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Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30651 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Insufficient evidence to obtain conviction at this time. The Special Counsel states that "while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxeFMHyOx3I |
JaundicedEye Send message Joined: 14 Mar 12 Posts: 5375 Credit: 30,870,693 RAC: 1 |
@Clyde.....I hold little hope of there being any Justice dispensed towards those who instigated and then fanned the flames of this $25 Million dollar fiasco. It's become endemic in DC politics to deny realities that don't suit the narrative and then seek to change the rules for a more favorable outcome. They're still screaming at the sky over 2016 and now there will be more screaming over Mueller not seeking the death penalty for Trump. i.e. "Pack SCOTUS with more Judges"........"Ignore the Electoral College"......."Lower the voting age to 16"......."Abolish ICE"......etc. I have to laugh (although it's not humorous) at those who want the popular vote of the people, not the Electoral College, to be the final word, then(in my State) have a Legislature pass laws in DIRECT OPPOSITION to those votes, or not submit those laws to a referendum of The People because they know full well they will be defeated again as in the past 6 years. I predict MANY recall petitions in Colorado starting in July, from the Governor, through the Senate and the House. Fortunately those avenues of dissent have not been closed(yet). "Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)> |
JaundicedEye Send message Joined: 14 Mar 12 Posts: 5375 Credit: 30,870,693 RAC: 1 |
Along the same path, a little not so subtle humor...... "Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)> |
Mr. Kevvy Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 3776 Credit: 1,114,826,392 RAC: 3,319 |
'...this $25 Million dollar fiasco. I don't think it was one: it resulted in numerous indictments and confessions. This was not just about Donald Trump himself, but also those around him. It also exonerated him personally, which I think greatly increases his chances of re-election in 2020 (I thought you'd at least agree with that!) $25 million to defend the integrity of the Constitution, the Union and the electoral process... well, that's what the military spends to do the same every twenty minutes (not an exaggeration.) Chump change. |
JaundicedEye Send message Joined: 14 Mar 12 Posts: 5375 Credit: 30,870,693 RAC: 1 |
If they are. Why were we subjected to this political hysteria for the past two years?Short answer, fat cat DC lawyers saw a way to bilk the taxpayers of another $25 million dollars in billable hours. I don't think it was one: it resulted in numerous indictments and confessions.Two dozen of which were Russian nationals who will never see a US court and are 'justification fluff' for the bilking of taxpayer funds. The remainder were for lying to the FBI or Congress which was stupidity of the highest level on the part of those indicted. I for one agree this will help spur the re-election of Trump, the continued hysteria and denial by the Dims will seal the deal. They just can't help shooting themselves in the foot and this time their aim is a lot higher. Thank God for A.O.C, Camilla, Bernie, Cory, Adam, Nancy and Chuck. Two more years of listening to their mindless drivel will insure a Conservative backlash in the 2020 Presidential and Congressional elections and possibly four years later. "Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)> |
Mr. Kevvy Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 3776 Credit: 1,114,826,392 RAC: 3,319 |
What may have happened was not defending the integrity of our Constitution. But a possible attempt to subvert a Constitutionally elected Presidency. If there had been no results, I might accept that, but given the number of indictments that resulted that were successful, many with the indicted being convicted including through confession (Papadopoulos, Manafort, Gates, Flynn, Pinedo, Cohen, Stone... these are just the Americans) I don't, and find this argument groundless. I strongly doubt given its success in this regard that that any "investigation of the investigation" will result in anything except the waste of time and money that this one was accused of being. Again it is being portrayed as just being about Donald Trump, whereas its results demonstrate that the opposite was and is true. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30651 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
What may have happened was not defending the integrity of our Constitution. But a possible attempt to subvert a Constitutionally elected Presidency. Every time a birther spoke it was an attempt to subvert a Constitutionally elected President. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19064 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
As the Special Counsel investigation was a United States law enforcement and counterintelligence investigation of the Russian government's efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election." wasn't it logical to see if Donald Trump or any of his team conspired with the any Russians, as Trump and his team had the most to gain. So, to say this investigation was a waste of your taxes seems to be a bit odd. Unless. You don't mind foreigners, especially those most of you regard as the enemy, interfering with your elections. |
marmot Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 144 Credit: 1,220,664 RAC: 0 |
I see on a few media sites that reminiscent of the birther bill, some states are considering a "show your tax returns" bill. Which could mean Trump isn't on the ballot in 2020. That would be hilarious. And be taken quickly to SCOTUS. Can't wait to see the results of those efforts. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19064 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
I see on a few media sites that reminiscent of the birther bill, some states are considering a "show your tax returns" bill. Which could mean Trump isn't on the ballot in 2020. They should also add that any presidential nominees and their appointees need to be security cleared before nomination. |
marmot Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 144 Credit: 1,220,664 RAC: 0 |
It was by the Saxons (Germans). They can find hardly any Roman, Viking or Norman contribution in English genetics, though. Seems like the Romans and Normans stayed in their enclaves and refused to breed with the locals. The Vikings only effected small sections of the north (Orkney). England is predominantly Angle-Saxon-Celt genes. “History is written by the winners. Genetics, by contrast, is the history of the masses†https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22530134-300-ancient-invaders-transformed-britain-but-not-its-dna/ Think about this when you look at the culture of an area like South America or the Middle East when the genetic demographic results come out. Mexicans are predominantly Mixtec, Zapotec, Mayan genes, speaking language and worshiping God of Spanish colonizers. Palestinians are (ironically) predominantly Hebrew genetics, speaking Arabic and worshiping Islam of the conquering Caliphates. |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
And the Special Counsel investigation grand juries and federal judges were involved in approving the 2,800 subpoenas, 500 search warrants, and 50 pen registers that resulted in 199 criminal charges against 37 individuals including 7 members of the campaign pleading or going to jail. |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
They can find hardly any Roman, Viking or Norman contribution in English genetics, though.Hmm... What have genetics with social interaction, religous belives, cultures and speaking languages to do? Hmm again... The English language is about 50% Norse according to English linguistics. |
marmot Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 144 Credit: 1,220,664 RAC: 0 |
I have little confidence in Barr's ability to be even handed after seeing his behavior in regards to Guantanamo Bay, his call to have federal funds go to Catholic schools, call for laws to 'restrain sexual immorality', his conclusion that the US constitution "flows from God's eternal law" (Laws of Maat and Code of Hammurabi are better ancient source materials). His views are extreme and far from normal interpretations. He is a cultural warrior and likely sees Trump as a Sampson figure in the fight for his value system so he will probably downplay anything that will cause Trump a problem . |
marmot Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 144 Credit: 1,220,664 RAC: 0 |
You are all over the place in that interpretation. There is a rift in the Democratic party and you are lumping opponents into the same camp. Nancy and Chuck are status quo moderates with close ties to banking and other corporate interests. They are extreme in their centrism and took harsh action against Sanders platform ideas and are trying to suffocate AOC's rise. Nancy and Chuck want nothing to do with Medicare for All and are dragging their feet on any fight against climate change. Beto O'Rourke (he'll be the front runner by 2020 as he's an oil man) or Biden (too many pictures of him groping women, he'll fade) are their preferred choice for 2020. Maybe Gillibrand or Klobachar. Watch how much time PBS News Hour gives to each candidate. Those with the most air time is certainly the favored of the DNC and the Super Delegate elites. They are going to back someone that is liberal on certain social issues, strongly supportive of Israel's actions (no matter what), won't really back a Green New Deal or Medicare For All, won't promote trust busting, won't push to heavily regulate the banking industry, and especially won't attack the oil industry, reduce the military budget or close significant numbers of our 600 hundred military bases outside US soil. Cory Booker is actually a conservative on business issues. So, you might want to take off the filter and actually look at OpenSecrets.org and scrutinize these people a little closer. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
There needs to be a new probe to determine whether members of the United States intelligence services, DOJ and FBI took part in an effort to elect their candidate and later to compromise a duly elected president of the United States.That's going to cost. Thought you was against waste of taxpayers money? |
JaundicedEye Send message Joined: 14 Mar 12 Posts: 5375 Credit: 30,870,693 RAC: 1 |
Adam Schiff at his finest....... "Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)> |
JaundicedEye Send message Joined: 14 Mar 12 Posts: 5375 Credit: 30,870,693 RAC: 1 |
Beto O'Rourke (he'll be the front runner by 2020 as he's an oil man)Bozo O'Rourke is not only an empty suit, he's an empty hat..... "Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)> |
JaundicedEye Send message Joined: 14 Mar 12 Posts: 5375 Credit: 30,870,693 RAC: 1 |
The only possibly level head among them is Biden.........Beto O'Rourke (he'll be the front runner by 2020 as he's an oil man)Bozo O'Rourke is not only an empty suit, he's an empty hat..... I was a Democrat for nearly 40 years, including the Clinton 1st term, I then realized what a sewer of irresponsible idiots they were becoming. I don't agree with any of the currently 'announced' candidates including my former Governor Hiccup-loser. He didn't have the guts to either pardon a convicted mass murderer or carry out the execution to which he was sentenced. He deferred 'to the next Governor'. I also do not 'love' the current President, but I respect his determination and believe he truly believes in the American People and is working for them as he promised. "Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)> |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
...but I respect his determination and believe he truly believes in the American People and is working for them as he promised.So why does he make so many statements that are false to the American People? https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/ |
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