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Message 1983582 - Posted: 6 Mar 2019, 9:52:09 UTC - in response to Message 1983576.  

And I'm happy with the quality of their products too. I used their motherboard bundles for my original Intel Q6600 quadcore builds in September 2007, and they ran without trouble (plus a succession of GPUs) until knocked out by a power surge about 3 years ago. I replaced them with pre-built CCL i5 computers, and they again have run flawlessly ever since.
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Message 1984078 - Posted: 8 Mar 2019, 8:20:54 UTC

Well I decide to go for it.

Ordered just now, also added a 240Gb Kingston SSD.

Found out I can pick it up locally!! Even stranger, from my local PC World!!

So it is due on Monday.

Will be interested to see how it performs.
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Message 1984370 - Posted: 10 Mar 2019, 9:40:54 UTC
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I got an email yesterday to say that my AMD Ryzen 3 Motherboard Bundle would be delivered to my local PC World today.

Also having had a look at the power supply I had in this case, it is older that I had though and only had a 4 pin ATX 12v plug. So I ordered a Corsair VS550 550 W PSU.

Only ordered it yesterday and it is being delivered today!

This is the same as I have in both my older Dells and they work fine, both have a pair of 750ti's and performed perfectly in the last WOW event. So hopefully a 1060 will be fine.

I haven't built a PC in a long while, my last two were "off the shelf" gaming PC's. So I am quite looking forward to this.
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Message 1984388 - Posted: 10 Mar 2019, 15:37:22 UTC

Well then, here it is up and running.

8683958

A bit unimpressive at the moment with 85 CUDA 60 tasks that are going to take 30 mins each, with the CPU tasks around the same.

The motherboard was a whole set of screw holes smaller that the old one. The SSD made the Ubuntu install even easier.

Learnt something I didn't know, you don't need the MB drivers as Linux does all that for you, never installed Linux on a new machine before.

So I have transformed a rather lacklustre 11 year old HP desktop into a modern Linux cruncher (That I could play games on, if I installed Windows of course)

I will leave it a bit to see how it goes.
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Message 1984396 - Posted: 10 Mar 2019, 16:37:28 UTC - in response to Message 1984388.  

There is a considerable quantity of native Linux games to play without installing WINE or Windows. Windows game support through WINE continues to improve daily with constant announcements of compatible games and new drivers. Don't write off Linux that you can't play games on it.

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=category&item=Linux+Gaming

https://itsfoss.com/free-linux-games/

https://itsfoss.com/steam-play-proton/

Also with Linux you could start processing on that 1060 with the CUDA9 application.

http://www.arkayn.us/lunatics/BOINC.7z
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Message 1984411 - Posted: 10 Mar 2019, 18:05:38 UTC - in response to Message 1984388.  

Well then, here it is up and running.

8683958

A bit unimpressive at the moment with 85 CUDA 60 tasks that are going to take 30 mins each, with the CPU tasks around the same.

I was under the impression a gtx 1060 would average near 7 minutes under Windows/SOG as well as Linux/SOG.

The estimated time column will show a very high estimate to start out with. See how long it takes for one at 99%.

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Message 1984413 - Posted: 10 Mar 2019, 18:10:11 UTC
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Also with Linux you could start processing on that 1060 with the CUDA9 application.


So what exactly would I do with that?

There are on these boards a plethora of threads about how to get the best out of Linux, however they aren't always easy to understand.

Also I had several false starts today simply due to having to use the command line, which I will admit were simple typing errors, but is does slow things down.

I was under the impression a gtx 1060 would average near 7 minutes under Windows/SOG as well as Linux/SOG.

I haven't been sent any SOG yet just 88 cuda 60
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Message 1984416 - Posted: 10 Mar 2019, 18:23:27 UTC

The old CUDA 60 Linux app is slower than the SoG app.
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Message 1984424 - Posted: 10 Mar 2019, 18:47:25 UTC - in response to Message 1984413.  

Also with Linux you could start processing on that 1060 with the CUDA9 application.


So what exactly would I do with that?

There are on these boards a plethora of threads about how to get the best out of Linux, however they aren't always easy to understand.

Also I had several false starts today simply due to having to use the command line, which I will admit were simple typing errors, but is does slow things down.

I was under the impression a gtx 1060 would average near 7 minutes under Windows/SOG as well as Linux/SOG.

I haven't been sent any SOG yet just 88 cuda 60

I was just mentioning that the CUDA 9 applications are the current best performing apps now for Linux and Nvidia cards. As long as the card has CC capability of 5.0 which your 1060 does. I linked TBar's All-in-One package available from Crunchers Anonymous. It is a package containing preconfigured BOINC 7.83 client and manager with all the MB and AP Linux applications provided with the anonymous platform app_info configured to use them automatically.

You have to do a few extra package installations via the command line to add the necessary support for the BOINC installation but the instructions are clear and command line statements provide for just copy and paste into Terminal. You should just unpack the package onto your Desktop and check that boinc client and boincmgr manager files have execute set in each files permissions and then just double click boincmgr and you have BOINC running.

I think honestly, the hardest part you have already done in getting Linux installed. The All-in-One package is pretty easy comparatively IMHO.
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Message 1984426 - Posted: 10 Mar 2019, 18:50:25 UTC

I would suggest to just keep running the stock repository BOINC and apps until you get a baseline with SoG eventually and you get more familiar with Linux. Then you could then try out the CUDA 9 app by removing the stock BOINC installation and installing the All-in-One package and try out the CUDA 9 app for comparison.
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Message 1984428 - Posted: 10 Mar 2019, 19:07:16 UTC - in response to Message 1984426.  

I would suggest to just keep running the stock repository BOINC and apps until you get a baseline with SoG eventually and you get more familiar with Linux. Then you could then try out the CUDA 9 app by removing the stock BOINC installation and installing the All-in-One package and try out the CUDA 9 app for comparison.

Yes that is what I intend to do.
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Message 1984513 - Posted: 11 Mar 2019, 7:04:56 UTC
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Well this is disappointing, after 27 cuda 60 tasks taking between 30 and 40 minutes each, it is till sending me them nothing else!!

How long before I get any SOG tasks?

My old 750ti's manage a task in around 15 minutes on windows in 10 year old Dells, this is a brand new motherboard and newish card so I am currently wasting electricity.

This same card was running tasks in an average 7.5 minutes on Windows

Looks like I will have to shell out for a copy of Windows 10.
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Message 1984515 - Posted: 11 Mar 2019, 7:42:09 UTC - in response to Message 1984513.  

Hi Bernie

In the event log, does it indicate that you have Opencl, ie this is what it looks like in my event log at startup

11/03/2019 15:02:44 OpenCL: NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GTX 580 (driver version 391.35, device version OpenCL 1.1 CUDA, 1536MB, 1203MB available, 1604 GFLOPS peak)

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Message 1984516 - Posted: 11 Mar 2019, 7:55:03 UTC

Bernie it looks like that you're using the standard Nouveau drivers which don't support OpenCL apps.

You need to use the proper Nvidia drivers to use OpenCL apps and I'm sure that someone will come along that will give you further help as I'm just a newbie at Linux.

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Message 1984517 - Posted: 11 Mar 2019, 8:10:14 UTC - in response to Message 1984515.  
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Hi Bernie

In the event log, does it indicate that you have Opencl, ie this is what it looks like in my event log at startup

11/03/2019 15:02:44 OpenCL: NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GTX 580 (driver version 391.35, device version OpenCL 1.1 CUDA, 1536MB, 1203MB available, 1604 GFLOPS peak)

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Thank you, that may have been the issue as I discovered that Ubuntu 18.04 needs to have OpenCL installed manually!!

I hadn't noticed it was missing from the startup!!.

Easy to see why Linux is OK for simple things but having to use the terminal for almost everything is a pain, to make it worse I am just copying and pasting lines I find on the internet like "sudo apt install ocl-icd-libopencl1"

See if I get any SOG tasks now!!

You need to use the proper Nvidia drivers to use OpenCL


As above, the Nvidia drivers don't come with OpenCL!! With the default "Nouveau drivers" Boinc didn't even detect the card
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Message 1984518 - Posted: 11 Mar 2019, 8:14:14 UTC
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The Nvidia Linux 64-bit drivers can be downloaded from https://www.nvidia.co.uk/Download/driverResults.aspx/142968/en-uk
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Message 1984520 - Posted: 11 Mar 2019, 8:19:55 UTC - in response to Message 1984515.  

Hi Bernie, don' t know your method of getting Nvidia CUDA drivers installed. There are 3 main ways and sometimes they just install the CUDA part and skip the OpenCL part, The OpenCL part is needed for the SoG application which is OpenCL based.

A good utility for a quick sanity check about which drivers are installed in Linux is the clinfo utility. You can install it from the Terminal command line and then invoke it to get a printout of detected video drivers on your system. The end of the clinfo output after the output for the CUDA part is the detection of the OpenCL component. The install for clinfo is:

sudo apt install clinfo


If no OpenCL drivers are loaded and detected you can add them to your system with:

sudo apt-get install ocl-icd-libopencl1


As tazzduke says in the beginning of the Event Log after BOINC startup you should get a printout for every detected video card, first with the CUDA drivers detected, and then the same cards with the OpenCL drivers detected.

If you don't get any printout for detected OpenCL drivers that would explain the lack of any SoG tasks sent to you by the scheduler for trying out to determine the fastest app.
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Message 1984529 - Posted: 11 Mar 2019, 9:29:26 UTC

Well that was the problem, have just downloaded the first 4 SOG tasks!!
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Message 1984542 - Posted: 11 Mar 2019, 12:21:27 UTC - in response to Message 1984529.  

Good to see :-)
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Message 1993938 - Posted: 16 May 2019, 9:58:38 UTC
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As I mentioned in another thread, I was thinking about getting another GTX 1060 and retiring my GTX 970. A couple of people commented that the 970 was fine but the old CPU was the problem.

Having thought about this, and being very pleased with the new motherboard I brought for an even older HP machine I have decided to go the same route again and have just ordered a second AMD Ryzen 3 Motherboard Bundle,

AMD Ryzen 3 2200G 3.5GHz
8GB HyperX DDR4 Memory
Gigabyte A320M-S2H MB

(Price has gone down by £10)

I had noticed the new machine with this MB and the GTX 1060 has a higher RAC than the older AMD with the GTX 970 so hopefully this set up will serve the GTX 970 better.

This machine crunches 24/7 and I only occasionally use it as a "second screen" while in games
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