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moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
Oh. China's Wuhan revises corona virus death toll up by 50 percent https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/04/china-wuhan-revises-coronavirus-death-toll-50-percent-200417042241868.html Wuhan, the central Chinese city where the coronavirus first emerged late last year, revised sharply upwards its death toll from the disease, admitting people died at home and cases were missed as hospitals struggled to cope in the early days of the outbreak. Employees eating during lunch break at an auto plant in Wuhan. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Sad state of affairs To add to the frustration of factory bosses, they say they're getting upsetting calls from NHS hospitals and workers begging for gowns. |
JaundicedEye Send message Joined: 14 Mar 12 Posts: 5375 Credit: 30,870,693 RAC: 1 |
Oh. China's Wuhan revises corona virus death toll up by 50 percent ....when the dust settles, the US Intelligence estimate of 2.9 million deaths in China may be far more accurate than the skeptics claim......... Why would they purposely supply false low numbers to the World?...... https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/revealed-china-stockpiled-2-billion-face-masks-and-25m-medical-items/news-story/5304e5a5080bd4087e4a9be9de210b97 Revealed: China stockpiled 2 billion face masks and 25m medical items ....to buy time and PPE. "Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)> |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
....when the dust settles, the US Intelligence estimate of 2.9 million deaths in China may be far more accurate than the skeptics claim.........Hmm. As today 147,512 people in the whole world has died of COVID-19. Reporting from all countries is of course misguiding a lot. But how are the US Intelligence thinking? Makes no sense. Their numbers are wrong by magnitudes. 2.9 million corona cases in China is more likely. The reported number of cases for all countries in the world is now 2,197,174. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries |
Alien Seeker Send message Joined: 23 May 99 Posts: 57 Credit: 511,652 RAC: 32 |
Inpatient management revolves around the supportive management of the most common complications of severe COVID-19: pneumonia, hypoxemic respiratory failure/ARDS, sepsis and septic shock, cardiomyopathy and arrhythmia, acute kidney injury, and complications from prolonged hospitalization including secondary bacterial infections, thromboembolism, gastrointestinal bleeding, and critical illness polyneuropathy/myopathy. I haven't seen anything about what specific coronavirus treatments they receive, but I'm fairly sure they don't get oxygen supplementation. And the workers are fighting to even get enough masks, so I wouldn't count on drugs either. Gazing at the skies, hoping for contact... Unlikely, but it would be such a fantastic opportunity to learn. My alternative profile |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30669 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Why would they purposely supply false low numbers to the World?......King Donald? |
Alien Seeker Send message Joined: 23 May 99 Posts: 57 Credit: 511,652 RAC: 32 |
Oh. China's Wuhan revises corona virus death toll up by 50 percent When will Italy, Spain, France, the UK, the Netherlands, and last but not least the US? And of course all the countries that don't even provide a global number of deaths. Gazing at the skies, hoping for contact... Unlikely, but it would be such a fantastic opportunity to learn. My alternative profile |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
And of course all the countries that don't even provide a global number of deaths.Yes. For example Belgium now reports 445 deaths per million but the Netherlands report 202 deaths per million. It's so obvious that the reporting system is failed. Belgium do report not only people who die in a ICU but the Netherlands don't. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Well, this should go a long way to... ...dispel conspiracy theories. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20323 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Well, this should go a long way to... "The COVID-19 Virus May Have Been in Humans For Years, Study Suggests" A very good and interesting find, thanks. And very much more plausible than the various viral conspiracy theories and Trump-isms... Stay safe! Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11361 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
Therefor? |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 34841 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
Global cases have now passed 2,250,000 reported cases as the U.S. gets ever closer to having a third of those while still setting records (as Trump continues to blame others for his own shortfalls) and Russia has jumped up to 12th spot and is now in a battle with Brazil over who will knock Belgium out of the top 10. Meanwhile Sweden has been knocked out of the top 20 by Peru and Australia is down to 34th. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30669 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
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Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30669 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
New IHME data April 17. Sweden https://covid19.healthdata.org/sweden California https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america/california Population Sweden, 10,086,188 Population California, 39,512,000 or about 4 times Sweden. take away Projected Number of deaths California, 1,658 Projected Number of deaths Sweden, 5,890 about 3.55 times more than California Stay at Home Sweden, none Stay at Home California, March 11 Potential impact of strict stay at home order, 14 times less deaths. What Sweden chooses to do or not do is their business. I'm just suggesting they shouldn't be let in the USA until July at the earliest unless this projection significantly changes. Harder to do but necessary is internal restrictions on US state to state travel for the same reason and with the same data and the criteria of 1 case per million for an open border. Again each state can do as it pleases but I hope they all chose the same criteria, or have enough quick tests available at the border. We don't want this thing to blow up again and we have to do a second wave of closure, that would kill the USA. |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
Maybe the US should include all those people who dies of COVID-19, not only those who dies in hospitals. https://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&artikel=7453417 Then you can make some projections that will look very different when comparing California Sweden. Stay at Home Sweden is implemented btw. "Potential impact of strict stay at home order, 14 times less deaths"? Where did you get that number from? |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19072 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Maybe the US should include all those people who dies of COVID-19, not only those who dies in hospitals. California's first case was reported about a week before the first New York case. California quickly enforced its restrictions, NewYork was slow. There are 14 times more deaths in New York than California. But other factors might be responsible. Like how many introduced the coronavirus. While Trump was concentrating on restricting entry from China, which probably reduced the cases on the West Coast, he was blind to the cases coming in from Europe. There were probably six carriers from Europe that arrived in New York. (plus the skiers into Colorado etc.) Population density and New York relies much more heavily on public transport, with its problems of not much social distancing. |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
Even comparing death rates within countries are difficult. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ 1. New York 873 deaths per million. 2. New Jersey 432 deaths per million. 3. Connecticut 289 deaths per million. ... California 27 deaths per million. ... Wyoming 3 deaths per million. US total is 112 deaths per million. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19072 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Even comparing death rates within countries are difficult. I think we should regard each US state as a separate entity, as each state has its own rules for which is a covid-19 death or not. Some states call it a covid-19 death if the victim has tested positive, others register the primary cause of death which is something else, like a heart attack, even if the heart attack was caused by lack of oxygen due to covid-19 and not even mention covid-19 on the death certificate. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19072 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Even comparing death rates within countries are difficult. And how well they were prepared and how quickly they acted. UK performance abysmal. |
JaundicedEye Send message Joined: 14 Mar 12 Posts: 5375 Credit: 30,870,693 RAC: 1 |
According to one study, the response matters very little....... https://townhall.com/columnists/marinamedvin/2020/04/15/israeli-professor-shows-virus-follows-fixed-pattern-n2566915?fbclid=IwAR3WG75ymF6_y8wAuzJKToD8lIwPgyNSecjsccwJfRK6Vf6kl8EJi3hfu88 Israeli Professor Shows Virus Follows Fixed Pattern "Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)> |
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