dear matt, you are obviouly a very friendly person.

you are participating in seti. so you are donating financialy. unless you get your computer(s) for free and get your internet connection for free you are simply paying and therefore donating. well even your electricity should be for free.

i donate to seti, i want to do this. if there are problems i can understand that. if i am not getting info about this i make my complaints. if seti problems get me in to problems with other projects i complain even more. but not only here.

bas

gotcha man

no hard feelings :)

-matt

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- Benjamin Franklin,
Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759.

dear matt, you are obviouly a very friendly person.

you are participating in seti. so you are donating financialy. unless you get your computer(s) for free and get your internet connection for free you are simply paying and therefore donating. well even your electricity should be for free.

i donate to seti, i want to do this. if there are problems i can understand that. if i am not getting info about this i make my complaints. if seti problems get me in to problems with other projects i complain even more. but not only here.

bas

Actually, you aren't supposed to "donate financially" as you put it.

BOINC is supposed to utilize what would otherwise be "waste" -- clock cycles on idle computers sitting on desktops, extra processor cycles on servers that are just not very busy. We aren't being asked to "make" clock cycles for SETI or any other BOINC project.

If you are, that's wonderful, but no one asked.

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dear matt, you are obviouly a very friendly person.

you are participating in seti. so you are donating financialy. unless you get your computer(s) for free and get your internet connection for free you are simply paying and therefore donating. well even your electricity should be for free.

i donate to seti, i want to do this. if there are problems i can understand that. if i am not getting info about this i make my complaints. if seti problems get me in to problems with other projects i complain even more. but not only here.

bas

Actually, you aren't supposed to "donate financially" as you put it.

BOINC is supposed to utilize what would otherwise be "waste" -- clock cycles on idle computers sitting on desktops, extra processor cycles on servers that are just not very busy. We aren't being asked to "make" clock cycles for SETI or any other BOINC project.

If you are, that's wonderful, but no one asked.

wrong. i run the software, i donate.

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wrong. i run the software, i donate.

Okay, let me try again.

If you have a computer that you use, and it's on 16 hours a day, and you use it five or six hours, then it's idle for 10 hours a day.

If you run BOINC, then you are donating those five idle hours -- time that you would have paid for anyway.

This is what SETI asks for -- time that would have been wasted.

That's what I do. My contribution costs me nothing because I don't make extra clock cycles just for SETI.

I run the software, I donate, but it costs me nothing to do so.

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I run the software, I donate, but it costs me nothing to do so.

I agree. Its not like i am paying for the internet to do SETI, do you? I leave my computer on all day anyways, so i might as well get something useful done while it sits. I dont see myself as donating financially... i didnt buy my computer to do SETI.

So my questions to bass4seti are...
1. Did you buy your computer for the purpose of running SETI?
2. Do you have an internet connection for the purpose of running SETI?
3. Do you leave your computer on longer than you normally would so you can run SETI?
4. Do you think you complaining or bringing this stuff up is gonna get someone to fix things faster? because i'm pretty sure they are trying as hard as they can.

Sorry if i seemed mean, but i'm tired and cranky but felt i needed to say something. Keep on crunchin' every WU completed counts, donated or whatever you want to call it.

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I run the software, I donate, but it costs me nothing to do so.

I agree. Its not like i am paying for the internet to do SETI, do you? I leave my computer on all day anyways, so i might as well get something useful done while it sits. I dont see myself as donating financially... i didnt buy my computer to do SETI.

I turn my machine off when I finish for the day -- near midnight, usually.

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I turn my machine off when I finish for the day -- near midnight, usually.

Off? Off? do you have some fancy puter with an "Off" button? I don't think mine have one of those. Maybe you got an upgrade model with all the options. LOL

I turn my machine off when I finish for the day -- near midnight, usually.

Off? Off? do you have some fancy puter with an "Off" button? I don't think mine have one of those. Maybe you got an upgrade model with all the options. LOL

dear users and donators, it seems they are both here.

i dropped my time to seti again.
i apologize for the inconvenience.

also i stopped new work from getting in. you can have all the wu's for yourself. must be pleasing.

but then again it might be smart if everyone did this. once all the results are uploaded then a true new start would be possible.

for me there is room for seti work when the problems are solved.

i am not going to answer every question about my motives why i donate time to seti. i have done so for 5 years. if you want to question that you are on your own.

just one thing, seti ask only for spare cycles, which is true.
the computers this happens on are paid for by donators, the electricity they run on is paid for by donators. the harddisk in our systems will degrade faster running seti which we paid for.

so do not tell me i do not pay or donate to seti because i simply do.

but, just for fun, let us not look at this my way but the commercial or even the american way. seti is run by an american university so why not.
my system costs say 1000 dollars, it came with a parasol, therefore the price difference. i use this for 40% when it is on. this means 60% of the workpower goes to seti. if i use this machine for only one year i would donate 600 dollars to seti.

now i very well know not everyone buys a cpu with a parasol.
i also know that everyone who is donating to seti on privately owned cpu's running on their own power bill are just in fact donating.

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I turn my machine off when I finish for the day -- near midnight, usually.

Off? Off? do you have some fancy puter with an "Off" button? I don't think mine have one of those. Maybe you got an upgrade model with all the options. LOL

"OFF SWITCH", Long cord on back of puter that is pulled only after catistrophic system failure. ;-}

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I Desire Peace and Justice, Jim Scott (Mod-Ret.)

I keep hearing a saying that my parents keep telling me as a boy "Patience is a virtue." How would you cope with a few hundred thosand people saying to you, take this and give me more.

I think you would fold under the pressure.


Patience is a virtue

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can it really be considered donating anyways? Afterall we do get paid in relatively meaningless credit, but yet it still is something. Just a thought. Oh and im glad you donate that 600 dollars of cpu time you would otherwise have wasted apparently...and by you not answering those simple yes or no questions, i'm assuming the answer is no to them...i like to assume things like that when people refuse to answer. So i still dont see how you donate financially :-P i see no evidence of it. But i guess this is all opinion based, so you have a right to your opinion just as much as i have a right to mine. So this is my last post on the subject because its kinda pointless, we both are SETI crunchers.

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I keep hearing a saying that my parents keep telling me as a boy "Patience is a virtue." How would you cope with a few hundred thosand people saying to you, take this and give me more.

I think you would fold under the pressure.

Patience is a virtue

ok andrew, you are making this very personal, i thought message boards where open for discussion. debating is also a virtue, as is being critical.

your parents are obviously smart people. i hope they also learned you patience is not the only virtue.

btw, you do not know me so there is no way for you to know under what kind of pressure i fold.

forgivingness is also a virtue, i will except your apology.

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Please avoid flames if possible.

Please avoid flames if possible.

Could you possibly check my help thread and see if you have any ideas?
Please? ;-}

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Please avoid flames if possible.

A warning from Admin in the NC no less. Interesting.

Janus, if possible please remove +/- ratings. Or at the very least the negative ones. :)

Please avoid flames if possible.

A warning from Admin in the NC no less. Interesting.

Janus, if possible please remove +/- ratings. Or at the very least the negative ones. :)

Strange YES , But I Think I need ADMIN help. HA! >:-}

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ok andrew, you are making this very personal, i thought message boards where open for discussion. debating is also a virtue, as is being critical.

your parents are obviously smart people. i hope they also learned you patience is not the only virtue.

btw, you do not know me so there is no way for you to know under what kind of pressure i fold.

forgivingness is also a virtue, i will except your apology.
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You need no apology given to you as I was not taking a shot at you, it was a comment to every donator of CPU time to Seti@Home to give the servers time to cope with the demand as every computer that is activly crunching WU's will need to connect bucause of the lenght of time the project has been offline.

@ bass4seti directly, No you are right I do know you for a bar of soap, but I'll tell you this a single person's brain can not process what is being said by 15 - 20 people in the same 10sec block of time (Learnt this the hard way and cost the owner of the boat a lot of money, he was one of the 15 - 20 people)now make the fiqures the same as what the seti servers had to cope with, you would have gone insane.

You make a valid point about the lack of news from the admins and I am not going to fully defend them on your point but there is only so much a few full time staff tht are not always working from the office can do, but you are right, we do need more regular news or info when the admins chose to make the project take a major pause like thay did.

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ok andrew, you are making this very personal, i thought message boards where open for discussion. debating is also a virtue, as is being critical.

your parents are obviously smart people. i hope they also learned you patience is not the only virtue.

btw, you do not know me so there is no way for you to know under what kind of pressure i fold.

forgivingness is also a virtue, i will except your apology.

You need no apology given to you as I was not taking a shot at you, it was a comment to every donator of CPU time to Seti@Home to give the servers time to cope with the demand as every computer that is activly crunching WU's will need to connect bucause of the lenght of time the project has been offline.

@ bass4seti directly, No you are right I do know you for a bar of soap, but I'll tell you this a single person's brain can not process what is being said by 15 - 20 people in the same 10sec block of time (Learnt this the hard way and cost the owner of the boat a lot of money, he was one of the 15 - 20 people)now make the fiqures the same as what the seti servers had to cope with, you would have gone insane.

You make a valid point about the lack of news from the admins and I am not going to fully defend them on your point but there is only so much a few full time staff tht are not always working from the office can do, but you are right, we do need more regular news or info when the admins chose to make the project take a major pause like thay did.[/quote]


andrew i learn from this as well.
i see flame warnings.
don't no why. if it is because of me i leave this space for you.
it might be because i am very critical about seti.

what i do see is that everyone with any critisism gets jumped by believers.
in my opinion a message board is a place for debate. but obviously not this one.

maybe i should start a boinc donator union?

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