AND also the 2nd one but it takes time to find it.

If when you open Boinc you see the first example, then in the menu bar at the top click, View, then Advanced View and you should see the normal version.

There your can see your tasks , the ones you are interested in just have "Running" in the Status column.

If you click on one of those does the "Show Graphics" button become active?

AND also the 2nd one but it takes time to find it.

If when you open Boinc you see the first example, then in the menu bar at the top click, View, then Advanced View and you should see the normal version.

There your can see your tasks , the ones you are interested in just have "Running" in the Status column.

If you click on one of those does the "Show Graphics" button become active?

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Sunday July 16 2017, 10:46 AM

YES YES YES !!!!
It does... Wow, neat. Never found that before. Now, if only the 1/2 size BOINC icon didnt rotate around, sometimes for hours, before "loading." :)

OH, OH ! A PROBLEM... I clicked on the Task Manger to see Advanced View and now I can't get BACK to my normal Task Manager screen. :( How to fix?

I found it, finally, and have what I started with.

Now if only BOINC would load all the time instead of circling for hours before displaying the 3 data screens plus the "noise box."

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River Song (aka Linda Latte on planet Earth)
"Happy I-Phone girl on the GO GO GO"

Regarding the newest version of Win 10, release 1703 15063.13 is not engaging the BOIC screensaver.
link at https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10
On three different PCs, after completing the hour+ long windows 10 update, BOINC does not start.
Can't get it to run even after reinstall of BOINC 7.6.33
Curious if others who have performed the same win upgrade have seen similar problems.

Same Problem

Regarding the newest version of Win 10, release 1703 15063.13 is not engaging the BOIC screensaver.
link at https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10
On three different PCs, after completing the hour+ long windows 10 update, BOINC does not start.
Can't get it to run even after reinstall of BOINC 7.6.33
Curious if others who have performed the same win upgrade have seen similar problems.

Same Problem

My install after M$ "up-graded" me to the "Creators Edition" has been bogus from day one. Then, when I installed the huge, very huge, "fix" for the BOINC Screensaver problem, it DID start working again, BUT, only intermittently. A smaller version of the BOINC icon will orbit my screen for hours, saying that it is "loading." Then, FINALLY, after hours of this nonsense it starts working properly and cycles thru all the screens including the very attractive "noise box." :) Then, strangely, on occasion, the screensaver DOES "load" immediately and will work for a while.

It surprises me that few who support SETI care at all about the beautiful screensaver. They think the "few cycles" it takes to run it are better used to crunch 10 year old data from Arecibo. I think by running the saver and having visitors to my house SEE it and want to run SETI at their homes contributes MORE to helping SETI in the long run than the non-screensaver Users do by saving their "precious cycles." :) IMHO, anyway. :)

I will get down off my soapbox now and prepare to be crucified by those who disagree. :( "Let them eat cake, she screamed!" and "Off with her head, they screamed back!" Hahah.

Common sense is a flower that doesn't grow in everyones garden. :)

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River Song (aka Linda Latte on planet Earth)
"Happy I-Phone girl on the GO GO GO"

Mujji wrote:

Same Problem

Solution already given: install update KB4020102, and if Windows Update doesn't have it, download and install from the Windows Update Catalog.

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Mujji wrote:

Same Problem

Solution already given: install update KB4020102, and if Windows Update doesn't have it, download and install from the Windows Update Catalog.

The "solution" is what I have, and it is only a partial "fix." I have been using the intermiitant "solution" for several weeks now.

But thank you for offering it! It does HELP, but is only a partial "FIX," unless the link you mention is a SECOND "fix," a VERY recent one? I do not memorize "KB" numbers too well. :)

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River Song (aka Linda Latte on planet Earth)
"Happy I-Phone girl on the GO GO GO"

I can confirm that update package KB4020102, released on May 26 fixes the problem.
It's interesting to note however that this update does NOT show up in Windows Update in Settings; you have to download it manually from the Microsoft Update Catalog.

Sad to say, but the update does NOT fix the BOINC Screensaver problem, however, it does HELP a lot.

Before this up-date the screensaver would NOT work at all. Now, with it, it DOES work, but only intermittently on my Win 10 64-bit 'Creators Edition.'

What happens is that a 1/2 sized BOINC icon slowly circles a black screen, sometimes for minutes and sometimes for hours. Below this orbiting icon it says "BOINC screensaver loading." This may, at times, stop after a few minutes and the 3 or 4 different BOINC data screens will pop up and cycle along with what I call the colorful "noise box." BUT, sometimes it does NOT "load" and I see the small icon circling or hours. As I said, the screensaver is intermittent.

Stay here on Earth. It's the only planet with DARK CHOCOLATE !!

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River Song (aka Linda Latte on planet Earth)
"Happy I-Phone girl on the GO GO GO"

What happens is that a 1/2 sized BOINC icon slowly circles a black screen, sometimes for minutes and sometimes for hours. Below this orbiting icon it says "BOINC screensaver loading." This may, at times, stop after a few minutes and the 3 or 4 different BOINC data screens will pop up and cycle along with what I call the colorful "noise box." BUT, sometimes it does NOT "load" and I see the small icon circling or hours. As I said, the screensaver is intermittent.

What Antivirus and Firewall do you use?

This is only for test:
! You may first disconnect the LAN cable from the computer to avoid new unknown files to come from Internet. (if on laptop - there should be a button to stop Wi-Fi)
Try to switch OFF Antivirus (Real-time protection) and the Firewall

Set BOINC screensaver at small delay (1 minute) and wait.

After test is done (was there any difference?):
Switch ON Antivirus (Real-time protection) and the Firewall
Connect the LAN cable

(I don't know if the Windows Defender Antivirus in Windows 10 and Microsoft Firewall can be switched Off and how (if possible only by 'Group Policy' - it's not for you))

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- ALF - "Find out what you don't do well ..... then don't do it!" :)
 

What happens is that a 1/2 sized BOINC icon slowly circles a black screen, sometimes for minutes and sometimes for hours. Below this orbiting icon it says "BOINC screensaver loading." This may, at times, stop after a few minutes and the 3 or 4 different BOINC data screens will pop up and cycle along with what I call the colorful "noise box." BUT, sometimes it does NOT "load" and I see the small icon circling or hours. As I said, the screensaver is intermittent.

What Antivirus and Firewall do you use?

Win 10 64-bit 'Creators Edition' with M$ Windows Defender AND MalwareBytes Premium
The two have worked together quite well w/o trying to shut each other off. If I had to make a choice between the protection these 2 offer, working together, OR a screensaver that works all the time instead of just part of the time, I'd have to put protection as #1.

MalwareBytes Premium offers an option to exclude certain folders from its activities. I put the BOINC folder on its 'Exclusion List,' but to no avail. :(

Also, altho I really can't, and don't want to, turn OFF the M$ Windows Defender, it DOES, like MalwareBytes Premium, allow you to EXCLUDE a folder, so I excluded BOINC also.

This is only for test:
! You may first disconnect the LAN cable from the computer to avoid new unknown files to come from Internet. (if on laptop - there should be a button to stop Wi-Fi)
Try to switch OFF Antivirus (Real-time protection) and the Firewall

There is no 'ON/OFF' for Windows Defender but their is one for MalwareBytes.

Set BOINC screensaver at small delay (1 minute) and wait.

I did...

After test is done (was there any difference?):
Switch ON Antivirus (Real-time protection) and the Firewall
Connect the LAN cable

No difference ;( Poopers !!

(I don't know if the Windows Defender Antivirus in Windows 10 and Microsoft Firewall can be switched Off and how (if possible only by 'Group Policy' - it's not for you))

No, it appears it cannot. Thank you for the good ideas!

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River Song (aka Linda Latte on planet Earth)
"Happy I-Phone girl on the GO GO GO"

Warning for everyone running Windows 10 and the screen saver. The next upgrade of windows 10 will do away with the screen savers. The Fall Creators Update will have screen saver functionality removed in themes in this release, deprecated in Group Policy, Control Panel and Sysprep but functional for the time being.

So when your screen save stops working in a near future, this ISN'T the fault of BOINC or Seti, but due to Microsoft stopping support for a screen saver by default. You will probably have to download a program or something from their store to have screen saver functionality then.

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Warning for everyone running Windows 10 and the screen saver. The next upgrade of windows 10 will do away with the screen savers. The Fall Creators Update will have screen saver functionality removed in themes in this release, deprecated in Group Policy, Control Panel and Sysprep but functional for the time being.

So when your screen save stops working in a near future, this ISN'T the fault of BOINC or Seti, but due to Microsoft stopping support for a screen saver by default. You will probably have to download a program or something from their store to have screen saver functionality then.

POOP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


POOP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


POOP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"You will probably have to download a program or something from their store to have screen saver functionality then."
Any ideas HOW to accomplish this?
Thank you!

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River Song (aka Linda Latte on planet Earth)
"Happy I-Phone girl on the GO GO GO"

Warning for everyone running Windows 10 and the screen saver. The next upgrade of windows 10 will do away with the screen savers. The Fall Creators Update will have screen saver functionality removed in themes in this release, deprecated in Group Policy, Control Panel and Sysprep but functional for the time being.

So when your screen save stops working in a near future, this ISN'T the fault of BOINC or Seti, but due to Microsoft stopping support for a screen saver by default. You will probably have to download a program or something from their store to have screen saver functionality then.

To be clear, it says that they are removing the screen saver functionality in Themes, but did not say if they were removing screen saver functionality altogether. Traditional screen saver functionality is found under Lock Screen settings instead. The post in the link you gave by user Ben Ramsay seems to confirm that screen savers are still there:

Ben Ramsay July 24, 2017 at 4:16 pm wrote:

On the build i have they have removed it from themes however it is now under lock screen, but will wait and see, as for ms paint I do use it on a regular basis and hope they will keep it or at least make a uwp version of it.

(Ben apparently doesn't know or acknowledge that the traditional screen saver has always been under Lock Screen settings as it is on my Creators Update as well as the previous Anniversary Update).

It wouldn't surprise me if they eventually remove screen savers but it looks like it's too soon to claim it will stop working in the next release.

Edited to add for clarity: SETI@home is a "traditional" screen saver and not a Themes screen saver, so it should continue working.

+1

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A proud member of the OFA (Old Farts Association).

I'm about to receive (next week) a desktop replacement-type laptop with Windows 10 (Home?) installed.

While I am not sure I will want to run Boinc/Seti on it permanently, I will be trying to expand my ability to support Win10 so I will be playing with it.

Here is hoping I don't have as much trouble as everyone has been talking about.

Tom

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A proud member of the OFA (Old Farts Association).

Here is hoping I don't have as much trouble as everyone has been talking about.

I haven't had any trouble with it. In fact, I rather think Windows 10 is one of Microsoft's best modern OSes yet, and I'm always excited to read about upcoming features being added into new releases. I also find that Windows 10 is far easier to deploy and manage in an Enterprise environment on 1000+ desktops and laptops.

Here is hoping I don't have as much trouble as everyone has been talking about.

I haven't had any trouble with it. In fact, I rather think Windows 10 is one of Microsoft's best modern OSes yet, and I'm always excited to read about upcoming features being added into new releases. I also find that Windows 10 is far easier to deploy and manage in an Enterprise environment on 1000+ desktops and laptops.

The really nice BOINC screensaver DOES work if you do what others have mentioned to make it operational after the big surprise from M$.

The ONLY THING THAT DOES NOT WORK, reliably, is the LOADING of the screen graphic's, all 4 or 5 pages of them, including the very colorful "noise" type graphic. What happens is that a 1/4 size BOINC image will appear much of the time, and slowly rotate around your screen. It will say "loading" sometimes for minutes, and sometimes many hours. So you always have IT, i.e., the 1/4 sized BOINC, but you do NOT always have the desired screen images. No one anywhere that I've seen, has acknowledged this failure of the screensaver or made any mention it will EVER be FIXED. No one seems to CARE.
And YES, I'm using the forced upon me Win 10 so-called' 'Developers Edition.' My Win 7 BOINC saver works FINE. It is Win 10 that is SCREWED up.

Good luck,

Stay here on Earth. It's the only planet with DARK CHOCOLATE !!

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River Song (aka Linda Latte on planet Earth)
"Happy I-Phone girl on the GO GO GO"

No one anywhere that I've seen, has acknowledged this failure of the screensaver or made any mention it will EVER be FIXED. No one seems to CARE.

Perhaps because people no longer use screensavers. They are really not required on today's modern flat-screens.

If I am working on my PC obviously no screensaver.

If I am not working on my PC screen off, simple as that.

I am afraid on these forums you will tend to find the addicted SETI@Home user trying to squeeze the last ounce of performance from their machines.

Do they care about the screensaver, I am afraid not. I do not consider myself in their class but I haven't run the screensaver in so long I couldn't tell you when.

Whilst it is very pretty, it doesn't in fact tell you much, as soon as the devotees realised that that were not about to see the WOW 2 signal on their PC screens they gave up watching.

Two of my machines don't even have screens!!

I suspect that before too long the screensaver functionality will be removed from Win 10 and you will have to buy an app to get it back,

Then you will be able to complain it does not work!!

Here is hoping I don't have as much trouble as everyone has been talking about.

I haven't had any trouble with it. In fact, I rather think Windows 10 is one of Microsoft's best modern OSes yet, and I'm always excited to read about upcoming features being added into new releases. I also find that Windows 10 is far easier to deploy and manage in an Enterprise environment on 1000+ desktops and laptops.

The really nice BOINC screensaver DOES work if you do what others have mentioned to make it operational after the big surprise from M$.

The ONLY THING THAT DOES NOT WORK, reliably, is the LOADING of the screen graphic's, all 4 or 5 pages of them, including the very colorful "noise" type graphic. What happens is that a 1/4 size BOINC image will appear much of the time, and slowly rotate around your screen. It will say "loading" sometimes for minutes, and sometimes many hours. So you always have IT, i.e., the 1/4 sized BOINC, but you do NOT always have the desired screen images. No one anywhere that I've seen, has acknowledged this failure of the screensaver or made any mention it will EVER be FIXED. No one seems to CARE.
And YES, I'm using the forced upon me Win 10 so-called' 'Developers Edition.' My Win 7 BOINC saver works FINE. It is Win 10 that is SCREWED up.

Good luck,

I'm not sure why you quoted me saying I manage Windows 10 in an enterprise environment, then proceed to re-explain the screen saver issue and complain about the lack of acknolwedgement of the problem. Are you waiting for me to acknowledge the problem?

I don't know of any major enterpise that uses the SETI@home screen saver. I can certainly say we don't use screen savers where I work, or in my last three jobs.

My skills are in IT Systems Administration. I specialize in writing scripts using Microsoft scripting languages (batch, VBScript, Powershell) to automate tasks on servers and client devices. I am not a software coder. I don't work for BOINC or SETI. I don't work for Microsoft.

What I can tell you is that every other screen saver still works with Windows 10, incuding my third-party The Matrix screen saver (which I downloaded sometime in 2002-2005), which means screen saver functionality still works correctly in Windows 10.

This suggests to me that the issue probably lies within either BOINC or SETI's code. I can tell you that the screen saver is largely an afterthought since, as Bernie says, no one uses it nor does it represent actual data processing. The software is open source so anyone with the time and skills can take a look and fix it if they're so inclined. (Again, I can't write software so I'm unable to do so.)

While I understand from your point of view, since it doesn't work it is effectively broken, the rest of the software development world has moved onto newer technologies. Saying that it works in Windows 7 but not Windows 10, then saying it is Windows 10 that is broken or at fault is a false conclusion. Software developers are responsible for testing their code against new Operating Systems. Since both BOINC and SETI@home are open source and freeware with little-to-no development happening, it probably isn't going to get fixed.

It's easy to point fingers, and it's especially easy when it's Microsoft since everyone loves to hate them. While Microsoft tries to ensure backwards compatibliity in their OS, as things move forward old software is bound to break.

I suspect that before too long the screensaver functionality will be removed from Win 10 and you will have to buy an app to get it back,

Why would they charge you for it? They are removing Paint but offering it for free in the Windows Store. Their goal is to modernize the OS, not nickel and dime users for features. They make all their money from enterprises anyway. It wouldn't make sense to charge end users more when all the money to be made is in business-to-business sales.

No one anywhere that I've seen, has acknowledged this failure of the screensaver or made any mention it will EVER be FIXED. No one seems to CARE.

Perhaps because people no longer use screensavers. They are really not required on today's modern flat-screens.

I think THAT is a matter of personal choice, isn't it? The BOINC screensaver is very attractive and visitors marvel at it. More than one now run SETI in order to use IT while they help SETI. The screensaver is an attention getter.

If I am working on my PC obviously no screensaver.

If I am not working on my PC screen off, simple as that.

This again is, or should be, a matter of personal choice, shouldn't it? My PC runs SETI 24/7 and I may or may not turn off the monitor, and that is my choice.

I am afraid on these forums you will tend to find the addicted SETI@Home user trying to squeeze the last ounce of performance from their machines.

Do they care about the screensaver, I am afraid not. I do not consider myself in their class but I haven't run the screensaver in so long I couldn't tell you when.

I think that is your choice, right?

Whilst it is very pretty, it doesn't in fact tell you much, as soon as the devotees realised that that were not about to see the WOW 2 signal on their PC screens they gave up watching.

So what? I suspect SOME devotees feel as you but it is equally likely others do not. :) Oh my, we're back to "choice" again. Bloody hell mucker! Ooops! :)

Two of my machines don't even have screens!!

I'm happy for you. You are noble by saving electricity for the benefit of all. :)

I suspect that before too long the screensaver functionality will be removed from Win 10 and you will have to buy an app to get it back,

The below is a cheap shot and doesn't deserve a response. No offense intended.

Then you will be able to complain it does not work!!

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River Song (aka Linda Latte on planet Earth)
"Happy I-Phone girl on the GO GO GO"