**ANNOUNCEMENT FROM PROJECT DIRECTOR**

<snip of message>
- Matt Lebofsky
Project Director.
(Copied and pasted from the: uploads are failing today thread)
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=21136

Um, Jason, I'm sure Matt wouldn't mind the promotion, but that's not the way he signed the message, that's not his position with the project. Your post implies both.

MJ

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And what does this up- / download bottleneck, that is hit every time tell us? Maybe (from the former experience) nothing... but i think nonetheless it is this (stupid) double connection thingie, that is unique to Seti, no other project needs / uses this redundant stuff... :/

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Aloha, Uli

Oh, the great "Soudawani", seer of all things, knower of all things to be known, doer of nothing, has stirred up this magic future viewer container. <peers deeply into container>......

I predict that the next several posts will contain text. I also predict that the enclosed text will offer "shock and dismay" at the lack of further detail in Matt Lebofskys' update. <Soudawani scratches head>hmmm didn't they just imply they'd be happy just to know that they were aware of the problem and someone was working on it????.

Ok guys here is the problem.

Oddly enough, you were wrong.

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- cJ

Since nothing has happened and all people overlook my post for the the main cause, i post my same message again, since the situation hasn't changed a single bit :(((( :

The usual (and often criticised by me) double connection bullsh*t is happening again :P
You can monitor this, if you use a local proxy, that shows a realtime log. First upload attempt is a post with 236 (first time) or 238-239 (every further attempt) bytes. At the moment this first attempt has a chance of about 32% to get a positive response. After the positive response the BOINC manager makes a second connect attempt to actually upload the crunch result. Size varies from unit to unit. If you are lucky enough to get thru on the first, you can be pretty dam'ned sure, that the second will fail. I see absolutely no use in this, except to double the neccessary load. But as usual, noone will be listening and instead i will be bashed and minused for mentioning inconvenient things :/

BTW: This happens only, and really only @Seti, other projects seem not to need this plain BS...

Actually, I think its more do to data transfer. Most of my friends use the SETI Classic and have been getting slower analyzing rates. Berklry has been in the process of shutting classic down for a while now and only recently (past few days) have started to transfer data to BOINC. hence in an earlier thread reply (i forget who) said it was traffic. Well it is, kinda. More like data traffic than computer traffic. Everything everythwere is trying to be transferred, uploaded, downloaded, and saced etc. That slows down everything dramatically.

It boils down to this - no one knows. The people that are looking at it have the best chance of understanding it as they have the evidence at hand.

We can speculate ad nauseum but the fault will turn out to be whatever the fault is. No amount of speculation is going to change that.

One thing we DO know is that we have seen this all before and no amount of posts by 'speculators', 'experts' or people being helpful is going to make one jot of difference.

There are many, many people who post here who have years and years of experience in the computer industry as designers, coders, validators, administrators and users and one thing we all know is that if someone comes up to us and says 'this isnt working' the LAST thing we do is just sit and speculate as to what the problem might be. The FIRST thing we do is say 'show me'. We gather the evidence and come to an informed conclusion and then take the required action. That is what we can't do, there is very little evidence to hand - for us. For the guys at Berkeley it's different and, as we know, they may have other priorities.

However if it helps - post. :)

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See Matt's post

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My movie https://vimeo.com/manage/videos/502242

Ok guys here is the problem.

Oddly enough, you were wrong.

A little bit of humour always goes down well......

Tickled me anyway. :)

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A little bit of humour always goes down well......

Tickled me anyway. :)

I thought it was

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- cJ

:doh: Ok guys, i finally give up on this, it is like fighting wind mills...

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Aloha, Uli

I may have been half wrong. It takes a little more effort to transfer an entire program and its sontents. it would only be reasonable to assume the high amounts of data would cause the slow down. It also stats they have begun transfering in a post on Oct. 10 in the Tech. News area.

Is there any reason why some of you guys have to be so snotty? just because you have more credits does not make you better than me or anyone else.

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"By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible". Hebrews 11.3

October 13, 2005
Our upload/download server has been dropping connections since yesterday's regular outage. We are not yet sure what the bottleneck is. It may be that our load of old-but-undeleted results and workunits has passed some threshold. We'll be cleaning this up parallel to normal operations. At this point, the connection drop rate is decreasing and should reach zero by the end of the day (PDT).

Explanation at last (?) thread.

I believe I may have said something similar to that earlier? ;-)

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"By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible". Hebrews 11.3

(...)just because you have more credits does not make you better than me or anyone else.

I hope, you're not referring to me, cause i'm not aware of any attack i did against you or anyone else :O

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Aloha, Uli

(...)just because you have more credits does not make you better than me or anyone else.

I hope, you're not referring to me, cause i'm not aware of any attack i did against you or anyone else :O

Nope. Not referring to you at all :)

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"By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible". Hebrews 11.3

I may have been half wrong. It takes a little more effort to transfer an entire program and its sontents. it would only be reasonable to assume the high amounts of data would cause the slow down. It also stats they have begun transfering in a post on Oct. 10 in the Tech. News area.

Is there any reason why some of you guys have to be so snotty? just because you have more credits does not make you better than me or anyone else.

The point is Jason - it just doesn't matter. Why waste your energy speculating and making yourself a target to be shot at?

Relax a little, read the posts for a month or two, get to know your way around, get the feel of the place. It isn't quite what it appears on the surface. There are a lot of people with hidden agendas and lots of people with a good sense of humour who mean no harm. :)

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I may have been half wrong. It takes a little more effort to transfer an entire program and its sontents. it would only be reasonable to assume the high amounts of data would cause the slow down. It also stats they have begun transfering in a post on Oct. 10 in the Tech. News area.

Is there any reason why some of you guys have to be so snotty? just because you have more credits does not make you better than me or anyone else.

The point is Jason - it just doesn't matter. Why waste your energy speculating and making yourself a target to be shot at?

Relax a little, read the posts for a month or two, get to know your way around, get the feel of the place. It isn't quite what it appears on the surface. There are a lot of people with hidden agendas and lots of people with a good sense of humour who mean no harm. :)

I agree with the sense of humor part...with some people. Then there are the 1's that just like to make sure they stay on top and make their voice known just cuz they have 100,000 credits. I recently said i am not in it for the credits. I am in it for the science. I also think that there is NO harm in debating an issue seeing therer are so many that have it. Speculating and debating is part of coming up with solution. The more people having the problem, the easier it can be to locate it. Hence why error messages should be posted when needed. Correct me if im werong, but I thought the threads/forums were for things like this, and science, and "cafe"?

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"By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible". Hebrews 11.3

I may have been half wrong. It takes a little more effort to transfer an entire program and its sontents. it would only be reasonable to assume the high amounts of data would cause the slow down. It also stats they have begun transfering in a post on Oct. 10 in the Tech. News area.

Is there any reason why some of you guys have to be so snotty? just because you have more credits does not make you better than me or anyone else.

Tech News Page:

October 10, 2005 - 23:30 UTC
Last week we finished the first phase of the science "migration." What this means is that all of the scientific results from SETI@home classic have been migrated over to the BOINC science database. There is a bit of cleanup work to be done, but the next big phase is merging these data with BOINC data. We will soon be able to shut down the classic master science database, which is currently running on the same server as the BOINC scheduler.


It looks there as if it is done.. And it doesn't say anything about it currently merging the DB, it says that is what comes next.

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- cJ

I may have been half wrong. It takes a little more effort to transfer an entire program and its sontents. it would only be reasonable to assume the high amounts of data would cause the slow down. It also stats they have begun transfering in a post on Oct. 10 in the Tech. News area.

Is there any reason why some of you guys have to be so snotty? just because you have more credits does not make you better than me or anyone else.

Tech News Page:

October 10, 2005 - 23:30 UTC
Last week we finished the first phase of the science "migration." What this means is that all of the scientific results from SETI@home classic have been migrated over to the BOINC science database. There is a bit of cleanup work to be done, but the next big phase is merging these data with BOINC data. We will soon be able to shut down the classic master science database, which is currently running on the same server as the BOINC scheduler.


It looks there as if it is done.. And it doesn't say anything about it currently merging the DB, it says that is what comes next.

We will soon be able to shut down the classic master science database, which is currently running on the same server as the BOINC scheduler.

Data. Large amounts take time. 2 big programs on little servers which can only do so much.

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"By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible". Hebrews 11.3

I may have been half wrong. It takes a little more effort to transfer an entire program and its sontents. it would only be reasonable to assume the high amounts of data would cause the slow down. It also stats they have begun transfering in a post on Oct. 10 in the Tech. News area.

Is there any reason why some of you guys have to be so snotty? just because you have more credits does not make you better than me or anyone else.

The point is Jason - it just doesn't matter. Why waste your energy speculating and making yourself a target to be shot at?

Relax a little, read the posts for a month or two, get to know your way around, get the feel of the place. It isn't quite what it appears on the surface. There are a lot of people with hidden agendas and lots of people with a good sense of humour who mean no harm. :)

I agree with the sense of humor part...with some people. Then there are the 1's that just like to make sure they stay on top and make their voice known just cuz they have 100,000 credits. I recently said i am not in it for the credits. I am in it for the science. I also think that there is NO harm in debating an issue seeing therer are so many that have it. Speculating and debating is part of coming up with solution. The more people having the problem, the easier it can be to locate it. Hence why error messages should be posted when needed. Correct me if im werong, but I thought the threads/forums were for things like this, and science, and "cafe"?

Jason you have no evidence regarding the 100,000 credits part of your post. The fact is the more credits generally the more experience and hence the more knowledge. I do agree that some people have a 'personality' problem in terms of delivery of their message - accept it, you aren't going to change that.

I have to take issue with your use of the word 'debate'. A debate implies differing views based on a persons experience and ageuing them out. Here we are all experiencing the same thing and just resorting to guessing - hardly the basis for debate.

No problem with reporting error messages - other people may have seen them before and be willing to offer a solution. In this case there is no solution other that waiting. There is nothing WE can do.

Like I said before all your speculation has made you a target for people who enjoy shooting at others.

Like I also said before: if it helps - post. But be prepared. :)

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I agree with the sense of humor part...with some people. Then there are the 1's that just like to make sure they stay on top and make their voice known just cuz they have 100,000 credits. I recently said i am not in it for the credits. I am in it for the science. I also think that there is NO harm in debating an issue seeing therer are so many that have it. Speculating and debating is part of coming up with solution. The more people having the problem, the easier it can be to locate it. Hence why error messages should be posted when needed. Correct me if im werong, but I thought the threads/forums were for things like this, and science, and "cafe"?

October 13, 2005
Our upload/download server has been dropping connections since yesterday's regular outage.

You said the more people having the problem.. It became obvious very quickly that everyone, or almost everyone was included in this. And everyone had the same error message, so posting it a million times, doesn't help.

We are not yet sure what the bottleneck is.

So, since everyone, or most everyone, has the problem it should be easy to locate it right?? Well, the people at UCB are having problems with that one I guess.

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- cJ

I may have been half wrong. It takes a little more effort to transfer an entire program and its sontents. it would only be reasonable to assume the high amounts of data would cause the slow down. It also stats they have begun transfering in a post on Oct. 10 in the Tech. News area.

Is there any reason why some of you guys have to be so snotty? just because you have more credits does not make you better than me or anyone else.

The point is Jason - it just doesn't matter. Why waste your energy speculating and making yourself a target to be shot at?

Relax a little, read the posts for a month or two, get to know your way around, get the feel of the place. It isn't quite what it appears on the surface. There are a lot of people with hidden agendas and lots of people with a good sense of humour who mean no harm. :)

I agree with the sense of humor part...with some people. Then there are the 1's that just like to make sure they stay on top and make their voice known just cuz they have 100,000 credits. I recently said i am not in it for the credits. I am in it for the science. I also think that there is NO harm in debating an issue seeing therer are so many that have it. Speculating and debating is part of coming up with solution. The more people having the problem, the easier it can be to locate it. Hence why error messages should be posted when needed. Correct me if im werong, but I thought the threads/forums were for things like this, and science, and "cafe"?

Jason you have no evidence regardong the 100,000 credits part of your post. The fact is the more credits generally the more experience and hence the more knowledge. I do agree that some people have a 'personality' problem in terms of delivery of their message - accept it, you aren't going to chnage that.

I have to take issue with your use of the word 'debate'. A debate implies differing views based on a persons experience and agruing them out. Here we are all experiencing the same thing and just resorting to guessing - hardly the basis for debate.

No problem with reporting error messages - other people may have seen them before and be willing to offer a solution. In this case there is no solution other that waiting. There is nothing WE can do.

Like I said before all your speculation has made you a target for people who enjoy shooting at others.

Like I also said before: if it helps - post. But be prepared. :)

Well if I believe some are stepping the line with their "high horse" then they need to understand that if I am shot at I will shoot back...if necessary :)

I don't like to sound mean ;-)

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"By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible". Hebrews 11.3