It is now, Far less I'd think. If I'm wrong ok, If not, Well what can I say?

I can accept that this your point of view, but I can't agree with you conclusion.
There will be loss of slow computers, I'm sure. And I hope other projects benefit from it. Just as was predicted with the closure of Classic, I don't foresee any mass exodus from Seti. People that want to search for ET will continue. The number of volunteers will continue to increase, and with faster computers more analysis will be done. Armageddon is not on the horizon.

I can say I own a "slower computer". I run Windows 98 and to todays standards that is considered ancient. But I can assure you, regardless of the longer crunch times (see my other post in this thread about longer crunch times), I will continue to crunch WU's as long as my computer allows me to :)

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"By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible". Hebrews 11.3

Well like I said before I'm not crazy about the increased time to crunch and I'm sure I'm not alone in this, If SetiBoinc dies from discouraged users, Then I guess It will be RIP for SetiBoinc. But then lets face It there are a lot of inactive users who could care less about doing any work, To them They can say They are a part of It, It doesn't matter if They do It or not to Them. So sure SetiBoinc will have a dedicated core alright, But It will be less then what It is now, Far less I'd think. If I'm wrong ok, If not, Well what can I say?

I think it's better for SETI to increase chrunch-time so that each work-unit is chrunched "better", than re-chrunching the same workunits time after time. SETI has finished the search for ET in the closests solar-systems, and are now looking towards the next ones. That requiers more compting, and that takes longer. That means workunits with longer chrunch-time...

Todays computers have CPUs strong enough to handle this. One of this new workunits will not take longer than one workunit for SETI classic six years ago. More powerfull computers = better chance of findig ET, because the search ratio is much larger. We can now discover weaker signals!

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My thought is this. A cure for AIDS is found. The company uses information from one of the projects and makes $100 million. Saving 40 million peoples lives. That is OK with me.

Pity about the other 500 million that can't afford the medication & still die...

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Grant
Darwin NT

Well like I said before I'm not crazy about the increased time to crunch and I'm sure I'm not alone in this, If SetiBoinc dies from discouraged users, Then I guess It will be RIP for SetiBoinc. But then lets face It there are a lot of inactive users who could care less about doing any work, To them They can say They are a part of It, It doesn't matter if They do It or not to Them. So sure SetiBoinc will have a dedicated core alright, But It will be less then what It is now, Far less I'd think. If I'm wrong ok, If not, Well what can I say?

I can accept that this your point of view, but I can't agree with you conclusion.
There will be loss of slow computers, I'm sure. And I hope other projects benefit from it. Just as was predicted with the closure of Classic, I don't foresee any mass exodus from Seti. People that want to search for ET will continue. The number of volunteers will continue to increase, and with faster computers more analysis will be done. Armageddon is not on the horizon.

I can say I own a "slower computer". I run Windows 98 and to todays standards that is considered ancient. But I can assure you, regardless of the longer crunch times (see my other post in this thread about longer crunch times), I will continue to crunch WU's as long as my computer allows me to :)

Until recently, I was also running one of the slower computers - a P-90. However, it recently died, and it was determined that it was not worth resurecting.

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My thought is this. A cure for AIDS is found. The company uses information from one of the projects and makes $100 million. Saving 40 million peoples lives. That is OK with me.

Pity about the other 500 million that can't afford the medication & still die...

It's better saving 50 million people who can afford it, than not saving anyboduy at all!

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Greetings from Norway.
Crunching is fun!

My thought is this. A cure for AIDS is found. The company uses information from one of the projects and makes $100 million. Saving 40 million peoples lives. That is OK with me.

Pity about the other 500 million that can't afford the medication & still die...

I do NOT believe a cure for aids has been found. I do believe that there IS a cure out there but we do not have enough scientists to find it. Thats why we use cumputing projects. A computer can accomplish more work in a day than a human can in a week. With all these computers in the world analyzing dats for SETI, FightAids@home, and all other projects, we can cut the time Humans do in research by decades. With that being the case, that time that has been freed, a scientist can use that time to look for the cure rather than spending his/her time researching.

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"By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible". Hebrews 11.3

It's better saving 50 million people who can afford it, than not saving anyboduy at all!

Interesting concept- only the wealthy are worthing of saving.

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Grant
Darwin NT

My thought is this. A cure for AIDS is found. The company uses information from one of the projects and makes $100 million. Saving 40 million peoples lives. That is OK with me.

Pity about the other 500 million that can't afford the medication & still die...

It's better saving 50 million people who can afford it, than not saving anyboduy at all!

And besides, if there are really 500 million people in poor countries that need the medicine (AIDS - yes, some other problems no), you can bet that there will be a company in India or some other country that will come up with a knock-off in fairly short order after some company comes up with a drug for the wealthier countries.

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And besides, if there are really 500 million people in poor countries that need the medicine (AIDS - yes, some other problems no), you can bet that there will be a company in India or some other country that will come up with a knock-off in fairly short order after some company comes up with a drug for the wealthier countries.

And the company that came up with that drug will wipe out the other company legally to protect their profits.

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Grant
Darwin NT

It's better saving 50 million people who can afford it, than not saving anyboduy at all!

Interesting concept- only the wealthy are worthing of saving.

Are you saying if all can't be saved, then none should?

MJ

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It's better saving 50 million people who can afford it, than not saving anybody at all!

Interesting concept- only the wealthy are worthing of saving.

That is not what I said! I said it's better to save wealthy people than nobody! The best is of course to save everybody, but that is just not reality, is it?

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Are you saying if all can't be saved, then none should?

Nope, just that more should be done to save all.

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Grant
Darwin NT

Are you saying if all can't be saved, then none should?

Nope, just that more should be done to save all.

That is not what it sounded like in your reply!

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Greetings from Norway.
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The best is of course to save everybody, but that is just not reality, is it?

We determine what is or isn't possible.




Anyway, this isn't really the appropriate forum (let alone thread!) for this discussion, so i'll desist.

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Grant
Darwin NT

As a person who has/had Cancer, I say find the cure first, then worry about the other issues.

Knock offs, and subsidized versions of the drug will end up being available to most. The rich will get it, the poor will be given it via taxpayers, and us middle class people will pay out the butt for it. I know I would if one existed.

If you're the affected person, you opinion might change.

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I agree this is the wrong thread to have this discussion, so I'll leave it here as well.

It's not up to me or you what is possible. I'm just trying to tell the fact that the project itself is probalbly non-profit, but when (and if) they find anything, somebody have to produce the medicine, and they will probably have a profit.

My point is that I don't care how long a WU is or how much credit I can get for it. I do this to help the BOINC projects, and hope my computers do something good, for the few or for the masses, rich people or not....

Have a good night! (It's 02.30 here in Norway. I'm going to bed.)

Edit: A couple of misspellings...

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Greetings from Norway.
Crunching is fun!