Are you not worried that your President is now the laughing stock of Sweden and other countries.

The People, not Washington, for good or bad. Have never really cared.

Why should they?

Because the US needs the rest of the civilised world and vice versa.

The Rest of the World at the moment, is at best, unsure of what he and the US are heading.
He insults countries and their people, he doesn't 'read' the news or believe the intelligence reports he is given, and would rather take opinion on cable TV as fact.
And he seems to believe Putin walks on water.

+1

Did they tell them Puerto Rico was a state?
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_PENCE_EU_AMERICAN_FLAG?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2017-02-20-13-15-10

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Did they tell them Puerto Rico was a state?
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_PENCE_EU_AMERICAN_FLAG?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2017-02-20-13-15-10

Well, Puerto Rico NEEDS to be a State (and therefore have a voice in the US Federal Government), in my opinion. After all, the people of Puerto Rico ARE US Citizens.

That said, the article did not mention Puerto Rico. After all, there are other US Territories that could become States. Also, there are at least two current States that have active movements to split into two States (California and Colorado). It does read as if the bureaucrat in the EU whose job it was to display the US flag made a mistake. Bureaucratic errors... par for the course. Nothing to see here.

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#Texit

Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.

It does read as if the bureaucrat in the EU whose job it was to display the US flag made a mistake. Bureaucratic errors... par for the course. Nothing to see here.

Where was the USA advance team? Plenty to see there.

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Continue to 'Instruct' the Waning Empire. Forgetting who will be the great future influence (possibly control) of Asia and Europe.

Unfortunately. These two Expanding Empires. Have no Foundation of Law.

Neither Europe nor Asia are empires, they are continents, comprised of many nations. What are the nations you believe to have expanding empires?

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Continue to 'Instruct' the Waning Empire. Forgetting who will be the great future influence (possibly control) of Asia and Europe.

Unfortunately. These two Expanding Empires. Have no Foundation of Law.

Neither Europe nor Asia are empires, they are continents, comprised of many nations. What are the nations you believe to have expanding empires?

Please bobby, stop playing the bot's game. Eliza is more interesting.

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Continue to 'Instruct' the Waning Empire. Forgetting who will be the great future influence (possibly control) of Asia and Europe.

Unfortunately. These two Expanding Empires. Have no Foundation of Law.

Neither Europe nor Asia are empires, they are continents, comprised of many nations. What are the nations you believe to have expanding empires?

Please bobby, stop playing the bot's game. Eliza is more interesting.

Gary...

Why would anyone believe "Forgetting who will be the great future influence (possibly control) of Asia and Europe". That the description "who" refers to a Continent?

Obviously Gary does.

Ok Gary... Instruction 101

"Who", refers to The Chinese Empire and Greater Russia.

"of" refers to Asia and Europe.

Clearly neither Gary nor I said that we believed the "who" referred to continents, why would you believe either of us did? The question asked was about the unnamed nations were you referring to (as you only mentioned continents previously), thanks for answering that, shame you stop there.

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Poor Clyde, can't even figure out what post by whom he is replying too. Reminds me of supporters of 45, alternative facts.

Time to route Clyde's stdin and stdout to http://www.manifestation.com/neurotoys/eliza.php3

>Hello, I am Eliza.
* hello my name is Clyde, but you can call me Bobby Sr.
> Oh... can call you Bobby Sr?
* Trump is dangerous
> What does that suggest to you?

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tRump to take money from jihadist Muslim country and host a terrorist recruitment party at his hotel.

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tRump to take money from jihadist Muslim country and host a terrorist recruitment party at his hotel.

Gary, you are just a part of the 'faux news channel'.
Please stop posting crap that only furthers your sick point of view.
It really is getting old.

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

Gary, you are just a part of the 'faux news channel'.

I think you just told all of us fox news channel is fake news.

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Gary, you are just a part of the 'faux news channel'.

I think you just told all of us fox news channel is fake news.

Gary...
Journalism today, is a Fraud.
Your attacking one Fake Side and not understanding that all are now Fake. To a different extent.
Is the problem with attempting to have a Real Discussion regarding Present Day Fraud Journalism.

President Trump's attacks on the media are the "best thing" to happen to New York Times subscriptions, the newspaper's editor says.
http://money.cnn.com/2017/02/26/media/new-york-times-editor-dean-baquet-subscriptions/

Gary, you are just a part of the 'faux news channel'.

I think you just told all of us fox news channel is fake news.

Gary...
Journalism today, is a Fraud.
Your attacking one Fake Side and not understanding that all are now Fake. To a different extent.
Is the problem with attempting to have a Real Discussion regarding Present Day Fraud Journalism.

President Trump's attacks on the media are the "best thing" to happen to New York Times subscriptions, the newspaper's editor says.
http://money.cnn.com/2017/02/26/media/new-york-times-editor-dean-baquet-subscriptions/

Perhaps those, like MK and CLYDE, who state that journalism is a fraud and/or dead, do not understand what journalism is, nor where to find it, instead they uncritically accept the pronouncements of others that have made the decision for them.

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Present Day Fraud Journalism.

There is no fraud. The duty is to the shareholder, not the reader. There is no journalism as long as the duty is to the shareholder not the reader. Hence there can be no journalism fraud.
Faux "opinion" is a prime example. It has no news and only prints, broadcasts, opinion. Outlets like Birtebart are totally invented just like supermarket tabloids were a couple decades ago.

You can still find a few that have a separation between reporting and opinion and the marketing department. tRump will give you a list, just look for a list of fake from him. Getting harder and harder to find them though, IQ's of American's are in decline as more and more creationism is taught as fact. American's no longer care for real reporting based on leaks from anonymous sources that start the investigative process and result in Watergates. Now they just want a juicy fiction story to entertain them while their master slips them into chains.

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Gary, you are just a part of the 'faux news channel'.

I think you just told all of us fox news channel is fake news.

Gary...
Journalism today, is a Fraud.
Your attacking one Fake Side and not understanding that all are now Fake. To a different extent.
Is the problem with attempting to have a Real Discussion regarding Present Day Fraud Journalism.

President Trump's attacks on the media are the "best thing" to happen to New York Times subscriptions, the newspaper's editor says.
http://money.cnn.com/2017/02/26/media/new-york-times-editor-dean-baquet-subscriptions/

Perhaps those, like MK and CLYDE, who state that journalism is a fraud and/or dead, do not understand what journalism is, nor where to find it, instead they uncritically accept the pronouncements of others that have made the decision for them.

Bobby,

I know what journalism is... And, NO, I do not 'uncritically accept the pronouncements of others' on the subject.

I have been watching the decline and demise of journalism over the past 50+ years.

I have linked here before the code of journalistic ethics of the American Society of News Editors. I will do it again...


http://asne.org/content.asp?contentid=171

ASNE Statement of Principles

PREAMBLE

The First Amendment, protecting freedom of expression from abridgment by any law, guarantees to the people through their press a constitutional right, and thereby places on news people a particular responsibility. Thus journalism demands of its practitioners not only industry and knowledge but also the pursuit of a standard of integrity proportionate to the journalist's singular obligation. To this end the American Society of News Editors sets forth this Statement of Principles as a standard encouraging the highest ethical and professional performance.

ARTICLE I - Responsibility

The primary purpose of gathering and distributing news and opinion is to serve the general welfare by informing the people and enabling them to make judgments on the issues of the time. Newsmen and women who abuse the power of their professional role for selfish motives or unworthy purposes are faithless to that public trust. The American press was made free not just to inform or just to serve as a forum for debate but also to bring an independent scrutiny to bear on the forces of power in the society, including the conduct of official power at all levels of government.

ARTICLE II - Freedom of the Press

Freedom of the press belongs to the people. It must be defended against encroachment or assault from any quarter, public or private. Journalists must be constantly alert to see that the public's business is conducted in public. They must be vigilant against all who would exploit the press for selfish purposes.

ARTICLE III - Independence

Journalists must avoid impropriety and the appearance of impropriety as well as any conflict of interest or the appearance of conflict. They should neither accept anything nor pursue any activity that might compromise or seem to compromise their integrity.

ARTICLE IV - Truth and Accuracy

Good faith with the reader is the foundation of good journalism. Every effort must be made to assure that the news content is accurate, free from bias and in context, and that all sides are presented fairly. Editorials, analytical articles and commentary should be held to the same standards of accuracy with respect to facts as news reports. Significant errors of fact, as well as errors of omission, should be corrected promptly and prominently.

ARTICLE V - Impartiality

To be impartial does not require the press to be unquestioning or to refrain from editorial expression. Sound practice, however, demands a clear distinction for the reader between news reports and opinion. Articles that contain opinion or personal interpretation should be clearly identified.

ARTICLE VI - Fair Play

Journalists should respect the rights of people involved in the news, observe the common standards of decency and stand accountable to the public for the fairness and accuracy of their news reports. Persons publicly accused should be given the earliest opportunity to respond. Pledges of confidentiality to news sources must be honored at all costs, and therefore should not be given lightly. Unless there is clear and pressing need to maintain confidences, sources of information should be identified.

These principles are intended to preserve, protect and strengthen the bond of trust and respect between American journalists and the American people, a bond that is essential to sustain the grant of freedom entrusted to both by the nation's founders.

As Clyde said, I call it ALL 'fake' (not to be trusted), not just the outlets that I disagree with, but ALL of it.

Why?

Well, the business of news has changed over the last 50+ years -- GREATLY changed. It has gone from an institution of public service to just another business -- all about the 'bottom line'.

Between their own editorial bias, and their own marketing departments, they all violate their own code of ethics.

<opinion> The decline started with Cable TV News channels and other forms of electronic news distribution to the public... That turned journalism into entertainment. </opinion>

But, if you want to believe (with an almost religious faith, it seems) in the veracity and truthfulness of current News media outlets, so be it. Nothing I can say or do is likely to change your mind. You do have the right to believe this way. But, to me, they have ALL violated the trust and respect we have placed in them.

Have a nice day, Bobby, and be well.

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#Texit

Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.

...It has gone from an institution of public service to just another business -- all about the 'bottom line'.

*This* is why I am against privatization of any public service.
*This* is why I prefer public media outlets and wish there were more of them.
*This* is why I am against DeVos, and privatization of schools, and for-profit education.
*This* is why I am against private prisons.
*This* is why I want healthcare (insurance) to be a public service and not a business.
*This* is why I feel regulations are important to protect our society.
*This* is my problem with unregulated capitalism.

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#resist

Between their own editorial bias, and their own marketing departments, they all violate their own code of ethics.

That is a vile slander. They follow their ethics precisely. Oh wait, you are confused about which code of ethics they follow. The code of ethics for every public company is "The fiduciary duty to the shareholder." If there is some other, it only comes after the shareholder's profits are maximized. Now, go call a constitutional convention and change that; make America the world leader in the abolishment of lawyer written ethics.

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CLYDE wrote:

Journalism today, is a Fraud.

Bobby Sr. to bobby...

It is the Left/Right Wing Ideologues. Who attack those, like me and MK for being skeptical of ALL. Including those we agree with.

bobby... You are describing yourself.

Wonderful to watch The Left's demise.

The earlier quote from you is not "skeptical" in nature, it is a definitive statement of fact.

What has the demise of "The Left" to do with anything anybody other than you posts here?

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

But, if you want to believe (with an almost religious faith, it seems) in the veracity and truthfulness of current News media outlets, so be it. Nothing I can say or do is likely to change your mind. You do have the right to believe this way. But, to me, they have ALL violated the trust and respect we have placed in them.

It's not my claim that it's all dead or all fraud, it's my claim that we don't have sufficient evidence to reach that conclusion. It terms of belief akin to religious versus healthy skepticism, I'd argue that my view is closer to the latter, and CLYDE's and yours are potentially closer to the former. You appear to believe that you have sufficient evidence for your conclusion, which is fine, though what you've presented on these boards has not convinced me of your view.

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Between their own editorial bias, and their own marketing departments, they all violate their own code of ethics.

That is a vile slander. They follow their ethics precisely. Oh wait, you are confused about which code of ethics they follow. The code of ethics for every public company is "The fiduciary duty to the shareholder." If there is some other, it only comes after the shareholder's profits are maximized. Now, go call a constitutional convention and change that; make America the world leader in the abolishment of lawyer written ethics.

Some news media organizations are not companies and thus do not have shareholders.

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...