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Message 1922359 - Posted: 3 Mar 2018, 7:11:19 UTC

There is a lot of stuff being posted at present about a couple of flakes of the wrong type of snow shutting down the UK transport system. This nothing new. WE get this every year when the airports shut down.

Helsinki airport is quoted as one in the EU that stays open all year round in their conditions. But they have had those conditions for over 60 years so the airports are designed to cope with it. Heated runways and many dozens of snow ploughs and other equipment on standby 24/7.

We could have that at Heathrow and other regional airports. Yes we could have thousands of snowploughs on standby 24/7 all over the UK, but they would only be brought out once every 5 or 10 years. In the meantime they would have to be maintained and serviced.

The railways are run by operating companies on franchises who lease their rolling stock, and which are designed to generate a profit. No way are they spending millions on expensive back up plans.

So where would the money come from for all that? If the Government said OK we'll put all this into practice but it will double your income tax, and council tax to pay for it, you can just imagine the reaction.

But many people just like complaining without thinking about the alternatives.
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Message 1922364 - Posted: 3 Mar 2018, 7:27:12 UTC

But many people just like complaining without thinking about the alternatives.


I Shovel dA Street when it Snows. Has Taken 12 Hours at times. I'm Old and it is Back Breaking Work. Wait fO da County and GET NO WHERE.

Time to STOP B****ing and Start WORKING.

Some Things have to be DONE fO FREE.

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Message 1922380 - Posted: 3 Mar 2018, 8:51:55 UTC - in response to Message 1922364.  

Oh
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Message 1922428 - Posted: 3 Mar 2018, 14:26:49 UTC - in response to Message 1922359.  
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But many people just like complaining without thinking about the alternatives.

Of course we are complaining about public transportion that doesn't work when the temperatur drops below 0 C and that the snow somehow is more difficult to handle now than it used to be.
"OMG. there is some white stuff on the roads/railways/airportrunways. What to do? Yes close all transportation"
Yes. It snows in Britain as well sometimes. Here we call that slush and it only last for a couple of days.
However Britain todays weather is different according to a British lorry driver next door to mine who gets eyeball reports from the chaos in Britain.

Aren't governments supposed to handle situations like weather problems?
Doesn't we tax payers pay for this kind of services already?
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Message 1922455 - Posted: 3 Mar 2018, 16:13:50 UTC - in response to Message 1922359.  

But many people just like complaining without thinking about the alternatives.
Many prefer to knuckle down & work rather than sit at a table/desk writing moaning letters :-)
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Message 1922459 - Posted: 3 Mar 2018, 16:33:56 UTC - in response to Message 1922455.  

But many people just like complaining without thinking about the alternatives.
Many prefer to knuckle down & work rather than sit at a table/desk writing moaning letters :-)

The computer says No:)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJQ3TM-p2QI
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Message 1922463 - Posted: 3 Mar 2018, 16:53:37 UTC - in response to Message 1922459.  

So where would the money come from for all that? If the Government said OK we'll put all this into practice but it will double your income tax, and council tax to pay for it, you can just imagine the reaction.


It was reported on LBC radio that shortly before the fire, the head of the council sent out letters to the higest payers in the borough stating that due to their cost cutting & efficiency, the council will be making a £100 refund of council tax. It was also mentioned that this year the council's funds would total £209,000,000, a surplus of £42,000,000.


The computer says No:)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJQ3TM-p2QI


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Message 1922493 - Posted: 3 Mar 2018, 18:50:07 UTC - in response to Message 1922359.  

As a 40 year electrical lineman for a public utility in the Pacific Northwest, I had to get to work when most couldn't make it. Four wheel drive/all wheel drive vehicle with snow chains did the trick. I never missed one trouble call in 40 years. The only problem we had was the yahoo clueless idiots who were not prepared cluttering up the roads.

Now granted when you get two the three feet of snow overnight almost everything stops. My worst was over an hour to go the seven miles to work.

Studded tires go a long way to getting you there. Be Prepared wink wink har...

Studded tires

By law, studded tires are legal for use in Washington state only from Nov. 1 through March 31. This applies to all vehicles in Washington, even those traveling from other states. WSDOT can approve studded tires earlier in extraordinary conditions, but at this time the date remains Nov. 1. Motorists are encouraged to visit a tire dealer to learn more about stud-free traction tires that are legal for year-round use and do not cause the same roadway damage as studded tires. WSDOT estimates studded tires cause between $20 million and $29 million in damage, combined, to state-owned asphalt and concrete roadways each year. More information about studded-tired restrictions and requirements can be found in the FAQ on the WSP website.

http://wsdot.wa.gov/news/2017/10/24/preparation-key-winter-driving-conditions
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Message 1922501 - Posted: 3 Mar 2018, 19:16:19 UTC - in response to Message 1922493.  
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Studded or very cold tires?
In Sibiria you do like this.

Passengers due to take a flight in Siberia had to get out and push the aircraft after its brake pads froze solid, it's reported.
The plane was trying to take off from the Russian town of Igarka, but was unable to move after the temperature fell to -52C. Passengers on board the flight, many of them shift workers, apparently offered to lend a hand, fearing that otherwise their journey home would be delayed.
http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-30208605
Давай:) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzQUy4qhNj4

BTW. Studded or spoked tyres are forbidden in Britain,
Thats why so many car accidents happen in Britain happen when it's snowing.
But snowing in Britian is very rare.
Bying spoked tyres as we do in our Nordic countries is not something you do.
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Message 1922538 - Posted: 3 Mar 2018, 21:09:51 UTC

"Grab your shovels & lanterns guys & get aboard the rescue train".

Wait a minute...this is 2018, not 1958

Mustn't interfere with our profits. WE know, lets get the government to get troops involved (knowing full well they cannot disobey orders).

Ain't progress a b*tch!
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Message 1922539 - Posted: 3 Mar 2018, 21:10:39 UTC

My youngest daughter enjoyed the snow in London. ;-)

Cheers.
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Message 1922549 - Posted: 3 Mar 2018, 21:26:59 UTC - in response to Message 1922539.  
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My youngest daughter enjoyed the snow in London. ;-)
Cheers.

LOL.
It doesn't snow that often in London so she must have been lucky:)
Unless she was there when it's really snowy and cold, like yesterday and the day before.
Now it's back to normal.
Light rain and breeze and more than +10 C so all the snow is gone by now.
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Message 1922553 - Posted: 3 Mar 2018, 21:30:37 UTC - in response to Message 1922549.  

My youngest daughter enjoyed the snow in London. ;-)
Cheers.

LOL.
It doesn't snow that often in London so she must have been lucky:)
Unless she is there now when it's really snowy and cold,
Yes she is there ask we speak. ;-)

Cheers.
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Message 1922557 - Posted: 3 Mar 2018, 21:39:05 UTC - in response to Message 1922553.  

My youngest daughter enjoyed the snow in London. ;-)
Cheers.

LOL.
It doesn't snow that often in London so she must have been lucky:)
Unless she is there now when it's really snowy and cold,
Yes she is there ask we speak. ;-)

Cheers.

Hehe:)
Welcome to Europe as it was before the Global Warming started to have an effect in the mid 80's.
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Message 1922927 - Posted: 5 Mar 2018, 15:34:45 UTC

One in the eye for those bored keyboard warriors who disparage the armed forces

Thankfully there are those who accept the fact that there are times where there are overwhelmed & helpless in certain situations:
"As a result it is estimated it will be at least 48 hours before we reach many more of these communities, hence the need to bring in military assistance and we are very grateful for their help."
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Message 1922956 - Posted: 5 Mar 2018, 17:44:54 UTC - in response to Message 1922927.  

One in the eye for those bored keyboard warriors who disparage the armed forces

Thankfully there are those who accept the fact that there are times where there are overwhelmed & helpless in certain situations:
"As a result it is estimated it will be at least 48 hours before we reach many more of these communities, hence the need to bring in military assistance and we are very grateful for their help."

LOL.
We have that amount of snow even in the summer.
Pic from Vätterrundan one week before midsummer.
Brrr....
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Message 1922960 - Posted: 5 Mar 2018, 17:54:07 UTC - in response to Message 1922956.  

No 6' drifts in that pic :-)
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Message 1922965 - Posted: 5 Mar 2018, 18:24:22 UTC - in response to Message 1922960.  
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No 6' drifts in that pic :-)

Luckily I was not one them.
I have done "Vätternrundan" three times,
300 km it is (186 miles) . Starting at 2 am. Cold but no snow.
I wonder how the weather in "Vätternrundan 2018" will be...
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Message 1922967 - Posted: 5 Mar 2018, 18:44:00 UTC - in response to Message 1922960.  

No 6' drifts in that pic :-)

California snow

What were you on about again?
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Message 1922968 - Posted: 5 Mar 2018, 18:50:13 UTC - in response to Message 1922967.  

[quote]No 6' drifts in that pic :-)

California snow
/quote]
Yes. But that pic is not from Mars.
It's supposed to be springtime by now.
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