> Cochise,
>
> It was the ad nauseum part I was trying to sidestep!
>
> Much appreciated
>

Okay, here it is then. We went to the moon.

Otherwise, we wouldn't, couldn't know about as much as we do about those other things or those other things wouldn't have happened or we wouldn't be where we are now in relation to those things. The actual proof is in the ad nauseum.

Proof of something that you yourself did not actually experience always requires effort.

Do you believe in god?

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hmm...

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Hello Kio,
Welcome to SETI. Happy crunching.
I welcome your original post, which seemed thoughtfully worded, noncrackpotish, and seemed designed to engender lively discussion, devil's-advocate style.
When I read your post, I noted in me a certain irritation with the hoax question because, a)I've been reading science fiction since my childhood and I WANT to believe mankind took the giant step to the moon, b)The evidence for the hoax theory has been thoroughly examined and found to be suitable for enriching lawns, and c)The folks who promulgate the hoax idea seem absolutely convinced they have a laser-guided line on the Truth, such that they are never apparently in search of discussion, but rather seem content to sling hogwash at relativistic speeds. As an aside, I've often wished they would aim the hogwash beams at the ground so that Newton's Third Law of Motion would take them where they're convinced no man has gone before.
For what it's worth, I admire your non-combative rejoinders to the somewhat flaming responses of some of our older members.
Again, welcome.
Robert

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Mr. Sullivan,

There was one post to which I responded with a bit less... hmm... decorum, but I edited it out after I read your post. Thank you for reminding me of why I posted.

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> For what it's worth, I admire your non-combative rejoinders to the somewhat
> flaming responses of some of our older members.
> Again, welcome.
> Robert

Dr. Bob!
What "flaming responses" did you read? You've been around long enough to have seen some real flames on these boards. I would characterize the tone of the posts here as, more like, resigned disbelief. I'm glad Kio himself isn't so sensitive.

Right, sorry, I'm with the People Front For Liberation Of Downtrodden Moon Hoax Quasi-Believers. So you must mean some other Moon Hoax Type Person.

That was humor.

Anyway, I posted a few questions/observations looking for answers and engaged in a little topical debate. I was simply looking for some answers or insight and I received both from some very nice and knowledgeable people here. In the mean time I went downstairs to my kitchen, made a Tuna sandwich for lunch (I love Tuna sandwiches) and baked a cake after lunch (chocolate supermoist). So, I'm not really evil incarnate, unless of course that entails the eating of Tuna Sandwiches and Baking of Supermoist Chocolate Cakes, not that I'm saying I would deny such a truth should I be shown otherwise but the plausiblilty does seem sketchy at best. Where were we? Ah yes, Dogs, especially large breeds can be quite flatulent under certain circumstances. My advice, keep a regularly timed feeding regimine and stay away from the specialty or "gormet" pet foods. The specialty pet foods sometimes contain flavor and odor enhancers which although they make handling the pet food and even the occasional covert nibble more palatable to the owner they do little for the animal. Best advice, keep it simple and regular, and your pet will stay likewise.

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> hmm...
>

What tune is that? or is that a yummy sound?

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Actually, that was the filler after I deleted the aforementioned (I so rarely get to the word aforementioned that I couldn't help myself) not so warm and fuzzy post.

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> Reminds me of a movie I saw long ago where the Gov'mint spoofed the world into
> thinking we landed on the moon when all they had was a stage out back made up
> to look like the moon. The astonauts knew nothing about it until they were
> brought back from the launch vehicle. O.J. Simpson was in it. I don't
> remember the title of the movie.
>
(Edit)
> L8R....
>
> T'Khasi Time: Saturday, 26 February 2005 - 08:28 AM --800 (Pacific Standard
> Time)

Rick, the name of the movie was Capricorn One, it also starred James Brolin, Elliot Gould, Sam Waterston & Telly Savalas, from 1978.

Willie

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> Actually, that was the filler after I deleted the aforementioned (I so rarely
> get to the word aforementioned that I couldn't help myself) not so warm and
> fuzzy post.

as a result of something I said?? that is interesting...

...perhaps you could paraphrase your initial response in more acceptable prose?

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Nope. Gone, done, missed it. All is well.


Thanks

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> > Actually, that was the filler after I deleted the aforementioned (I so
> rarely
> > get to the word aforementioned that I couldn't help myself) not so warm
> and
> > fuzzy post.
> >
>
> Kio, if you look out on the right of a post you'll see a [Reply to this
> post]link. If you use this instead of the "Reply to this thread" at the
> bottom, then we can see, which post you are replying to.
>


ahhhh.... and see, I was cutting, pasting, and putting the ">" in myself. Ouch. See how it is being the new guy =)

Thanks

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> > > Actually, that was the filler after I deleted the aforementioned (I
> so
> > rarely
> > > get to the word aforementioned that I couldn't help myself) not so
> warm
> > and
> > > fuzzy post.
> > >
> >
> > Kio, if you look out on the right of a post you'll see a [Reply to this
> > post]link. If you use this instead of the "Reply to this thread" at the
> > bottom, then we can see, which post you are replying to.
> >
>
>
> ahhhh.... and see, I was cutting, pasting, and putting the ">" in myself.
> Ouch. See how it is being the new guy =)
>
> Thanks
>


Kio, you are funny. Welcome to the boards.

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> > For what it's worth, I admire your non-combative rejoinders to the
> somewhat
> > flaming responses of some of our older members.
> > Again, welcome.
> > Robert
>
> Dr. Bob!
> What "flaming responses" did you read? You've been around long enough to have
> seen some real flames on these boards. I would characterize the tone of the
> posts here as, more like, resigned disbelief. I'm glad Kio himself isn't so
> sensitive.
>

Hi Tom,
I used to think I was sensitive. But maybe I'm just touchy. :->
But in the spirit of answering your question, Tom, here are a few examples of remarks that seem to be directed, flamishly, at our new friend. As you say, they are mild in comparison to the acetylene-enriched attacks found elsewhere.

1) "Anybody who thinks we didn't go to the moon is a total moron. Moon hoax believers should be rounded up and put in camps."
2) "So, you are so fixated on this 'conspiracy theory' that you are unwilling to hear from anyone that is in a possible position to refute it?"
3) "Kio, Do you belong to the Flat Earth Society too!!"
4) "Another one? Why do people join the SETI@home project, then immediately come to these message boards to post whatever rubbish leaks out of their head?"

Call me sensitive, or call me allergic to what has several times happened before on these forum message boards. There were times when a gas mask was necessary just to click on a thread. Finally, Dogbytes wisely initiated a trend of ignoring the knuckleheads ("The Shunning"), which ushered in better times here. And not that I am any kind of conscience or watchdog herein, but I just wanted the new guy to hear something sincerely encouraging as counterpoint to what I perceived as the SOMEWHAT flaming reception he got.
Just my two cents, Tom.
Robert

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> hmm...
>

Hmmm... Thinking about that "strumpet" comment in another thread.

BOTY 2005,
Dominique

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> BOTY 2005,
> Dominique

Just plonk him. You'll feel better. :)

You're lazy Kio...

Heres a good site that refutes the conspiracy theory.

CLAVIUS.ORG

Thanks for keeping this place interesting and don't be too thinned skinned.

Posting "we didn't go to the moon" on a website devoted to science and space exploration is like posting "jesus, was a fake" on a website devoted to christianity. You're going to get some barbs thrown your way and I think that's a reasonable and healthy thing too.

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> You're lazy Kio...
>
> Heres a good site that refutes the conspiracy theory.
>
> CLAVIUS.ORG
>
> Thanks for keeping this place interesting and don't be too thinned skinned.
>
> Posting "we didn't go to the moon" on a website devoted to science and space
> exploration is like posting "jesus, was a fake" on a website devoted to
> christianity. You're going to get some barbs thrown your way and I think
> that's a reasonable and healthy thing too.
>

LOL - Take some of that.....

> LOL - Take some of that.....
>
Somebody make a monkey out of you?