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Message 140261 - Posted: 21 Jul 2005, 16:19:10 UTC

When one has a backlog of 25 "Ready to reports" and one receives the following message ad infinitum at various times during the day, one has to wonder - Has the new data server actually made any difference?

7/21/2005 6:15:21 PM|SETI@home|Scheduler request to http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/cgi failed
7/21/2005 6:15:21 PM|SETI@home|No schedulers responded
7/21/2005 6:15:22 PM|SETI@home|Deferring communication with project for 58 seconds

Perhaps Seti classic is the way forward as it is the only system that seems to work.

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Message 140265 - Posted: 21 Jul 2005, 16:30:40 UTC

I don't notice any difference whatsoever. I wonder whether the BOINC staff monitors these boards in order to understand the nature of the problem. I never experienced a problem uploading results. My problem had to do with registgering results which requires a connection to the scheduler.

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Message 140277 - Posted: 21 Jul 2005, 17:11:43 UTC

I have seen a HUGE difference! Within hours my upload and download queues had cleared and the work unit queues for my three machines were filling back up again. I have ocassionally gotten a "no work from project" message, but that is to be expected after a long outage. This should also right itself once the splitters have had a chance to catch up.

The Classic system is being abandoned. We all need to get used to that idea and quit clamoring for the return of a system that no longer meets the needs of the science. It is, after all, the science that is the important thing here...not stats...not egos...not anything else, really.
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Message 140297 - Posted: 21 Jul 2005, 18:38:36 UTC - in response to Message 140277.  

I have seen a HUGE difference! Within hours my upload and download queues had cleared and the work unit queues for my three machines were filling back up again. I have ocassionally gotten a "no work from project" message, but that is to be expected after a long outage. This should also right itself once the splitters have had a chance to catch up.

The Classic system is being abandoned. We all need to get used to that idea and quit clamoring for the return of a system that no longer meets the needs of the science. It is, after all, the science that is the important thing here...not stats...not egos...not anything else, really.


Does this mean that you don't see the "No Schedulers Responded" message? It seems as if some of us get that message reliably while others never see it.

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Message 140346 - Posted: 21 Jul 2005, 19:40:44 UTC - in response to Message 140297.  
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I have seen a HUGE difference! Within hours my upload and download queues had cleared and the work unit queues for my three machines were filling back up again. I have ocassionally gotten a "no work from project" message, but that is to be expected after a long outage. This should also right itself once the splitters have had a chance to catch up.

The Classic system is being abandoned. We all need to get used to that idea and quit clamoring for the return of a system that no longer meets the needs of the science. It is, after all, the science that is the important thing here...not stats...not egos...not anything else, really.


Does this mean that you don't see the "No Schedulers Responded" message? It seems as if some of us get that message reliably while others never see it.


I have not gotten the "No Schedulers Responded" message since the new server was put up. I got quite alot of communication deferals because of all the clients trying to upload/download, but this has fixed itself currently.

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Message 140374 - Posted: 21 Jul 2005, 20:16:15 UTC - in response to Message 140277.  

I have seen a HUGE difference! Within hours my upload and download queues had cleared and the work unit queues for my three machines were filling back up again. I have ocassionally gotten a "no work from project" message, but that is to be expected after a long outage. This should also right itself once the splitters have had a chance to catch up.

The Classic system is being abandoned. We all need to get used to that idea and quit clamoring for the return of a system that no longer meets the needs of the science. It is, after all, the science that is the important thing here...not stats...not egos...not anything else, really.


" It is, after all, the science that is the important thing here...not stats...not egos...not anything else, really."

I understand your point Stanley but don't forget that sometimes it is because of the stats and because of the egos that the units get processed at all and NO units processed = NO science. The systems that process the science can't tell the reason why a unit was processed, the important thing is that it was. Let's not get judgemental here.
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Message 140377 - Posted: 21 Jul 2005, 20:20:16 UTC
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Uploads and downloads are working for me on my 4 box's RAH rAH RaH sis BOom BAH, but then again I am a Cheerleader and I believe in Boinc.......Oh, and even if the Scheduler does not answer, I worry not, for I am connected to other projects that take up the slack.......
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Message 140416 - Posted: 21 Jul 2005, 21:11:19 UTC - in response to Message 140377.  

Uploads and downloads are working for me on my 4 box's RAH rAH RaH sis BOom BAH, but then again I am a Cheerleader and I believe in Boinc.......Oh, and even if the Scheduler does not answer, I worry not, for I am connected to other projects that take up the slack.......


Yeah, I'm in the position of having uploaded results and am waiting for a scheduler connection to "register" the results. My results will expire today if I don't get a connection today. This doesn't seem to be happening to everyone just some "special" accounts. When I have access to a higher speed connection (WIFI) the problems disappear. When I use a tethered cell phone, I can upload and download WUs and results. I just cannot connect to the scheduler and I get the "Internal Server Error" message. Every other service (web browsing, email, etc.) works fine using my cell phone.


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Message 140425 - Posted: 21 Jul 2005, 21:19:52 UTC

I literally had over 1500 units (50+ computers with 30+ units) that needed uploaded yesterday. They have ALL cleared out. The system seems to be working fantastic now.

Way to go!


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Message 141798 - Posted: 24 Jul 2005, 6:49:55 UTC - in response to Message 140374.  

I have seen a HUGE difference! Within hours my upload and download queues had cleared and the work unit queues for my three machines were filling back up again. I have ocassionally gotten a "no work from project" message, but that is to be expected after a long outage. This should also right itself once the splitters have had a chance to catch up.

The Classic system is being abandoned. We all need to get used to that idea and quit clamoring for the return of a system that no longer meets the needs of the science. It is, after all, the science that is the important thing here...not stats...not egos...not anything else, really.


" It is, after all, the science that is the important thing here...not stats...not egos...not anything else, really."

I understand your point Stanley but don't forget that sometimes it is because of the stats and because of the egos that the units get processed at all and NO units processed = NO science. The systems that process the science can't tell the reason why a unit was processed, the important thing is that it was. Let's not get judgemental here.


I am not sure I agree with your statement. As a scientist, it is my experience that big egos make for VERY sloppy science. However, one of the beauties of living in a free society is our right to disagree with each other. Age old wisdom says that opinions are like assholes...everyone has one.

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Message 143293 - Posted: 26 Jul 2005, 22:30:24 UTC - in response to Message 141798.  

I have seen a HUGE difference! Within hours my upload and download queues had cleared and the work unit queues for my three machines were filling back up again. I have ocassionally gotten a "no work from project" message, but that is to be expected after a long outage. This should also right itself once the splitters have had a chance to catch up.

The Classic system is being abandoned. We all need to get used to that idea and quit clamoring for the return of a system that no longer meets the needs of the science. It is, after all, the science that is the important thing here...not stats...not egos...not anything else, really.


" It is, after all, the science that is the important thing here...not stats...not egos...not anything else, really."

I understand your point Stanley but don't forget that sometimes it is because of the stats and because of the egos that the units get processed at all and NO units processed = NO science. The systems that process the science can't tell the reason why a unit was processed, the important thing is that it was. Let's not get judgemental here.


I am not sure I agree with your statement. As a scientist, it is my experience that big egos make for VERY sloppy science. However, one of the beauties of living in a free society is our right to disagree with each other. Age old wisdom says that opinions are like assholes...everyone has one.



But Stanley it's not the people with the egos processing the units - it's their computers and they care not a jot for the egos of their owners - they just process.
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