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Message 1932626 - Posted: 29 Apr 2018, 11:37:43 UTC

Thank you Trump, the Genius from Karlstad.
Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump 27 apr.
KOREAN WAR TO END! The United States, and all of its GREAT people, should be very proud of what is now taking place in Korea!
Please do not forget the great help that my good friend, President Xi of China, has given to the United States, particularly at the Border of North Korea. Without him it would have been a much longer, tougher, process!
Meanwhile.
Russia doesn't like to be left out, will undoubtedly re-insert itself into the process. Playing the part of a peacemaker is one of Putin's fave gigs, while he is the opposite in real life.
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Message 1932629 - Posted: 29 Apr 2018, 12:42:22 UTC - in response to Message 1932627.  

Russia and China have different interests. They are not friends.
What?
In the last few years, the People’s Republic of China (PRC) has become the Russian Federation’s largest trading partner, while Russia has become a main source of China’s imported oil and has attracted more Chinese investment. The PRC has also been acquiring advanced weapons from Russian arms exporters, filling critical gaps in Chinese military power. Overall, Russia’s foreign economic ties have rebalanced away from Europe and towards China in recent years.
In 2013, the Russian energy giant Rosneft signed a 270-billion-dollar deal with the China National Petroleum Corporation to supply the PRC with 360 million tonnes of crude oil until 2038. Moreover, the Russian Transneft energy corporation has been building a new pipeline that could send 30 million tonnes of oil per year to China.
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Message 1932647 - Posted: 29 Apr 2018, 14:45:31 UTC - in response to Message 1932638.  

Doubt if Xi wishes to add another non-friend (Putin) interfering in what China regards as their vital national interests.
The difference between American national interests & Chinese national interests is?
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Message 1932650 - Posted: 29 Apr 2018, 14:53:08 UTC - in response to Message 1932649.  

Answer the question.

A 2nd question:

If peace treaty signed & Korea ends up unified & Korea requests that ALL American forces depart the peninsula, a request support by both China & Russia, what will America's answer be?
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Message 1932653 - Posted: 29 Apr 2018, 15:09:31 UTC - in response to Message 1932629.  

Russia and China have different interests. They are not friends.
What?
In the last few years, the People’s Republic of China (PRC) has become the Russian Federation’s largest trading partner, while Russia has become a main source of China’s imported oil and has attracted more Chinese investment. The PRC has also been acquiring advanced weapons from Russian arms exporters, filling critical gaps in Chinese military power. Overall, Russia’s foreign economic ties have rebalanced away from Europe and towards China in recent years.
In 2013, the Russian energy giant Rosneft signed a 270-billion-dollar deal with the China National Petroleum Corporation to supply the PRC with 360 million tonnes of crude oil until 2038. Moreover, the Russian Transneft energy corporation has been building a new pipeline that could send 30 million tonnes of oil per year to China.

Moomin, what this is, is conservatism on display. A conservative believes nothing ever changes. So whatever fact he learned, true of faux, never can change. He bases his life on things never changing. It is why he hates reality, because reality is in constant change. That is too much for his brain to deal with, so he responds with anger and starts wars to put things back the way they are supposed to be. Usually that is with him in a special privileged position.
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Message 1932657 - Posted: 29 Apr 2018, 15:27:40 UTC - in response to Message 1932653.  

â—¾An end to "hostile activities" between the two nations
â—¾Changing the demilitarised zone (DMZ) that divides the country into a "peace zone" by ceasing propaganda broadcasts
â—¾An arms reduction in the region pending the easing of military tension
â—¾To push for four-way talks involving the US and China
â—¾Organising a reunion of families left divided by the war
â—¾Connecting and modernising railways and roads across the border
â—¾Further joint participation in sporting events, including this year's Asian Games

Could be a promising start

BUT will those "conservatives" allow it to occur?
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Message 1932661 - Posted: 29 Apr 2018, 15:52:05 UTC - in response to Message 1932659.  

Okay so I'll rephrase the question:
Will America allow it to occur or will all "those" American capitalists kick up a stink?
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Message 1932668 - Posted: 29 Apr 2018, 16:14:36 UTC - in response to Message 1932664.  

Will probably accept the agreement(s).
Which leads back to a specific question:
If Korea unifies & requests that America departs, what will America's answer be?
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Message 1932669 - Posted: 29 Apr 2018, 16:17:12 UTC - in response to Message 1932668.  
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Will probably accept the agreement(s).
Which leads back to a specific question:
If Korea unifies & requests that America departs, what will America's answer be?

Same answer it gave Ngo Dinh Diem.
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Message 1932672 - Posted: 29 Apr 2018, 16:24:52 UTC - in response to Message 1932669.  

Why? There would no longer be a North or South divide but Korea.
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Message 1932673 - Posted: 29 Apr 2018, 16:26:54 UTC - in response to Message 1932670.  

So there would be no legitimate reason for America to maintain a carrier battle group in the South China Sea. Correct?
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Message 1932688 - Posted: 29 Apr 2018, 17:36:18 UTC - in response to Message 1932655.  
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moomin...Guessing you are now the arbitrator :-D
Hehe:)
On the other hand a political discussusion would be very boring if everyone have the same opinion and if not someone get upset sometime.
Actually Sweden is an arbitrator in the North Korean conflict.
Sweden can be said to have two roles in the conflict. At the border between South and North Korea, Swedish military is in place together with Swiss military. Sweden has five officers at the border, a demilitarized zone, and is there to guard the armistice agreement.
Sweden also has an embassy in Pyongyang and one in Seoul. Thus, Sweden is the only country in the world that has three delegations in the Korean Peninsula.
Sweden has the so-called Protecting Power to the United States. This means that a country that has no diplomatic relations with another country asks for a third channel to communicate. The United States can therefore always turn to Sweden's Embassy in Pyongyang if they want to get in touch with North Korea.
This is mainly used if a US citizen is imprisoned or similar. Then we negotiate on behalf of the United States, says Lars Vargö.
At school I knew a girl from Korea. From North or South I don't know but she was also called Kim:) Seems like almost everyone in Korea are called Kim.
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Message 1932692 - Posted: 29 Apr 2018, 17:47:33 UTC

So there would be no legitimate reason for America to maintain a carrier battle group in the South China Sea. Correct?
You REALLY need to look at a world map.........what does the SOUTH China Sea have to do with KOREA?


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Message 1932696 - Posted: 29 Apr 2018, 18:05:40 UTC - in response to Message 1932692.  

Well your starter for 10 is: south CHINA sea.

For bonus points:

Who wants overall influence in that area of Asia?

Who is contesting ownership of the Spratly Islands?

Should Korea unify, WHO is in the best position to offer Korea the best support? America?

There's certainly no love with all the nations In that area for America & can you blame them for that?

Anyway haven't you already agreed with your compatriot that the "World's policeman is going home" so you shouldn't mind the Chinese taking over influence in that area :-)
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Message 1932697 - Posted: 29 Apr 2018, 18:09:16 UTC - in response to Message 1932692.  

So there would be no legitimate reason for America to maintain a carrier battle group in the South China Sea. Correct?
You REALLY need to look at a world map.........what does the SOUTH China Sea have to do with KOREA?
Perhaps this.
China Is Gaining Control of the South China Sea (Thanks to North Korea)
http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/china-gaining-control-the-south-china-sea-thanks-north-korea-23756
You REALLY need to look at a world map.........what does the SOUTH China Sea have to do with USA?
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Message 1932698 - Posted: 29 Apr 2018, 18:12:31 UTC - in response to Message 1932697.  
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The problem is Janne that Americans feel they are "superior" to all others on the planet & get mightily miffed off if they are taken to task regarding that attitude :-)

Edit: It also hurts them to see their "sphere of influence" diminishing :-)
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Message 1932700 - Posted: 29 Apr 2018, 18:20:25 UTC - in response to Message 1932698.  

The problem is Janne that Americans feel they are "superior" to all others on the planet & get mightily miffed off if they are taken to task regarding that attitude :-)
Why am I not surprised:)
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Message 1932714 - Posted: 29 Apr 2018, 20:07:34 UTC

I'll say it one more time........Ya'll gonna miss us when we're gone....

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Message 1932718 - Posted: 29 Apr 2018, 20:41:50 UTC - in response to Message 1932714.  

You say Ya'll and I think you mean all non-americans.
Why yes. You'll be missed. Thank you very much for your "help".
One of the reason that Russia have become so hostile lately is the very presence of American/NATO troops near the Russian border.
Then how helpful is the US presence in South Korea to sooth the conflict there?
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Message 1932720 - Posted: 29 Apr 2018, 20:47:59 UTC - in response to Message 1932714.  

You're not missed now, so bye bye :-)
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