i can turn my seti classic on and off without causing windwos errors.
boinc is unable to do this on my win98 machines it almost always causes windows errors when i shut boinc down
im not asking for advice on how to fix this
because its not my problem its boinc's

mabye im just here to vent about how "well" the boinc application works

one would think that with open source that it wouldent be so hard to resolve these issues but
mabye the issue shutting boinc down does not bother the seti staff because it still does their work?

ohh heres a idea also mabye make boinc open source for non profit org only.
why should the businesses that are going to exploit the boinc software for monetary gain be allowed to use it for free??

theres about 20 kmore things i can find wrong with boinc atm but to save my own aggression i wont go into it

> i can turn my seti classic on and off without causing windwos errors.
> boinc is unable to do this on my win98 machines it almost always causes
> windows errors when i shut boinc down
> im not asking for advice on how to fix this
> because its not my problem its boinc's
>
> mabye im just here to vent about how "well" the boinc application works
>
> one would think that with open source that it wouldent be so hard to resolve
> these issues but
> mabye the issue shutting boinc down does not bother the seti staff because it
> still does their work?
>
> ohh heres a idea also mabye make boinc open source for non profit org only.
> why should the businesses that are going to exploit the boinc software for
> monetary gain be allowed to use it for free??
>
> theres about 20 kmore things i can find wrong with boinc atm but to save my
> own aggression i wont go into it
>
95 and 98 machines are becomming a bit rare, and nobody at Berkeley has one. The only one that one of the alpha testers had died a few weeks ago. If you want to take a crack at fixing the code, be welcome, it is after all open source.

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>95 and 98 machines are becomming a bit rare, and nobody at Berkeley has one. >The only one that one of the alpha testers had died a few weeks ago

he must have been running boinc also :)

no i dont care to fix it if it were linux mabye but windows nope

but i can say that lots of seti farmers are using win98 still and with the upcoming transition to boinc this wont be the last time we hear about this im sure.. how hard is it to get a 98 machine at berkeley? cmon i freaking mail them my harddrive

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> >95 and 98 machines are becomming a bit rare, and nobody at Berkeley has
> one. >The only one that one of the alpha testers had died a few weeks ago
>
> he must have been running boinc also :)
>
> no i dont care to fix it if it were linux mabye but windows nope
>
> but i can say that lots of seti farmers are using win98 still and with the
> upcoming transition to boinc this wont be the last time we hear about this im
> sure.. how hard is it to get a 98 machine at berkeley? cmon i freaking mail
> them my harddrive
>
>


No one wants to stay that far back in history, 3 P4, 3.0s. All runing WinXP.

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Semper Eadem
So long Paul, it has been a hell of a ride.

Park your ego's, fire up the computers, Science YES, Credits No.

I remember when I first installed the CLI version of Classic it did the same thing...and I had to download a file called default.pif and throw it in the windows directory. BOINC4.25 also seems to need this file.The file can be found here http://members.home.nl/marcel.zuiderveld/. Scroll down to the bottom of the page.

Don

> i can turn my seti classic on and off without causing windwos errors.
> boinc is unable to do this on my win98 machines it almost always causes
> windows errors when i shut boinc down
> im not asking for advice on how to fix this
> because its not my problem its boinc's
>
> mabye im just here to vent about how "well" the boinc application works
>
> one would think that with open source that it wouldent be so hard to resolve
> these issues but
> mabye the issue shutting boinc down does not bother the seti staff because it
> still does their work?
>
> ohh heres a idea also mabye make boinc open source for non profit org only.
> why should the businesses that are going to exploit the boinc software for
> monetary gain be allowed to use it for free??
>
> theres about 20 kmore things i can find wrong with boinc atm but to save my
> own aggression i wont go into it
>

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>No one wants to stay that far back in history, 3 P4, 3.0s. All runing WinXP.

ok im glad you like to pretend were all as rich as you are
ohh i forgot to mention your so cool wow you got 3 identical pcs all running xp Dell must be rich now huh? hows the onboard sound and vid treating you :P
Measured floating point speed 1311.27 million ops/sec
Measured integer speed 1627.45 million ops/sec this is your p4 3.0 benchmark

Measured floating point speed 1280.84 million ops/sec
Measured integer speed 2141.53 million ops/sec this is my duron 1400 mhz benchmark yes im using 4.25

let me just go out and buy 6 amd fx55's and yeah ill run a better os but it sure as hell wont be winxp

im running win2k on my faster pc's
98 se on my slower ones along with linux
xp is crap imo bloatware at it best yeah yeah you can remove it sure....

my farm is
duron 1400 4 hr per wu classic
athlon 1100 6 hour wu classic
duron 1040 6 hour wu classic
k62 500 20 hour wu classic
athlon 500 10 hour wu classic
ppro dual cpu 233 24hour wu classic per cpu 2 per day
all this is stuff i had laying around not being used
i maybe spent like 200 dollars getting it all together
most of the stuff was not being used anyway it was just collecting dust


thanks Daz i will give that pif a try :)

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> 95 and 98 machines are becomming a bit rare, and nobody at Berkeley has one.
> The only one that one of the alpha testers had died a few weeks ago. If you
> want to take a crack at fixing the code, be welcome, it is after all open
> source.

I can test under Win95 and Win98 (VMWare is pretty cool).

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yeah if the setiboinc project needs alpha testors for 98 i would be willing to also

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Why do people, especially Newbies, consistantly want SETI to step back in time just to accommodate their 20th century technology? Why can't they just join the rest of us and SETI in the 21st century and crunch in a happy manner? >:-/

L8R....

T'Khasi Time: Sunday, 20 March 2005 - 09:32 PM --800 (Pacific Standard Time)

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CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\//
Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

> yeah if the setiboinc project needs alpha testors for 98 i would be willing to
> also
>

Oh, by the way, the bugs are in your Win98 OS, not BOINC. I'd look there first.

L8R....

T'Khasi Time: Sunday, 20 March 2005 - 09:34 PM --800 (Pacific Standard Time)

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CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\//
Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

> Why do people, especially Newbies, consistantly want SETI to step back in time
> just to accommodate their 20th century technology? Why can't they just join
> the rest of us and SETI in the 21st century and crunch in a happy manner?
> >:-/

I don't have any hardware dedicated to running Win9x, but I do have to support some applications that some would consider antique.

... and maybe the folks at Berkeley should see if they can get a couple of copies of VMware workstation.

On this machine I have Win95, Win98, Win2K, XP, two different flavours of DOS (yes, DOS) and FreeBSD UNIX -- and maybe NT server tucked away somewhere as well.

... and I can run them all at the same time.

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> i can turn my seti classic on and off without causing windwos errors.
> boinc is unable to do this on my win98 machines it almost always causes
> windows errors when i shut boinc down
> im not asking for advice on how to fix this
> because its not my problem its boinc's
>
> mabye im just here to vent about how "well" the boinc application works

Jake
I'm running Boinc/Seti on about 48 machines with Win98SE and have no problems turning off Boinc. I just click on File, then Exit and it shuts down with no errors. If you are running Win98 "A", I suggest that you upgrade to SE (Second Edition) or something else that's newer.

Mike

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Seti Classic: 204,777 WU /113.636 Yrs

You would have thought that Lady Jane Gray would have realised there are thousands of Win 98 user out here and if shutting down had been a problem it would have been reported before.......

one 98 not working,
lots of 98 working,

conclusion..........?

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> ... and maybe the folks at Berkeley should see if they can get a couple of
> copies of VMware workstation.
>
> On this machine I have Win95, Win98, Win2K, XP, two different flavours of DOS
> (yes, DOS) and FreeBSD UNIX -- and maybe NT server tucked away somewhere as
> well.
>
> ... and I can run them all at the same time.
>

VMware is awsome :) but that brings up a question.

With VMware can you run a copy of Boinc in your base OS ie:XP and one in a client OS ie:2K at the same time? and have them both doing WU's and reporting them?

I really need to get this home office organised so i can find something, looking for my copies of VMware and finding other stuff i have been looking for :) arghh frustrating :P

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> i can turn my seti classic on and off without causing windwos errors.
> boinc is unable to do this on my win98 machines it almost always causes
> windows errors when i shut boinc down
> im not asking for advice on how to fix this
> because its not my problem its boinc's
>

I ran Boinc on Win98SE for about 2 months before i changes that box's OS to Linux.

It worked well, and did plenty of crunching - just look under my stats at "fileserv.domain.actdsltmp"
I even had BOINC running on an old Win95 box (compaq.domain.actdsltmp), but shut it down because it was consuming a lot of power and missing deadlines (200MHZ CPU doesn't do too wonderfully when its paired with bad RAM).

> mabye im just here to vent about how "well" the boinc application works
>

Go ahead.

> one would think that with open source that it wouldent be so hard to resolve
> these issues but
> mabye the issue shutting boinc down does not bother the seti staff because it
> still does their work?
>

BOINC is not necissarily programmed and maintained by the administrators and staff at SETI@Home.

> ohh heres a idea also mabye make boinc open source for non profit org only.
> why should the businesses that are going to exploit the boinc software for
> monetary gain be allowed to use it for free??
>

Why not charge businesses for Linux, too?

> theres about 20 kmore things i can find wrong with boinc atm but to save my
> own aggression i wont go into it
>

I have plenty of gripes about BOINC as well, but if I find them too irksome, I can just remove the program from my machines. Most of them have to do with the GUI, which can be replaced (BOINCView, anyone?).

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> >No one wants to stay that far back in history, 3 P4, 3.0s. All runing
> WinXP.
>
> ok im glad you like to pretend were all as rich as you are
> ohh i forgot to mention your so cool wow you got 3 identical pcs all running
> xp Dell must be rich now huh? hows the onboard sound and vid treating you :P
> Measured floating point speed 1311.27 million ops/sec
> Measured integer speed 1627.45 million ops/sec this is your p4 3.0
> benchmark
>
> Measured floating point speed 1280.84 million ops/sec
> Measured integer speed 2141.53 million ops/sec this is my duron 1400 mhz
> benchmark yes im using 4.25
>
> let me just go out and buy 6 amd fx55's and yeah ill run a better os but it
> sure as hell wont be winxp
>
> im running win2k on my faster pc's
> 98 se on my slower ones along with linux
> xp is crap imo bloatware at it best yeah yeah you can remove it sure....
>
> my farm is
> duron 1400 4 hr per wu classic
> athlon 1100 6 hour wu classic
> duron 1040 6 hour wu classic
> k62 500 20 hour wu classic
> athlon 500 10 hour wu classic
> ppro dual cpu 233 24hour wu classic per cpu 2 per day
> all this is stuff i had laying around not being used
> i maybe spent like 200 dollars getting it all together
> most of the stuff was not being used anyway it was just collecting dust
>
>
> thanks Daz i will give that pif a try :)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


Nope just have 2 dells, my oldest is the last one I put together, oh and it runns the slowest hehehehehehehe

Runs a Seti@H WUWU anywhere fron 2.5 to 3.5 hrs HT, OH thats 6 wuwus

Not rich but am retired on a modest income......

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Semper Eadem
So long Paul, it has been a hell of a ride.

Park your ego's, fire up the computers, Science YES, Credits No.

> VMware is awsome :) but that brings up a question.
>
> With VMware can you run a copy of Boinc in your base OS ie:XP and one in a
> client OS ie:2K at the same time? and have them both doing WU's and reporting
> them?

You can, but I doubt that there would be any real advantage -- you'd crunch two work units at the same time, but you'd be dividing clock cycles between the host and the guest machines.

Plus the overhead.

But, if BOINC needs testing, this is a superb tool.

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> You would have thought that Lady Jane Gray would have realised there are
> thousands of Win 98 user out here and if shutting down had been a problem it
> would have been reported before.......
>
> one 98 not working,
> lots of 98 working,
>
> conclusion..........?
>

99% of problems are USER related. Mostly NOOBs that go about yelling and complaining instead of finding out how to fix the problem. And the problems IS their PC is screwed or their OS is corrupted (98% of the time). Any heavy user know how weak Win98 was and how easy it was for it to get corrupted. Not to add to the fact that there have been no new security patches or OS updates to Win98 for a long time.

The other 1% of the problems wasn't really a problem, just misreported.....

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> 99% of problems are USER related. Mostly NOOBs that go about yelling and
> complaining instead of finding out how to fix the problem.

Noobs initiation rites. Frustration --> Speaking Out Of Turn --> Public Hangings.. ;)

> Any heavy user
> know how weak Win98 was and how easy it was for it to get corrupted. Not to
> add to the fact that there have been no new security patches or OS updates to
> Win98 for a long time.

This might help some Win98se people:

UNOFFICIAL Windows98 Second Edition Service Pack 1.6.2

cRunchy

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