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moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
Avoiding the question again. Do you believe that both you & America are far superior to the rest of the world?LOL:) To many Americans America is the World. Other things like Europe, Africa, Asia and Australia are white spots on their map. |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
Having Government Authority compel an individual to vote if, for political, social, religious or other reason they don't wish to.Is anathema to any belief in Individual Liberty.That's f***g ridiculous . You cannot build societies or communities on such presumptions! |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11362 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
Therefore, exercising ones freedom to vote or not vote. Is exercising an individual's freedom of opinion and is the bases of our Individual Rights as enumerated in our Constitution. It is not Anti-Constitution.So therefor it's OK when less then the half of the population not even showing up on election day with the right to give a blank vote? This is not a sentence, what is it? |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
Blin:) There are countries very next to me that also have that narrow view of the world like the US. LOL:)Avoiding the question again. Do you believe that both you & America are far superior to the rest of the world?LOL:) |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24881 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Does not, nor has ever meant that one side is superior or inferior.It seems you believe the answer to be yes hence your use of "primitive countries" I suppose that you will now claim that I misquoted you. :-) |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
Translation. C'est qu'ils sont fous, ces Americains:) |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
Speaking of voting and non voting rights.Ok. I will narrow it down. Let's say you move to a gated community. One day the community says that there are changes coming on that will affect you, good or bad, and they want your vote on that. Now what response would you give or perhaps you don't respond at all? |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30701 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
voting systems and counting, so much fun. 1000 registered. 75% quorum Lout A 200 votes Lout B 199 votes Lout C 198 votes Who is elected? None of the above is elected. 1000 registered 75% quorum Lout A 200 votes Lout B 199 votes Lout C 198 votes blank 197 votes Is Lout A is elected? A only got 25% of the vote. Is the election rule 50%+1 of cast? Is the election rule most cast? Voting should be mandatory, just like jury duty. Don't do it, see the judge. |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
And some in the USA believe the Irish are..., and the Swede's are..., and the French are..., and the (Fill-in the Country) are.I don't share their view's.Me neither. However Trump the Genius from Karlstad... He manage to increase the news media ratings though:) |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
As I said regarding Government Election's. All should vote.Yes. But why don't so many Americans vote? Because of "It's my legal right to be ignorant" or " I really don't care, do u"? Is it illegal in the US to give a blank vote? |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
Hehe:) We have the Donald Duck Party as well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Duck_Party But I think the Homer Simpson party are coming in strong... “Blame It on Lisaâ€:) |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30701 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Since the Government cannot compel people to vote, nor limit their vote to who is on the ballot. Perhaps in Florida they don't limit, but in other states you can only vote for candidates that are eligible [filed paperwork - paid fees], anyone else is "not counted" sometimes called an "under vote." |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30701 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
I don't understand that a government can't compel voting. Of course it can. It compels citizens to register for the draft. It compels citizens to perform Jury duty. It compels people to obey subpoenas. It compels people to obey laws. So why can't a government compel voting? Never mind there are many governments around the world who do, so obviously they can. In the USA the government can't tax you to vote. But the opposite isn't true. It can tax you if you don't vote! |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
Maybe. And with some appointments and aids from the Flintstones and the Al Bundy family we are home free:)Hehe:) |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19114 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
I don't understand that a government can't compel voting. Of course it can. It compels citizens to register for the draft. It compels citizens to perform Jury duty. It compels people to obey subpoenas. It compels people to obey laws. So why can't a government compel voting? Never mind there are many governments around the world who do, so obviously they can. The State governments should make it into an opportunity, by following the Australian example and handing out small fines to those that don't vote. If in Texas 20% of the Voting Age Population were fined $10 then the income would be ~$40 million, and they possibly would have second thoughts on suppressing voter registration of the non-white population. (We all know the true god in the US is the $) https://www.sos.state.tx.us/elections/historical/70-92.shtml |
Mr. Kevvy Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 3776 Credit: 1,114,826,392 RAC: 3,319 |
Compulsory voting? From a self-identified Libertarian? (Well, that was how you voted at least.) Not that it's the first stance I've seen that would put you at odds with "mainstream" libertarians. But I digress... In a properly functioning democracy, voters won't need to be compelled. They will vote because they feel that their vote will count and that voting is important. The very low turnout at U..S. federal elections should be sending a message that voters no longer care and reforms are needed. (I say "should" because there certainly are some vested interests that are encouraging low voter turnout.) Some possible reasons: Electronic voting: a paperless voting machine can lose or change thousands of votes without any verifiable trace. Thousands of people patiently waiting for hours to vote (sometimes taking time off work...) all wasted; their votes are now worthless. It's common knowledge that these machines are usually insecure, prone to failure, easily tampered with and usually run by people who know very little about their inner workings. I personally would not ever vote if that was my only option. Superdelegates etc.: Remember what happened to Bernie Sanders in the 2016 primaries? He didn't win the Democratic nomination because it was already pre-determined that Hillary was going to be the candidate... who cares what the people chose. I wonder how many voters decided they had had enough at that point. Inconvenience: There are usually not enough polling stations resulting in long lineups, for a process that doesn't require this at all. For example Washington state now has vote-by-mail statewide using secure hand-counted paper ballots (as well as polling stations.) Why isn't this national? Again we come back to a fragmented system of fifty sets of laws and policies yet for one federal election. Ennui/stalemate/partisanship: The U.S. is regionally polarized enough that elections are usually decided by a couple of swing states, leaving two almost evenly matched houses. In such conditions it's very difficult to get any meaningful legislation passed. Voters don't feel anything will change, so they may as well stay home. I'm sure others can think of many more... |
JaundicedEye Send message Joined: 14 Mar 12 Posts: 5375 Credit: 30,870,693 RAC: 1 |
Kinda sums it up......... "Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)> |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30701 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Compulsory voting? From a self-identified Libertarian? (Well, that was how you voted at least.) Not that it's the first stance I've seen that would put you at odds with "mainstream" libertarians. But I digress...Perhaps, but perhaps if "abstain" and "none of the above" were also choices on the ballot they might not be so divergent. <end digress> California's vote by mail. https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article215115160.html California voters will save themselves a few stamps after Gov. Jerry Brown on Wednesday signed a measure requiring elections officials to provide prepaid mail ballots in future elections. Superdelegates are a democrat party invention. If you don't like them, then don't be part of that party. Or work inside that party to change their internal rules. There are no government rules about how parties select their candidates. The only government rules are for general elections. There are states where there isn't an election but a caucus. That is a huge time waster as everybody has to stay for hours to get a result. So only the special interests who have big money at stake or retired people who have nothing else to do show up to caucus. As to a small fine for not voting, the voter suppression efforts would swing from hindrance on election day to hindrance in getting registered in the first place and ways invented to remove voters from registration. Some form of automatic lifetime registration will be needed. My thought is put a quorum of at least 75% in place. That will force candidates to go center so as to not piss off too many voters. Make those blank, abstain and none of the above count, so the required is 50%+1 of the total including them. Again it will force candidates to the center so that they don't piss off too many voters. We have a census that is supposed to count everyone. If we have a poll it should also count everyone. Yes there are a lot of "libertarians" who think the government doesn't have a right to know that you exist. Or should they be called "anarchists?" |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30701 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
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W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19114 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Says it all, considering the originator. |
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