> > I agree inorder for flowers to grow they need to be watered not yanked
> out.
>
> Sheesh! That's what I was gonna say. Honest. ;)
>
Right.....I believe you!

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Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving
safely in a pretty and well preserved body,
but rather.......

to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out,
and loudly proclaiming , "WOW , What a Ride!"

> > I agree inorder for flowers to grow they need to be watered not yanked
> out.
>
> Sheesh! That's what I was gonna say. Honest. ;)
>
Wow this is scarry......your last message ends with 666......look out everybody ;)

> > > I agree inorder for flowers to grow they need to be watered not
> yanked
> > out.
> >
> > Sheesh! That's what I was gonna say. Honest. ;)
> >
> Wow this is scarry......your last message ends with 666......look out
> everybody ;)
>
Hummm my new avatar looks like crap....better get a different one!

> > I can see that I've arrived at a bad time and will have to establish
> some
> > history to keep from being 'shunned' out of hand.
> >
> > Casuistry was not the reaction I was looking for.
> >
>
> Hi Paul, I am sorry you have been greated with some negative responces.
>
> You are welcome here, Lately there has been some difficulties with
> posters trying to create discourse and promote thier own agenda
> with out reguard to the commnity at large. Maybe once your stats come
> in and showned you actually have computers, Things will improve.
>
> I would not try to understand every post in this group at this time.
>
> I would be glad to try and answer any questions you may have.
>
> Again My apoligies to you Sir!
>

Hey Tim, no computer, no crunch time....

L8R....

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Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

@ the Queen and tioat:

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"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

> @ Paul Zimmerman, the Queen and tioat:
>
Hello Rick,
with a little bit of research on your side before launching any accusations, you would have found (as i have) that they are classic s@h participants, who have just come here. (same name, different profiles).
And, if you have even looked at their former posts (at least Queen and tioat[whose behaviour towards Mr.HR i really don' get]), they had problems or so with boinc. I don't look that thread up again, do it yourself:-)
So, please give 'em a bit time before start shouting!

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Gruesse vom Saenger

For questions about Boinc look in the BOINC-Wiki

> > @ the Queen and tioat:
> >
> Hello Rick,
> with a little bit of research on your side before launching any accusations,
> you would have found (as i have) that they are classic s@h participants, who
> have just come here. (same name, different profiles).
> And, if you have even looked at their former posts (at least Queen and
> tioat[whose behaviour towards Mr.HR i really don' get]), they had problems or
> so with boinc. I don't look that thread up again, do it yourself:-)
> So, please give 'em a bit time before start shouting!
>

Please explain to me what accusations I have launched with the exception of telling Tim that Paul has no computer listed [addendum: or hidden] or any crunch time. Also, please explain to me where I have shouted. <B>THIS IS SHOUTING</B>, not this.

Have you not seen that certain people out here have a habit of creating multiple accounts to try to keep their "real" identity hidden from the rest of us? Timmy/Captain Avatar is the exception here. Tim created Captain Avatar, not to crunch WUs, but to extend a FREE service to users here.

So, please pardon my suspicious nature.

My Time: Saturday, 15 January 2005 - 09:35 AM --800 (Pacific Standard Time)

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CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\//
Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

> Please explain to me what accusations I have launched with the
> exception of telling Tim that Paul has no computer listed [addendum: or
> hidden] or any crunch time. Also, please explain to me where I have
> shouted. <B>THIS IS SHOUTING[/b], not this.

You called them (potentias) trolls, ok it was not <B>SHOUTING[/b], but imho also nut fine.

> Have you not seen that certain people out here have a habit of creating
> multiple accounts to try to keep their "real" identity hidden from the rest of
> us?

i have. but suspecting every newbie as a troll, just because (s)he hasnt put up a running puter before having fun at the cafe is imho a bit over the top.

> Timmy/Captain Avatar is the exception here. Tim created
> Captain Avatar, not to crunch WUs, but to extend a FREE service to
> users here.

i still havnt figured out, why this is necessary.

> So, please pardon my suspicious nature.

just dont get in a conspiracy theory mood;-)

Edit: btw, here's the post: http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=7989#64351

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Gruesse vom Saenger

For questions about Boinc look in the BOINC-Wiki

Siran, I thank you for your protection
but it is not needed in this case. I
Already determined mr Zimmerman as a
Friend. He is known. I do suspect new
posters and their motives because of the past events
which is sad to say.


Again, Mr. Zimmerman I am sorry.
Sanger. Thanks.I am sorry

Siran, Of course I love ya man. But dont lump
Mr. Zimmerman in with the trolls.


Respectfully,

Timmy

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> > Please explain to me what accusations I have launched with
> the
> > exception of telling Tim that Paul has no computer listed [addendum:
> or
> > hidden] or any crunch time. Also, please explain to me where I have
> > shouted. <B>THIS IS SHOUTING[/b], not this.
>
> You called them (potentias) trolls, ok it was not <B>SHOUTING[/b], but imho
> also nut fine.

I called no one, anything.... Look very closely at my post, there is a .jpg image there and it does not call anyone anything.

> > Have you not seen that certain people out here have a habit of creating
> > multiple accounts to try to keep their "real" identity hidden from the
> rest of
> > us?
>
> i have. but suspecting every newbie as a troll, just because (s)he hasnt put
> up a running puter before having fun at the cafe is imho a bit over the top.

The ones we have been fighting have done the very same thing, put up accounts without a PC and started spamming the boards.

> > Timmy/Captain Avatar is the exception here. Tim created
> > Captain Avatar, not to crunch WUs, but to extend a FREE service
> to
> > users here.
>
> i still havnt figured out, why this is necessary.

Tim creates avatars for users, free of charge. That is his service to the community here. The only thing he asks is that no one uses an avatar he has created for another user.

> > So, please pardon my suspicious nature.
>
> just dont get in a conspiracy theory mood;-)

Not into conspiracy theories, just suspicious by nature. And, as matter of fact, worked very well at work yesterday.

> Edit: btw, here's the post:
> http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=7989#64351
>

I will check it out and be back....

My Time: Saturday, 15 January 2005 - 10:08 AM --800 (Pacific Standard Time)

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Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

Everybody needs a nap!!!

Come in, sit down, have some coffee and pastry and lets just enjoy the cafe..

No need to get suspicious of anyone until they start to prove otherwise..

I am just glad I made that inappropriate remark about Guido before all this chit hit the fan or else I may be on the troll list too..

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American Spirit BBQ Proudly Serving those that courageously defend freedom.

> Siran, I thank you for your protection
> but it is not needed in this case. I
> Already determined mr Zimmerman as a
> Friend. He is known. I do suspect new
> posters and their motives because of the past events
> which is sad to say.
>
>
> Again, Mr. Zimmerman I am sorry.
> Sanger. Thanks.I am sorry
>
> Siran, Of course I love ya man. But dont lump
> Mr. Zimmerman in with the trolls.
>
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Timmy
>

Timmy, my friend, I was going to reply with Done...., but....

This was part of the original post from Sanger to me:

Hello Rick,
with a little bit of research on your side before launching any accusations, you would have found (as i have) that they are classic s@h participants, who have just come here. (same name, different profiles).

Through my own research, I have found that the 3 in question, do in fact NOT have accounts at "Classic" SETI. And, here's the one exclusive clue that keeps my suspicions alive and well. When someone comes here from "Classic" and creates a BOINC account, the original "Joined Date" is that which was when they joined "Classic", not when they started with BOINC. Look at mine: May 21, 1999 BOINC did not exist in 1999.

So, Timmy, my original suspicions remain intact, sorry my friend. [Maybe group is where we need to be.]

L8R....

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CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\//
Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

>
>
> Everybody needs a nap!!!
>
> Come in, sit down, have some coffee and pastry and lets just enjoy the cafe..
>
>
> No need to get suspicious of anyone until they start to prove otherwise..
>
> I am just glad I made that inappropriate remark about Guido before all this
> chit hit the fan or else I may be on the troll list too..
>

CW, you will never be on my "troll list", my friend. :-)

L8R....

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My Time: Saturday, 15 January 2005 - 10:55 AM --800 (Pacific Standard Time)

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CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\//
Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

There is no info on my account because I have yet to decide if I want to commit to the process.

I'm just technologically literate enough to be paranoid about the security of my machines if I 'link' up.

I was hoping to hear some discussion of the possible pitfalls and other considerations which may arise from 'linking' in.

Before someone tries to be helpful and tell me to go to the FAQ page or something like that, be assured I've tried some of that, only to quickly discover that I know not enough to get what I need to know there.

If anyone could or would take the time to tutor me in some of this, I would appreciate it.

I've always been somewhat awed and fascinated with the Seti project's process and considered becoming a part.

I have no care for credit or fame, I've got processing capacity beyond my needs and I'm willing to share, .....if it doesn't cause trouble that I wouldn't be able to 'control' or 'fix'.

Like I said, I'm just barely technologically literate enough to get myself in trouble now.

thanks, in advance....

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Hi Paul glad to see you back!

As far as security I am sure someone will
expain it better than me, But I can assure you
you Units are safe and secure, I personally hide my puters
but that is my choice. I am not worried about people doing
something malicious, It's a personal thing. Your IP number
only shows in your accout the outside world cannot see them.


I hope this helps! let me know if I don't know then we will
find someone who will! Glad to have you on board!


Timmy
Spelling doesn't count!

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> thanks, in advance....
>

The number crunching program is isolated to your system and only your system. Whatever computer you use connects to the Servers that store the available WU's(Work Units). The download to your system is initated by your system.

Seti@HOME or BOINC will not leave your system open to vicious attacks. Five of the systems I run SETI@HOME on sit behind a Cisco PIX Firewall and I didn't have to punch a hole through that firewall to alloow SETI to work. If you could look at the IP addresses that are assigned to my systems you will see that they are all non-routerable IP's. IP addresses in the 10.x.x.x block are in the Class A private network block. IP addresses in the 192.168.x.x are in the Class C private block.

Being a Network Engineer of decent standing in the Network Community I would not allow those addresses to be shown if I did not make sure that my systems were safe.

One of the systems SETi@HOME runs on is my Web Server and it barely knows it's running..

I hope that answers your question..

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er, ah.....

is it Tim, Timmy or ca?

if you have no preference I'll just go with ca...

thanks, I'm really not prepared at this time to get into the specifics of my concerns, time constraints dictate that my grandson gets some attention....

but when I can block out some time and elucidate my concerns better, I will direct some of them to you and hope to avail myself of your experience here.

thanks for the quick responce.

pz

edit: ....ditto cw

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cw,

most of what you refer to in the tech sense is not understood....

I understand you are trying to relate a security level I should be at ease with and for that I thank you.

the tech stuff..........

I live in alaska, I only have access to a phone modem, (slow at that), I barely know what ISP means let alone understand much about it.

I guess I didn't do a very good job of explaining how much 'hand-holding' I might require, and I really am unable to assign the time right now.

I'll come back when I can spend a little time and hopefully, someone will still have some pity on my lack of savy in the tech dept.

for now thanks to ca and cw

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> There is no info on my account because I have yet to decide if I want to
> commit to the process.
>
> I'm just technologically literate enough to be paranoid about the security of
> my machines if I 'link' up.
>
> I was hoping to hear some discussion of the possible pitfalls and other
> considerations which may arise from 'linking' in.
>
> Before someone tries to be helpful and tell me to go to the FAQ page or
> something like that, be assured I've tried some of that, only to quickly
> discover that I know not enough to get what I need to know there.
>
> If anyone could or would take the time to tutor me in some of this, I would
> appreciate it.
>
> I've always been somewhat awed and fascinated with the Seti project's process
> and considered becoming a part.
>
> I have no care for credit or fame, I've got processing capacity beyond my
> needs and I'm willing to share, .....if it doesn't cause trouble that I
> wouldn't be able to 'control' or 'fix'.
>
> Like I said, I'm just barely technologically literate enough to get myself in
> trouble now.
>
> thanks, in advance....
>

It was mentioned here, earlier today, that you crunched for "Classic" SETI. If this is indeed true, then what would be your problem crunching for BOINC/SETI? You're "linked up" just by being in these message boards.

I'm am not paranoid whatsoever about my PC being "linked up". I have installed security measures which renders it invisible on the Internet.

Tutoring someone, in these message boards, would, in my opinion, be "counter productive". But, just chatting with people here could also be considered counter productive. I doubt that anyone would want to come here just to spend all their time teaching another. People come out here to chat with others and to get help. Oh, by the way, this board is in fact not for the purpose of getting help with BOINC/SETI. The "Questions and Problems" board is the proper place for that.

So, the post to me was in fact false. You have NOT crunched for SETI. My suspicions were quite well founded.

For help, go to the "Questions and Problems" boards....

My Time: Saturday, 15 January 2005 - 06:17 PM --800 (Pacific Standard Time)

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CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\//
Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

> cw,
>
> most of what you refer to in the tech sense is not understood....
>
> I understand you are trying to relate a security level I should be at ease
> with and for that I thank you.
>
> the tech stuff..........
>
> I live in alaska, I only have access to a phone modem, (slow at that), I
> barely know what ISP means let alone understand much about it.
>
> I guess I didn't do a very good job of explaining how much 'hand-holding' I
> might require, and I really am unable to assign the time right now.
>
> I'll come back when I can spend a little time and hopefully, someone will
> still have some pity on my lack of savy in the tech dept.
>
> for now thanks to ca and cw
>
>

Ok in no tech terms -- You arre safe from hackers with SETI@HOME..

ISP = Internet Service Provider :) We'd be here for several years if I taught you how an ISP works hahahahaha

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American Spirit BBQ Proudly Serving those that courageously defend freedom.