Or are you saying that you can actually pick and choose which laws to follow and which 1's not to?

No wonder the U.S. is in a bad way with that type of thinking.

Cheers.

Wiggo, consider that he would vote for people like himself, now we have brought this back onto topic, 45.

the IQ of trumpettes on display https://apnews.com/225b3c5f28c94b6687adca2a96209b50/Trump-supporters-confuse-LeVar-Burton-with-LaVar-Ball-online

To a degree we all pick and choose which laws to obey and which ones to ignore. Some we ignore because we think they are inherently wrong but most we ignore because they are inconvenient to the situation at hand. I doubt that one could find any person who obeys all the laws all the time. Children get started along that path by watching the activities of their parents, especially, at least here in the United States, as regards traffic laws. They are small infractions and normally no one gets caught breaking the law and no one gets injured in the process. But the pattern is started. How often have I heard "It ain't illegal if I don't get caught." I think it is part of our nature and I don't think much can be done in a "free" society to encourage citizens to be peaceful and law abiding all the time. Hence the admonition that "he who is without sin cast the first stone" in the Bible.

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My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events.

To a degree we all pick and choose which laws to obey and which ones to ignore. Some we ignore because we think they are inherently wrong but most we ignore because they are inconvenient to the situation at hand. I doubt that one could find any person who obeys all the laws all the time. Children get started along that path by watching the activities of their parents, especially, at least here in the United States, as regards traffic laws. They are small infractions and normally no one gets caught breaking the law and no one gets injured in the process. But the pattern is started. How often have I heard "It ain't illegal if I don't get caught." I think it is part of our nature and I don't think much can be done in a "free" society to encourage citizens to be peaceful and law abiding all the time. Hence the admonition that "he who is without sin cast the first stone" in the Bible.

How true, most in the UK Military refer to the LSGC (Long Service & Good Conduct) medal as the undetected crime medal.

You know Wiggo, it's mentalities like yours that would probably make my late father regret the 4 years he spent risking his life flying out of Port Moresby to stop the Imperial Japanese Army from eating your small corner of the world.

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Eye IMO he brought up good points.

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You know Wiggo, it's mentalities like yours that would probably make my late father regret the 4 years he spent risking his life flying out of Port Moresby to stop the Imperial Japanese Army from eating your small corner of the world.

Humor is lost on so many JaundicedEye. The photo story was funny. Har... TY

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And I had 2 uncles up on the Kokoda Track actually engaged with the Japanese (1 sadly didn't return), but that's beside the point. :-(

The point being that the law is there for a reason and no one is above or exempted from it, but you on the other hand have just admitted that law breaking is ok so long as you don't get caught it (this is usually greed motivated).

Now if we could get rid of everyone with that sort of attitude the world would be a so much nicer place to live in.

It's this same mentality that Trump has shown to the rest of the world in spades over the decades, he just shows it so much better these days. Would you actually do business with this guy? I know that I wouldn't.

BTW, thanks for getting Clyde to out himself there too, you have both made my day (you guys wound be so funny this wasn't so serious).

Good principles and morals seem to be sadly lacking in some these days. :-(

Cheers.

The crime is blackmail. Most everywhere a serious felony.

Does being able to get away with a felony make it less of a crime? Remember you are going to have to explain this one to Saint Peter, if you believe in heaven and hell.

As Wiggo has found out, most who have tendencies to get ahead no matter what, will deny even long after conviction that they are innocent and that everyone would have done the same thing. Reminds me almost of the defense one of the Manson women tried, she claimed she only stabbed the victims after others had already inflicted fatal wounds hence she was only guilty of mutilation of a corpse. The human mind is very capable of rationalizing even murder.

Diogenes wasn't successful in his quest. I doubt in the time since if he examined all who had reached adulthood he would have found one yet. I don't think Wiggo is saying he is better, however he is saying look in the mirror and ask yourself if the choices you espouse are those you really wish to espouse.

I also suspect there is a bit of politics going on. Not wanting to hear from a Socialist whom you might think of as immoral as they don't thump your good book, at least publicly. Well, your good book has a set of rules and that is fine. However your good book's rules only cover a few things that happen in life. If you discover those rules by yourself, you have a full system in place to guide you in every possible thing that you may encounter in life as you can put that situation into your system and get a result. Who is moral and ethical, those who self discover morals and ethics, or those who have no clue but simply follow some rules someone else wrote?

The answer to the above is neither. The only person who is moral and ethical follows the rules all the time; he hasn't been born yet.

Advising someone to blackmail because you can get away with it, is vile, immoral and unethical. It is no different that a businessman setting up a deal he knows will go belly up but he can run to bankruptcy court and get out of it with profits and stick someone else with debt, vile, immoral and unethical - even if legal - laws don't cover everything.

My reason for supporting Trump in the Election WAS the Supreme Court. Maintaining a balance or even shifting the majority to a Conservative bent was the prime objective which was accomplished with Gorsuch. Trump's personal foibles and faults were secondary in consideration on my part, as they were apparently, on the part of enough to win the election.

The opportunity to appoint such a large group of the Federal Judiciary across the country will go a long way to stopping the BS we see come out of the Federal Court in Hawaii and other venues where the snowflakes have fallen. The idea of 'Sanctuary Cities' is a wedge being driven by those who wish to divide the people in order to rule(Clinton, Obama, Schumer, Pelosi), as they have done for decades. The idea that repeatedly committing criminal acts and then being protected from the consequences by a local government is the path to disaster(as has already occurred in many instances, ie. Kate Steinle).

There are instances where deportation would be an unreasonable response to someone living here peacefully and productively contributing to American life, but these cases each need to be handled on an individual basis not blanket amnesty or deportation. Allowing those who engage in continuing criminal activity or gang life to be protected by local obstruction is wrong and only hurts the cause of those wishing to stay who have become upstanding members of those communities.

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My reason for supporting Trump in the Election WAS the Supreme Court. Maintaining a balance or even shifting the majority to a Conservative bent was the prime objective which was accomplished with Gorsuch. Trump's personal foibles and faults were secondary in consideration on my part, as they were apparently, on the part of enough to win the election.

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Time says Trump is 'incorrect' after president says he rejected Person of the Year overture.

I take it that more fake Time magazine covers will be stuck up on the walls on Trump property. LOL

What a loser.

Cheers.

Vote against all Republicans, and if the majority of the American Voters agree with you...

Gerrymandering often precludes that idealistic viewpoint.

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Vote against all Republicans, and if the majority of the American Voters agree with you...

Gerrymandering often precludes that idealistic viewpoint.

I'm surprised that haven't redrawn the districts on a household by household basis. If they win after they pack SCOTUS they will.

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The Bald Eagle seems not to like Trump either:)

At least that bird has some good sense. LOL

Cheers.

There' s a lot of old birds flapping their wings and taking a dump on their desks these days in DC.

Trump doin' what he was elected to do.......

Sometimes you just need to use a bigger hammer.

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There' s a lot of old birds flapping their wings and taking a dump on their desks these days in DC.

Trump doin' what he was elected to do.......

Sometimes you just need to use a bigger hammer.

Just what has he done, that, has or will improve the lives of US citizens?