Hope a Windows user jumps in with some suggestions. Been too long for me for how and what it looks like on native Windows.

Thanks Keith I am also hopeful of this.

Seems to me the time I saw something similar to this it was because BT thought it belonged on a different desktop, one that I wasn't actually using. Hooked up a monitor to the desktop and dragged it back where it belonged:)
Easier way to do this, if that's the problem, is to use alt-tab to select the BT window, then use Shift-WindowsKey-arrow (L or R, as applicable) to move the task to a desktop you can see. If nothing else, alt-tab should let you see if Win thinks it's up somewhere. That shift-win-arrow combination is a useful and not often mentioned nicety.
Hope it helps.
l8r, Jim ...

When I use the alt–tab BT is seen as a window when I go to select it with the Windows key are a combination then press enter it disappear again not displaying on my screen

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When I use the alt–tab BT is seen as a window when I go to select it with the Windows key are a combination then press enter it disappear again not displaying on my screen

It sounds like you may have created a 2nd "Desktop" if you only have one screen then you will need to switch to this desktop to see any apps running on it.

Firstly click on the "Tasks View" icon on the bottom left in the taskbar



If you have more than one Desktop a bar will appear on the top of the screen like this



As you can see here I have Chrome open on Desktop one and Boinc Tasks on Desktop two, this is a single screen machine so to see Boinc Tasks I have to click the 2nd Desktop

If this is the case and you want to get BT back on Desktop 1 then click on Desktop 2 then on the Task View icon and click and drag BT back to Desktop 1.

I hope this is the answer to your problem

Hope a Windows user jumps in with some suggestions. Been too long for me for how and what it looks like on native Windows.

Thanks Keith I am also hopeful of this.

Seems to me the time I saw something similar to this it was because BT thought it belonged on a different desktop, one that I wasn't actually using. Hooked up a monitor to the desktop and dragged it back where it belonged:)
Easier way to do this, if that's the problem, is to use alt-tab to select the BT window, then use Shift-WindowsKey-arrow (L or R, as applicable) to move the task to a desktop you can see. If nothing else, alt-tab should let you see if Win thinks it's up somewhere. That shift-win-arrow combination is a useful and not often mentioned nicety.
Hope it helps.
l8r, Jim ...

When I use the alt–tab BT is seen as a window when I go to select it with the Windows key are a combination then press enter it disappear again not displaying on my screen

After you select it using the alt-tab key until it's highlighted or boxed (that changed, on 1903?), you will not see it if it's not in your window, but at that point start using the Shift-WindowsKey-arrow keys (LRUD) to try and get it moved into your window.

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When I use the alt–tab BT is seen as a window when I go to select it with the Windows key are a combination then press enter it disappear again not displaying on my screen

It sounds like you may have created a 2nd "Desktop" if you only have one screen then you will need to switch to this desktop to see any apps running on it.

Firstly click on the "Tasks View" icon on the bottom left in the taskbar



If you have more than one Desktop a bar will appear on the top of the screen like this



As you can see here I have Chrome open on Desktop one and Boinc Tasks on Desktop two, this is a single screen machine so to see Boinc Tasks I have to click the 2nd Desktop

If this is the case and you want to get BT back on Desktop 1 then click on Desktop 2 then on the Task View icon and click and drag BT back to Desktop 1.

I hope this is the answer to your problem

I do not have a window displaying with a + sign when I press alt–tab when only I get the white box around Boinc tasks and either press enter or clicking the left mouse button I just get presented with whatever was on the screen before I pushed alt–tab.
I fixed it yippee. In "Control Panel" under "Display" "Extend these displays" was selected I selected "Show only on 1" exited "Boinc tasks" & restarted the application & works as intended. This is what happened last time I had this issue
Thanks everyone for your help

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Does anyone have or know of someone who is crunching with a GTX 1650? I know its not a powerhouse by any means, but I've been looking to get a lower powered card as my GPU. I've been eyeing the 1660 Ti, but with some of the sales on Newegg the 1650 is looking tempting. I know Shaggie hasn't included the 1650 yet.

That, or is there an easy way to search for specific GPU/CPUs? I'm just clicking page after page, eyeballing for what I'm looking for.

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Seti@home classic: 1,456 results, 1.613 years CPU time

just basing this on the performance of the other cards in the Turing lineup, but I would guess that a GTX1650 will fall somewhere around the 1050ti/1060(3GB) in terms of performance.

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Seti@Home classic workunits: 29,492 CPU time: 134,419 hours

just basing this on the performance of the other cards in the Turing lineup, but I would guess that a GTX1650 will fall somewhere around the 1050ti/1060(3GB) in terms of performance.

If so, a used gtx 1060 3GB will almost certainly be cheaper.

Tom

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just basing this on the performance of the other cards in the Turing lineup, but I would guess that a GTX1650 will fall somewhere around the 1050ti/1060(3GB) in terms of performance.

If so, a used gtx 1060 3GB will almost certainly be cheaper.

Tom

but use more electricity. the 1650 becomes cheaper in the long run.

unless you have free electricity. It's the main reason I moved to Turing. because even with the higher upfront cost, the efficiency savings are worth it long term.

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Seti@Home classic workunits: 29,492 CPU time: 134,419 hours

but use more electricity. the 1650 becomes cheaper in the long run.

unless you have free electricity. It's the main reason I moved to Turing. because even with the higher upfront cost, the efficiency savings are worth it long term.

That is my objective, to get a GPU that crunches efficiently and quietly (it will be in a shared space). If I find the power bill and noise haven't gone up too much I can always get a faster card later. I've been staring at the Gigabyte 3-fan 1660 Ti for awhile now, and that seems to be a good balance of performance, efficiency, and silence. However, I'm sure a 1650 would be just as quiet, even if its a 2-fan with an external power connector. Instinctively I want to go for the 1660 Ti, but part of me is wondering if twice the price of the card justifies the task output and power consumption. I don't know that I have enough data to make a strong argument for the 1650, and the web seems to have quickly dismissed the card (possibly with good reason).

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Seti@home classic: 1,456 results, 1.613 years CPU time

which 1650 were you looking at?

I thought almost all of them were 75W no external power cards.

most of the bad reviews for the 1650 were/are from the gaming perspective in relation to price to performance. looking through that lens, people generally don't care as much about power consumption. they just care about how many FPS you can get for what price vs. the competition, and in that regard, there are better options than the GTX 1650 (like the AMD RX570 cards).

but for SETI, the 1650 should scale similarly to the others in the Turing lineup. it doesn't use much power, and wont be difficult to keep cool, so noise shouldn't be an issue.

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Seti@Home classic workunits: 29,492 CPU time: 134,419 hours

just basing this on the performance of the other cards in the Turing lineup, but I would guess that a GTX1650 will fall somewhere around the 1050ti/1060(3GB) in terms of performance.

If so, a used gtx 1060 3GB will almost certainly be cheaper.
Tom

but use more electricity. the 1650 becomes cheaper in the long run.
unless you have free electricity. It's the main reason I moved to Turing. because even with the higher upfront cost, the efficiency savings are worth it long term.

Was looking at RTX thinking about upgrading my Area51 pair of 1070TI. The only significant improvement was the 2080 super but it had that 8+6 power connector. My Area51 pwr supply can support that but I would be going from 185watts to 215 watts times 2. I think I read there is a %37 improvement going to the 2080 super but the power increase indicates no technological improvement. I suspect if I increase the GPU clock speed of the 1070ti it would match both performance and power of the 2080. However, the 1660ti seems a real improvement.

Currently I am running the 1660tI in a mining rig. According to techpowerup it is 120watt TDP and performance stats show it on par with 1070 with the 1070ti slightly faster.

gpu0: 1660Ti
gpu1: 1070Ti
gpu2,3 1070
gpu4,5 1060

I suspect if I increase the GPU clock speed of the 1070ti it would match both performance and power of the 2080

No, it wouldn't.

even the regular 2080 is MILES ahead of a 1070ti. a 2080S would be even further.

for context, even a 2070 non-Super is faster than a 1080ti (ten eighty!), that's a 175W card beating a 250W card. the improvements are significant.
the 2070S is even faster
the 2080 is even faster
the 2080S is even faster

also don't rely so much on TDP numbers they are estimations and standardized. a 2070S has the same TDP spec as a 2080 (215W), but since the 2070S is nothing more than a cut down 2080, I expect that at the absolute limit, the 2080 will pull proportionally more power. Or pull the same power if limited to 215W for both, with the 2070S clocking a little higher since it has more power headroom having less cores.

what matters is what is being pulled from your wall. and that number can depend on your core components, and PSU efficiency. You really need to get a watt meter and average the kWh used over an extended period of time.

take for example my 5x2070 machine. It averages about 900-950W pull from the wall and does roughly 550,000 RAC. 5x 1070ti wont be able to match this kind of performance. let alone if I had 5x2080s or 5x 2080Ss.

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Seti@Home classic workunits: 29,492 CPU time: 134,419 hours

Ok, I think I've reasoned enough to go for the 1660 Ti. First of all, I browsed through the top computers, starting at page 2000. I only found THREE computers with the 1650 and Windows 10 (not that there were many more with a different OS)! Of those three, they were averaging between 707 and 790 seconds a task. The 1660 Ti seems to average around 360 seconds a task, so basically half the time. Half the time, double the cost for the card, seems reasonable to me, but what about power consumption? Tom's Hardware had some graphs of a few 1650/1660 Ti cards, and they were drawing around 75-80W and 130-140 W on average, respectively. The 1660 Ti appears to be a little more efficient at running than the 1650, and that is without knowing if the three GPUs I looked up have an external power connector or not.

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Seti@home classic: 1,456 results, 1.613 years CPU time

I think you'll be happy with either card.

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Seti@Home classic workunits: 29,492 CPU time: 134,419 hours

The only significant improvement was the 2080 super but it had that 8+6 power connector. My Area51 pwr supply can support that but I would be going from 185watts to 215 watts times 2.

You can always power limit a card if you are concerned about power draw from the wall. As Ian said, the 2070S is just the same PCB as the 2080 but with a cutdown chip with a few less cores. I can cut my 2080 from default 215W down to 185W and I would be hard pressed to figure out which tasks were done on that card versus its identical twin at stock power levels by just looking at crunch times with the special app.

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Seti@Home classic workunits:20,676 CPU time:74,226 hours

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Was looking at RTX thinking about upgrading my Area51 pair of 1070TI. The only significant improvement was the 2080 super

My RTX 2060 is about 20% faster than my GTX 1070s.

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Grant
Darwin NT

Great News!
From University of Central Florida: “National Science Foundation Awards Arecibo Observatory $12.3 Million Grant”

The Arecibo Observatory in Puerto Rico today was awarded $12.3 million by the National Science Foundation to make repairs and improve resiliency of the facility managed by UCF.

The congressionally supported emergency supplemental funds represent a significant investment in the long-term viability of the site to do cutting-edge observations of Earth’s atmosphere, asteroids, interstellar gas, distant galaxies, pulsars, fast radio bursts, and to search for gravitational waves from distant cataclysmic events.

“NSF is excited to see the full potential of the Arecibo Observatory’s unique scientific capabilities realized as this restorative work is completed,” says Ashley Zauderer, program director at the National Science Foundation.

The money will be used during the next four years to make a range of repairs and improvements to the facility, which will also expand Arecibo’s capabilities.

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Does anyone have or know of someone who is crunching with a GTX 1650? I know its not a powerhouse by any means, but I've been looking to get a lower powered card as my GPU. I've been eyeing the 1660 Ti, but with some of the sales on Newegg the 1650 is looking tempting. I know Shaggie hasn't included the 1650 yet.

That, or is there an easy way to search for specific GPU/CPUs? I'm just clicking page after page, eyeballing for what I'm looking for.

Below is a good online tool I use to compare relative performance between card models. Of course, the benchmarks are geared towards gaming standards, but they seem to give a good estimation of how the cards will perform relative to each other on the SETI apps as well.

https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1650-vs-Nvidia-GTX-1060-3GB/4039vs3646

Great News!
From University of Central Florida: “National Science Foundation Awards Arecibo Observatory $12.3 Million Grant”

The Arecibo Observatory in Puerto Rico today was awarded $12.3 million by the National Science Foundation to make repairs and improve resiliency of the facility managed by UCF.

The congressionally supported emergency supplemental funds represent a significant investment in the long-term viability of the site to do cutting-edge observations of Earth’s atmosphere, asteroids, interstellar gas, distant galaxies, pulsars, fast radio bursts, and to search for gravitational waves from distant cataclysmic events.

“NSF is excited to see the full potential of the Arecibo Observatory’s unique scientific capabilities realized as this restorative work is completed,” says Ashley Zauderer, program director at the National Science Foundation.

The money will be used during the next four years to make a range of repairs and improvements to the facility, which will also expand Arecibo’s capabilities.

Good news but spread over 4 years that is still 'shoestring' Scrooge partial funding...

And no consolation to the scientists, staff, and support, and expertise that has already been lost from the multiple threatened closures.


Meanwhile, the Chinese have built FAST and have very quickly got that working with spectacular results.


All a game of damnable politics?

Keep searchin',
Martin

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The participant name says it all

RapidVideo SETI@Business Video Cloud Processing Cluster

https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_user.php?userid=8418913

If I am not confused that person is listing 330+ computers. All are pretty much poking along at 5,000 RAC's. So there is a very impressive total RAC.

Tom

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