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Message 2045377 - Posted: 17 Apr 2020, 12:14:00 UTC
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Oh. China's Wuhan revises corona virus death toll up by 50 percent
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/04/china-wuhan-revises-coronavirus-death-toll-50-percent-200417042241868.html
Wuhan, the central Chinese city where the coronavirus first emerged late last year, revised sharply upwards its death toll from the disease, admitting people died at home and cases were missed as hospitals struggled to cope in the early days of the outbreak.


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Message 2045382 - Posted: 17 Apr 2020, 12:54:07 UTC

Sad state of affairs
To add to the frustration of factory bosses, they say they're getting upsetting calls from NHS hospitals and workers begging for gowns.
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Message 2045404 - Posted: 17 Apr 2020, 14:04:27 UTC

Oh. China's Wuhan revises corona virus death toll up by 50 percent

....when the dust settles, the US Intelligence estimate of 2.9 million deaths in China may be far more accurate than the skeptics claim.........

Why would they purposely supply false low numbers to the World?......

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/revealed-china-stockpiled-2-billion-face-masks-and-25m-medical-items/news-story/5304e5a5080bd4087e4a9be9de210b97
Revealed: China stockpiled 2 billion face masks and 25m medical items

China stockpiled more than 2 billion surgical masks and essential medical supplies, many of them from Australia, in a global panic buy.
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....to buy time and PPE.

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Message 2045409 - Posted: 17 Apr 2020, 14:53:56 UTC - in response to Message 2045404.  
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....when the dust settles, the US Intelligence estimate of 2.9 million deaths in China may be far more accurate than the skeptics claim.........
Hmm. As today 147,512 people in the whole world has died of COVID-19. Reporting from all countries is of course misguiding a lot. But how are the US Intelligence thinking? Makes no sense. Their numbers are wrong by magnitudes. 2.9 million corona cases in China is more likely. The reported number of cases for all countries in the world is now 2,197,174.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
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Message 2045422 - Posted: 17 Apr 2020, 15:36:17 UTC - in response to Message 2045062.  

Inpatient management revolves around the supportive management of the most common complications of severe COVID-19: pneumonia, hypoxemic respiratory failure/ARDS, sepsis and septic shock, cardiomyopathy and arrhythmia, acute kidney injury, and complications from prolonged hospitalization including secondary bacterial infections, thromboembolism, gastrointestinal bleeding, and critical illness polyneuropathy/myopathy.

And the medical "treatments" for the above haven't saved lives?

Are the medial "treatments" for the above given in France's Adult Care Homes?


I haven't seen anything about what specific coronavirus treatments they receive, but I'm fairly sure they don't get oxygen supplementation. And the workers are fighting to even get enough masks, so I wouldn't count on drugs either.
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Message 2045424 - Posted: 17 Apr 2020, 15:38:34 UTC - in response to Message 2045404.  

Why would they purposely supply false low numbers to the World?......
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Message 2045427 - Posted: 17 Apr 2020, 15:48:29 UTC - in response to Message 2045377.  

Oh. China's Wuhan revises corona virus death toll up by 50 percent
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/04/china-wuhan-revises-coronavirus-death-toll-50-percent-200417042241868.html


When will Italy, Spain, France, the UK, the Netherlands, and last but not least the US? And of course all the countries that don't even provide a global number of deaths.
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Message 2045435 - Posted: 17 Apr 2020, 16:29:08 UTC - in response to Message 2045427.  

And of course all the countries that don't even provide a global number of deaths.
Yes. For example Belgium now reports 445 deaths per million but the Netherlands report 202 deaths per million. It's so obvious that the reporting system is failed.
Belgium do report not only people who die in a ICU but the Netherlands don't.
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Message 2045453 - Posted: 17 Apr 2020, 19:48:33 UTC

Well, this should go a long way to...
...dispel conspiracy theories.
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Message 2045461 - Posted: 17 Apr 2020, 21:00:08 UTC - in response to Message 2045453.  

Well, this should go a long way to...
...dispel conspiracy theories.

"The COVID-19 Virus May Have Been in Humans For Years, Study Suggests"


A very good and interesting find, thanks.

And very much more plausible than the various viral conspiracy theories and Trump-isms...


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Message 2045508 - Posted: 18 Apr 2020, 0:59:28 UTC - in response to Message 2045503.  

Therefor?
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Message 2045521 - Posted: 18 Apr 2020, 1:40:35 UTC

Global cases have now passed 2,250,000 reported cases as the U.S. gets ever closer to having a third of those while still setting records (as Trump continues to blame others for his own shortfalls) and Russia has jumped up to 12th spot and is now in a battle with Brazil over who will knock Belgium out of the top 10.

Meanwhile Sweden has been knocked out of the top 20 by Peru and Australia is down to 34th.
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Message 2045549 - Posted: 18 Apr 2020, 5:51:15 UTC

New IHME data April 17.
Sweden https://covid19.healthdata.org/sweden
California https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america/california
Population Sweden, 10,086,188
Population California, 39,512,000 or about 4 times Sweden.
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Projected Number of deaths California, 1,658
Projected Number of deaths Sweden, 5,890 about 3.55 times more than California
Stay at Home Sweden, none
Stay at Home California, March 11

Potential impact of strict stay at home order, 14 times less deaths.

What Sweden chooses to do or not do is their business. I'm just suggesting they shouldn't be let in the USA until July at the earliest unless this projection significantly changes.
Harder to do but necessary is internal restrictions on US state to state travel for the same reason and with the same data and the criteria of 1 case per million for an open border.
Again each state can do as it pleases but I hope they all chose the same criteria, or have enough quick tests available at the border. We don't want this thing to blow up again and we have to do a second wave of closure, that would kill the USA.
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Message 2045581 - Posted: 18 Apr 2020, 10:32:51 UTC - in response to Message 2045549.  
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Maybe the US should include all those people who dies of COVID-19, not only those who dies in hospitals.
https://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&artikel=7453417
Then you can make some projections that will look very different when comparing California Sweden.
Stay at Home Sweden is implemented btw.
"Potential impact of strict stay at home order, 14 times less deaths"?
Where did you get that number from?
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Message 2045584 - Posted: 18 Apr 2020, 11:08:24 UTC - in response to Message 2045581.  
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Maybe the US should include all those people who dies of COVID-19, not only those who dies in hospitals.
https://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&artikel=7453417
Then you can make some projections that will look very different when comparing California Sweden.
Stay at Home Sweden is implemented btw.
"Potential impact of strict stay at home order, 14 times less deaths"?
Where did you get that number from?

California's first case was reported about a week before the first New York case.
California quickly enforced its restrictions, NewYork was slow.
There are 14 times more deaths in New York than California.

But other factors might be responsible. Like how many introduced the coronavirus. While Trump was concentrating on restricting entry from China, which probably reduced the cases on the West Coast, he was blind to the cases coming in from Europe. There were probably six carriers from Europe that arrived in New York. (plus the skiers into Colorado etc.)
Population density and New York relies much more heavily on public transport, with its problems of not much social distancing.
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Message 2045593 - Posted: 18 Apr 2020, 11:56:45 UTC - in response to Message 2045584.  

Even comparing death rates within countries are difficult.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
1. New York 873 deaths per million.
2. New Jersey 432 deaths per million.
3. Connecticut 289 deaths per million.
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California 27 deaths per million.
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Wyoming 3 deaths per million.

US total is 112 deaths per million.
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Message 2045595 - Posted: 18 Apr 2020, 12:33:29 UTC - in response to Message 2045593.  

Even comparing death rates within countries are difficult.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
1. New York 873 deaths per million.
2. New Jersey 432 deaths per million.
3. Connecticut 289 deaths per million.
...
California 27 deaths per million.
...
Wyoming 3 deaths per million.

US total is 112 deaths per million.

I think we should regard each US state as a separate entity, as each state has its own rules for which is a covid-19 death or not.
Some states call it a covid-19 death if the victim has tested positive, others register the primary cause of death which is something else, like a heart attack, even if the heart attack was caused by lack of oxygen due to covid-19 and not even mention covid-19 on the death certificate.
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Message 2045599 - Posted: 18 Apr 2020, 12:55:45 UTC - in response to Message 2045598.  

Even comparing death rates within countries are difficult.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
1. New York 873 deaths per million.
2. New Jersey 432 deaths per million.
3. Connecticut 289 deaths per million.
...
California 27 deaths per million.
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Wyoming 3 deaths per million.
US total is 112 deaths per million.

And difference's with Country's:

Germany 52.5 deaths per million
United States 113.6 per million
Sweden 137.5 per million
Netherlands 200.7 deaths per million
United Kingdom 219.2 deaths per million
France 278.9 deaths per million
Italy 376.4 deaths per million
Spain 429.0 deaths per million

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/coronavirus/

With much of the difference s probably due to when Country's first understood what was happening.

And how well they were prepared and how quickly they acted.

UK performance abysmal.
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Message 2045621 - Posted: 18 Apr 2020, 14:08:32 UTC

According to one study, the response matters very little.......
https://townhall.com/columnists/marinamedvin/2020/04/15/israeli-professor-shows-virus-follows-fixed-pattern-n2566915?fbclid=IwAR3WG75ymF6_y8wAuzJKToD8lIwPgyNSecjsccwJfRK6Vf6kl8EJi3hfu88
Israeli Professor Shows Virus Follows Fixed Pattern
Professor Yitzhak Ben Israel of Tel Aviv University, who also serves on the research and development advisory board for Teva Pharmaceutical Industries, plotted the rates of new coronavirus infections of the U.S., U.K., Sweden, Italy, Israel, Switzerland, France, Germany, and Spain. The numbers told a shocking story: irrespective of whether the country quarantined like Israel, or went about business as usual like Sweden, coronavirus peaked and subsided in the exact same way. In the exact, same, way. His graphs show that all countries experienced seemingly identical coronavirus infection patterns, with the number of infected peaking in the sixth week and rapidly subsiding by the eighth week.


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